News: Report: Randle was gambling on sports before Cowboys release

FuzzyLumpkins

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And the hits keep on coming. This should finally put to rest the RKG rhetoric that some lapped up like gospel.

Doing dumb off the field stuff that keeps you from contributing on the field is the very definition of a Wrong King of Guy. Yet there are several WKG that have infiltrated Garrett's roster.

Source: http://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/blue-star/Jerry-Garrett-Has-Final-Say-On-Personnel-113220169.html

Your filling in the blanks with blamecasting and not facts.

Garrett has said repeatedly that the choir boy interpretation is wrong and then goes and describes the traits he wants. No vice has yet to be mentioned. He talks about effort, enthusiasm, dedication, and love for the game and despite what people think, vice is not mutually exclusive with that. He also talks about how when they get here it's a blank slate and they are judged on what they do here. Now if you participate in vice excessively to the point where it begins to interfere while you are there. . .

He did get cut.

Athletes betting on sports is nothing new and as long as it's not your own sport it's not a problem. Vices get turned into crimes and crimes get turned into eternal damnation when pro athletes are involved.
 

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Along with Manziel these two are living close to having there lives end prematurely. So sad as they need serios help and if they don't see it , they won't be around soon
 

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And you base that on what?

Underwood and Spellman didn't melt down after being found on the streets of Chicago delusional.
Deion minded his manners.
TO melted down a bit but not as hard as at Philly and SF and that was mostly in the aftermath after he was let go.
Pacman started the road of turning his career around here altercation with Wells or not.
Tank Johnson had no issues.
Willie Blade was a weirdo and didn't do anything.
Haley was kept under wraps.
For all of what the media portrayed him as Hardy never made the police blotter.
Dez has grown up in front of our eyes.
Randy Gregory seems focused and committed.

Sure you have Brent and Randle but compare the track record of success despite all the risk taking and all the things we see going around the league elsewhere and I find I like Drew Hill's program.


We're defining success differently. I'm talking about success from the team's perspective. Calvin Hill has probably made some strides in getting those players righted off the field, but most of those players never developed meaningful careers here. The team also decided to let go, or not re-sign, many of those players because simply couldn't get it together well enough to justify their presence.

Deion was never considered a trouble maker, other than wanting a lot of cash and wanting to play two sports. Haley, by his own admission, didn't turn himself around until well after his career was done and it was his ex-wife who pointed him in the right direction. He was still a good pickup, obviously, but he was a pro bowler before he came here. Seifert has admitted he never should have let him go. But most, if not all, of his career pre-dated Hill anyway. TO was always a high performing player who had trouble with authority figures (various QB's and coaches, but mostly QB's). Tony is probably one of the most easy going guys in the NFL, and TO still found ways to have issues with him. He didn't get in major trouble with any team including this one; he was just a drama queen. However, being a drama queen led to the same ending here that he had elsewhere.

Most of those other players never became consistent, focused contributors here. Pac Man was gone after one dismal season. His acquisition wasn't a success for this team. Maybe he benefited from whatever counseling he got here, but some of that improvement could also be expected with age. Tank stayed out of jail but was never a consistent contributor here. Underwood and Spellman were also inconsistent, and actually one of them did melt down after joining the team, though it may have been shortly after they were let go. McClain? After his career was near an end, he ramped up his effort and then...? It's hard to tell with him. We also had a guy begin a career selling weed while he was here, even though he was caught elsewhere. If the rumors are true about the team letting Hardy go due to issues with the coaching staff, then that's another attempt that didn't really pan out. That's another guy who's gone after a year due to off the field issues, and it's not like he was a regular contributor to the police blotter during a much longer stint in Carolina. Other than Dez, the only guys who contributed much on the field were the guys who had already established themselves as pro bowlers before coming here. They already had the drive and focus necessary to play at a high level in this league.

Most teams would look at that history and say, ok, if a guy is an all pro already, then it's probably worth it to sign him and work with him, but otherwise we're unlikely to reap much from signing guys who have trouble staying focused or out of trouble.
 

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I know it's easy on this board to rag on this kid for a wasted opportunity given his physical gifts, and on our staff for trusting him as the starting RB, but it sounds more and more like he has some real mental issues (bipolar, paranoia, etc) that didn't come to the surface until the recent past.

I am far from a mental health professional, but he seems like someone who needs real support and it's going beyond a football story. I hope someone who is close to him gets this kid some help before he's a lost cause as a human.

I think its nothing more than just pure stupidity. You can't fix that.
 

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So if you're in the nfl you not allowed to bet on other sports like the nba?
 

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I agree w/your sentiment but think about it:
Numerous NFL owners have started huge NFL gambling websites poised to rank in hundreds of millions of dollars. They are encouraging gambling on the sport... soliciting it.

I'm not hardcore against gambling...but I'm hardcore against the league promoting it....engaging in it. It breeds corruption in all kinds of ways...and takes advantage of lots of fans who have no self-control

And people wonder why the rules are all murky now and why the officiating is so off-the-charts bad. Connect the dots. The league has become sleazy city.

Talk about greasy:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13974122/jerry-jones-dallas-cowboys-defends-investment-draftkings

I think you make a good point however there is a difference at least in my mind of investing in websites that promote gambling and a player, coach or owner actually gambling on the games themselves.
 

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Your filling in the blanks with blamecasting and not facts.

Garrett has said repeatedly that the choir boy interpretation is wrong and then goes and describes the traits he wants. No vice has yet to be mentioned. He talks about effort, enthusiasm, dedication, and love for the game and despite what people think, vice is not mutually exclusive with that. He also talks about how when they get here it's a blank slate and they are judged on what they do here. Now if you participate in vice excessively to the point where it begins to interfere while you are there. . .

He did get cut.

Athletes betting on sports is nothing new and as long as it's not your own sport it's not a problem. Vices get turned into crimes and crimes get turned into eternal damnation when pro athletes are involved.

I said nothing about being a choir boy. I think I have a pretty good handle on what he means by RKG, as I think you do also. My suggestion, I think Garrett would agree, is that "love for the game," entails not doing anything (off the field) that would jeopardize you being there for your teammates on Sunday.

If you pay attention to what I said, you will see that we don't disagree on this point at all. Perhaps you don't like my tone or you don't like the conclusions I have drawn (I get that's what you mean by "blame-casting"). But that really is about it.

Ultimately, I agree with the so-called RKG approach. Its not a novel concept. Its not something Garrett created. What I question is that if Garrett really had ultimate say (as Jerry said, there wouldn't be anyone on the roster Garrett didn't agree with) would we have the likes of Randle on the team? I really don't think so. As such, I am seriously questioning this promise made by Jerry at the Press Conference introducing Jason as the next HC:

“But it's been talked about a lot. And as to a player on the roster, I wanted to be real clear that as far as we operate, I'm not going to put a player on this roster that Jason doesn't want on the roster. That's it."

Source: http://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/blue-star/Jerry-Garrett-Has-Final-Say-On-Personnel-113220169.html
 

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So if you're in the nfl you not allowed to bet on other sports like the nba?

Nope, here's why.

Let's say you're down big to bookies, and you need to make up ground quick. (Any gambler knows that feeling; that's why Monday night games have such a heavy betting load on them.)

Randle happens to fumble at key moments to make sure he can get even with his bookies.

See?
 

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We're defining success differently. I'm talking about success from the team's perspective. Calvin Hill has probably made some strides in getting those players righted off the field, but most of those players never developed meaningful careers here. The team also decided to let go, or not re-sign, many of those players because simply couldn't get it together well enough to justify their presence.

Deion was never considered a trouble maker, other than wanting a lot of cash and wanting to play two sports. Haley, by his own admission, didn't turn himself around until well after his career was done and it was his ex-wife who pointed him in the right direction. He was still a good pickup, obviously, but he was a pro bowler before he came here. Seifert has admitted he never should have let him go. But most, if not all, of his career pre-dated Hill anyway. TO was always a high performing player who had trouble with authority figures (various QB's and coaches, but mostly QB's). Tony is probably one of the most easy going guys in the NFL, and TO still found ways to have issues with him. He didn't get in major trouble with any team including this one; he was just a drama queen. However, being a drama queen led to the same ending here that he had elsewhere.

Most of those other players never became consistent, focused contributors here. Pac Man was gone after one dismal season. His acquisition wasn't a success for this team. Maybe he benefited from whatever counseling he got here, but some of that improvement could also be expected with age. Tank stayed out of jail but was never a consistent contributor here. Underwood and Spellman were also inconsistent, and actually one of them did melt down after joining the team, though it may have been shortly after they were let go. McClain? After his career was near an end, he ramped up his effort and then...? It's hard to tell with him. We also had a guy begin a career selling weed while he was here, even though he was caught elsewhere. If the rumors are true about the team letting Hardy go due to issues with the coaching staff, then that's another attempt that didn't really pan out. That's another guy who's gone after a year due to off the field issues, and it's not like he was a regular contributor to the police blotter during a much longer stint in Carolina. Other than Dez, the only guys who contributed much on the field were the guys who had already established themselves as pro bowlers before coming here. They already had the drive and focus necessary to play at a high level in this league.

Most teams would look at that history and say, ok, if a guy is an all pro already, then it's probably worth it to sign him and work with him, but otherwise we're unlikely to reap much from signing guys who have trouble staying focused or out of trouble.

The two notions are not mutually exclusive. If they melt down they cannot have any success at all in the NFL.

Fact is that most teams do not have anything similar to what the Cowboys have with Calvin Hill's program and don't even try to work with troubled players. I don't see how you can say other teams have similar success when outside of Cincinnati and to a lesser extent St' Louis, other teams release them as a matter of course.
 

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Right now, you could tell me Randle paints himself purple and barks at the full moon and I would believe it.

The man has got to be one of stupidest individuals to have ever worn a Dallas uniform.

Perhaps.

But he's right. All the DMN is doing is rumor mongering. It's a poor job of presenting some evidence that Randle was gambling on sports.

I am certainly no Randle fan and I wanted him cut after he was arrested. But, it doesn't excuse Brandon George's unprofessionalism and unethical behavior. I'm sure if I were to start something up on the internet that George cheats on his wife and has a child with another woman and that I heard that from 'sources', there may be some people that know George that would believe me. And I don't think George would take too kindly to me doing that.

The golden rule doesn't really work with the media.







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I've met a dozen Jo Randles..trust me this guy doesn't have mental issues. Him and Manziel are two sides of the same coin, two degenerates. One just so happens to come from wealth.
 

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I know it's easy on this board to rag on this kid for a wasted opportunity given his physical gifts, and on our staff for trusting him as the starting RB, but it sounds more and more like he has some real mental issues (bipolar, paranoia, etc) that didn't come to the surface until the recent past.

I am far from a mental health professional, but he seems like someone who needs real support and it's going beyond a football story. I hope someone who is close to him gets this kid some help before he's a lost cause as a human.

He is likely a gambling addict too. Every bit as damaging and life threatening as a drug or alcohol problem.

Symptoms:
Stealing (to cover losses or provide basic needs since money was lost gambling)
Anger (getting into fights with casino personnel/cops after losing; domestic violence)
Substance abuse (goes hand in hand with lack of impulse control and escape)

Randle needs serious help.
 
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