Reviewed the game - player analysis

Wall kind of reminds me of Mike jenkins his rookie year but alittle more physical i like the aggressiveness and maybe in a year or two he will turn out to be a ball hawking corner that we need to force turnovers or even at best a 3rd corner considering he was a late round draft pick.

Lets not forget how awful jenkins was when he first started playing:cool:
 
jswalker1981;3491448 said:
I actually liked how McGee played. If the rush was getting in, instead of just sitting there trying to make a play that isn't there, a la Bledsoe, he moved out of the pocket, and threw the ball away if nothing materialized. Most young QBs just try to force the ball into a hole that doesn't exist. I would like the line to block better to see how he does with time.

I agree with your thoughts. The best thing about McGee's performance was his judgment and poise under duress. He still needs to work on getting the ball out more quickly but hopefully that comes with experience.
 
nyc;3491410 said:
Won't happen. Bowen is smaller and doesn't hold up against the run as well. Teams are more likely to run to Spears side due to line strength. This is why Hatcher backs up Spears and not Bowen. Bowen is the better pass rusher than Hatcher, Hatcher is stronger against the run than Bowen.

I agree. I like Bowen for what he does ... bring fresh legs to the nickel pass rush as a 3 tech and a pocket collapser for 3rd down situations. I don't see any reason to make him a 45-60 snap player. He's not going to be any better than Spears or Igor against the run and it's just going to run him down and take away his legs for pass rush situations. Leon Lett was a great situational inside pass rusher, when you tried to make him an every down starter he wasn't nearly as good. It's a nice situation to have enough depth to do this kind of thing ... I don't know why people think we have to fix something that isn't broken.
 
Wood;3490544 said:
Brewster

Beat cleanly to outside by Frostee Rucker (#92) on his first play …Alex Barron was also beat and his guy caused kitna to fumble the ball.

On that play at the 1:27 mark of the first qtr.

Rucker was clearly pushed pass the pocket. It was a win for Brewster.

Now Barron did get beat but Kitna should of been able to step up in the pocket. The ball seems to just slip out of his hands for no reason. Kitna's right arm was never touched. And at that point (when the ball came out) Barron's man was on the ground so better ball security by Kitna would of allowed him to make a throw if somebody was open.

Wood;3490544 said:
Brewster playing LT…fell down on running play matched up against Pat Sims (#90)

This play is at the 9:57 mark of the 2nd QTR.

You describe it as Brewster falling down on a running play. To me this was one of his best plays it showed his quickness and agility. At the snap Pat Sims takes a HARD inside charge straight down the LOS, but Brewster is able to adjust and move down the line to get a body on him.... To me that was A: a good read and move by Pat Sims B: an even better adjustment and pick up by Brewster.

Wood;3490544 said:
On next play Brewster failed to pick up stunt with defensive player getting in McGee face.

This play is at the 9:20 Mark of the 2nd QTR.

Brewster like he was suppose to kicks steps back at the snap there is nothing he can do about a Defensive player not engaging him off the ball when pass protecting.

His man stunted like you said inside trying to go around the guard and down the middle. The Tackle, Guard and Center need to work better at picking those stunts up. Brewster did try to slid over but before he can get over Mike Tepper is beat by his man and the defender has McGee in his sights while Brewster's man was caught up in the wash. The play ends with Brewster chasing Tepper's man from behind. Tepper and Brewster should handled that better as a tandem. Not a good play for Brewster.

Wood;3490544 said:
On next play…Brewster picks up wrong guy (picks up the blitzing linebacker – who Choice should be picking up) allowing DE Michael Johnson (#93) to get a easy sack. Choice gives Brewster some words after the play.

This play is at the 7:56 mark of the 2nd QTR.

It's hard to say what went wrong on this play without knowing what the blocking call was. But for sure Brewster was not trying to pick up the DE on his outside as though it was not his responsibility and Choice did seem to say it was for him to pick up after the play. That said if you watch before the snap you will see McGee pointing out the MO (the blitzer) before the snap saying something. I don't know who was wrong could be either mans fault (Brewster or Choice) but one thing is for sure the team needs to work with the young guys on there blitz pick up in the coming weeks.

Again this play even if it was on Brewster was not a physical mistake it would have to be marked as a mental one and those are fixed with experience. I here people talking about how slow and fat he is but he did not play that way Sunday.

Wood;3490544 said:
Failed to get his hands on DE Johnson who stunted inside and hit McGee as he tried to scamble.

2:58 Mark of the 2nd QTR. This was simply an amazing move by Johnson. At the snap Brewster kick steps backwards and is in perfect position to pass block. In the mean time Scott Sicko who is lined up in the backfield appears to be setting up to chip him before getting into his pass rout. Like something out of the Matrix LB Johnson see this, stops on a dime before engaging Brewster and sprints around the guard to get in on the play late.

The way he stopped and changed direction reminded me of Reggie Bush's run in the Rose Bowl where he pumped his breaks stopped on a dime and changed direction. I am impressed that Brewster kept his balance and didn't break his ankles.

That was just one heck of a play by Johnson, not many LT's in the HOF could have done anything about that play. By the time Johnson got to McGee however he was already getting sacked by Geno Atkins.

Wood;3490544 said:
Brewster is kind of opposite of Barron in that he has good base…but once defender forces him to go right or left he ends up reaching for defender because he lacks lateral quickness due to his weight distribution…notice I didn’t say size because Brewster is listed at 320 (same weight as Free who is 2 inches taller)…it just that too much of Brewster weight is in his belly..which really affects his ability to move laterally.

Brewster plays almost the whole game and by my count that is 3 plays that Brewster didn't play perfectly. And one of those is questionable, but because Choice seems to think it was his mistake I'll go with the veteran RB.

My thing is none of those plays show a lack of lateral quickness. Or Brewster coming out of his stance slowly. None of the sub par plays were a result of him not having the physical tools a good Tackle should have.

Brewster was not getting beat around the edge. They had to stunt away from him to get pressure. Picking up those stunts comes with experience.... you find a guard that works well in tandem with him and those stunts get picked up all day. The team must of made some adjustments because the stunts were picked up much better in the 2nd half.

Brewster had a good game and looks like a good prospect at tackle or guard IMO. I have watched all of his snaps at least 6 times now and I'm still pleased with his play.
 
jblaze2004;3491563 said:
Wall kind of reminds me of Mike jenkins his rookie year but alittle more physical i like the aggressiveness and maybe in a year or two he will turn out to be a ball hawking corner that we need to force turnovers or even at best a 3rd corner considering he was a late round draft pick.

Lets not forget how awful jenkins was when he first started playing:cool:


Wall could turn out to be a solid CB but he dose not have the physical tools Jenkins has in terms of Speed, Agility and Quickness.

I think we can cut him some slack though like you said Jenkins didn't light the world on fire as a rookie.
 
nyc;3491410 said:
Won't happen. Bowen is smaller and doesn't hold up against the run as well. Teams are more likely to run to Spears side due to line strength. This is why Hatcher backs up Spears and not Bowen. Bowen is the better pass rusher than Hatcher, Hatcher is stronger against the run than Bowen.

Bowen would be more likely to replace Igor than Spears. Considering Wade's love affair with run stuffing and the fact that Igor is probably the best run stopper on the team, I doubt that happens except on passing downs.

That's not necessarily true, i.e. that smaller = worse against the run.

Look at Ratliff.

Wade, like Jimmy Johnson prefers fast guys to blocks of stone.

Size can be more than compensated for by quickness and leverage.

Now I'm not saying that Bowen is equal of Spears as a run stuffer, but considering the percentage of pass vs run in the NFL,the team could be losing a little by playing Bowen instead of Spears vs the run, but could be gaining much more vs the pass.

Spears is just a horrible pass rusher.
 
APLUZ are you Brewsters nephew or something? The guy was not all that good; and your nitpicking of the plays outlined are not close to convincing. The guy has potential but is a long way from being something.
 
burmafrd;3491740 said:
APLUZ are you Brewsters nephew or something? The guy was not all that good; and your nitpicking of the plays outlined are not close to convincing. The guy has potential but is a long way from being something.


Not trying to convince anyone I called them like I saw them. If you have a different take on those plays I'm all ears.

Bottom line there must be a reason why a lot of people felt Brewster played poorly...I'm thinking it's just perception same as the case of Free vs the Vikes. He had some up's and downs but overall he played good IMO.
 
My 2 cents from partial game watching.

1. Brent is going to be a beast. One play he almost pushed the guard (or center?) seven yards back into the QB, who barely got the ball off or else it would have been an embarrassing sack. It was like he was pushing the blocking sled, not much resistance. I wrote that Brent would be redshirted this season before I saw him, but it looks like I'm an idiot and this guy's going to be a real find.

2. Hurd, like RW, can't pull in high-thrown passes that he gets a hand on. Another pass to Hurd's knees was dropped that he had a bead on. Neither RW or Hurd has good hand-to-eye. ... But Dez has freaky hand-to-eye and will snatch every pass in his area code.

3. McGee needs to take something off his short throws. Even Ogletree couldn't snatch one of those bullets. I'm still waiting to see McGee throw something vertical - downfield to a receiver on the move - this was Matt Moore's strength and it's something pretty damn hard to find (yeah I need to let that go ...) . McGee has nice touch on sideline routes though.

4. Church almost had an INT on a deflection, it was bang-bang but catchable. It would interesting if McCray and Church both make the team.

5. Hudgins caught an out route and was chipped by a DB to knock him down or out of bounds. Another DB did the same a half-second later. Hudgins just kind of spun around each time and let his momentum carry him out of bounds. Neither DB really fazed him. He's strong and got great balance, good hands too it looks like. I'm not sure those are enough to overcome his below-average speed.

I devalue my 2 cents to 1 cent. I wish Blackie Sherrod was still writing those columns. They were funny.
 
1. Brent is going to be a beast. One play he almost pushed the guard (or center?) seven yards back into the QB, who barely got the ball off or else it would have been an embarrassing sack. It was like he was pushing the blocking sled, not much resistance. I wrote that Brent would be redshirted this season before I saw him, but it looks like I'm an idiot and this guy's going to be a real find.
I think I know the exact play you're talking about, igt... Unless Brent did it more than once. But yeah, he had his man on roller skates. And I liked the energy and enthusiasm he showed out there, too. I'm still amazed he can do anything at all coming in so late with no conditioning and no knowledge of the defense until a week before camp. He could really be something next year after a whole year with Juraszek.

And just because I've been looking for an excuse to post it...

[youtube]bZvPLg1S5NE[/youtube]

It's old-school and just plain cool for a NT to be a good shotputter, which Brent was. Got to have not just strength, but quickness as well. And he's not a fat, sloppy guy here, either, which is a good sign that he can get in much better condition.
 
nyc;3491410 said:
Won't happen. Bowen is smaller and doesn't hold up against the run as well. Teams are more likely to run to Spears side due to line strength. This is why Hatcher backs up Spears and not Bowen. Bowen is the better pass rusher than Hatcher, Hatcher is stronger against the run than Bowen.

Bowen would be more likely to replace Igor than Spears. Considering Wade's love affair with run stuffing and the fact that Igor is probably the best run stopper on the team, I doubt that happens except on passing downs.

Bowen is listed at 306 and Spears at 311. Bowen is listed one inch taller than Spears. Size isn't an issue between these two. May the best player win the starting position and I don't care which one it is. I just want both to play great.
 
windjc;3490423 said:
There are definitely some Wall apologists on this forum. Probably the Texas connection.

However, I like for my cornerbacks to be invisible - like Cletis Gordan.

Your right. That player was completely invisible cause theres no player with that name on this team. :rolleyes:

Wall played decent, and he's only going to get better.
 
ninja;3490393 said:
Wall?

Other than his pathetic attempt at tackling Shipley on the punt return, his pathetic attempt to cover Matt Jones numerous times, and his horrible coverage of WR Simpson which would have been a TD if not for an overthrown ball.

Other than that Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?

agreed about wall.
 
igtmfo;3491767 said:
My 2 cents from partial game watching.

1. Brent is going to be a beast. One play he almost pushed the guard (or center?) seven yards back into the QB, who barely got the ball off or else it would have been an embarrassing sack. It was like he was pushing the blocking sled, not much resistance. I wrote that Brent would be redshirted this season before I saw him, but it looks like I'm an idiot and this guy's going to be a real find.

2. Hurd, like RW, can't pull in high-thrown passes that he gets a hand on. Another pass to Hurd's knees was dropped that he had a bead on. Neither RW or Hurd has good hand-to-eye. ... But Dez has freaky hand-to-eye and will snatch every pass in his area code.

3. McGee needs to take something off his short throws. Even Ogletree couldn't snatch one of those bullets. I'm still waiting to see McGee throw something vertical - downfield to a receiver on the move - this was Matt Moore's strength and it's something pretty damn hard to find (yeah I need to let that go ...) . McGee has nice touch on sideline routes though.

4. Church almost had an INT on a deflection, it was bang-bang but catchable. It would interesting if McCray and Church both make the team.

5. Hudgins caught an out route and was chipped by a DB to knock him down or out of bounds. Another DB did the same a half-second later. Hudgins just kind of spun around each time and let his momentum carry him out of bounds. Neither DB really fazed him. He's strong and got great balance, good hands too it looks like. I'm not sure those are enough to overcome his below-average speed.

I devalue my 2 cents to 1 cent. I wish Blackie Sherrod was still writing those columns. They were funny.

keep brent, cut saivii, dude sux:cool:
 
Dawgs0916;3491814 said:
Your right. That player was completely invisible cause theres no player with that name on this team. :rolleyes:

Wall played decent, and he's only going to get better.


You have to admit he played terrible. Not decent.

He got burned by Simpson, thankfully they overthrew the pass. He was a good 3 steps behind him.

Gave up multiple catches to Matt Jones, and then whiffed on the big punt return that ended up resulting in a TD.
 
Muhast;3492071 said:
You have to admit he played terrible. Not decent.

He got burned by Simpson, thankfully they overthrew the pass. He was a good 3 steps behind him.

Gave up multiple catches to Matt Jones, and then whiffed on the big punt return that ended up resulting in a TD.

He didn't have a good game, no...but I did see him playing physically, which is a good sign.

But he's going to improve. And im willing to bet he turns out better than the other rookie DB's...
 
Dawgs0916;3492078 said:
He didn't have a good game, no...but I did see him playing physically, which is a good sign.

But he's going to improve. And im willing to bet he turns out better than the other rookie DB's...

You don't find it bad that he was outplayed by a CB who hasn't played football in 5 years?
 
Dawgs0916;3492185 said:
Now your just exagerating

I think after that game, you could make a pretty fair argument that Williams was better last game.

I completely understand that it is pre-season. He has 4 more games to win the coaches over. He was getting a ton of hype during TC, but he didn't make any great plays, and did make some pretty costly bad ones.
 
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