Rewatching game...

[JonCJG]

Ware and Canty are beasts!

 

[Stautner]

Ware and Canty are beasts!

Huh?

While I admit they played well - particularly early in the game - they weren't exactly dominating.

 

[JonCJG]

Just started, in the 1st they are beating blocks and making plays in the backfield.

 

[JonCJG]

Looking ups stats...... not pretty.

RW 3 tackles?
Ware 5 (Shanle had 6)

Witten 3 catch, 33 yards?
Fasano zero catches zero yards
Barber 3 att 13 yards

 

[tyke1doe]

Ware is obviously a very talented player and is well-rounded (he definitely knows how to shut down the run and re-route WR).

But he's still arriving a fraction too late on his sacks. Several times he was "almost" there in terms of a sack.

The other thing I fear is that he's so fast, he doesn't have time to employ any other move than a speed rush. You really can't spin if you're going 70 mph headed toward the QB. You almost have to take something off right when you get there in order to spin and not fall flat on your face.

 

[JonCJG]

I think the rain hurt his game the most, and am surprised that as fast as he gets going, he didn't slip more.

But you are right, yesterday he was a fraction of a second too slow. He takes such a wide angle, many times he got a hand on Leftwich, only to have him just step up a bit and miss out on a sack.

 

[Stautner]

I think the rain hurt his game the most, and am surprised that as fast as he gets going, he didn't slip more.

But you are right, yesterday he was a fraction of a second too slow. He takes such a wide angle, many times he got a hand on Leftwich, only to have him just step up a bit and miss out on a sack.

That was his story most of last year.

I've seen evidence that he is working on that, but he's not quite there yet.

 

[JonCJG]

Damn so far (first half) Rivera looks every bit the 34 years old he is. Missing blocks in space that could have sprung JJ and getting pushed around too often. Just gave up a sack to a backup DT.

 

[jbsg02]

we could have had Devin Hester instead of Fasano in the 2nd and spent our 4th rounder on a TE

 

[JonCJG]

Fasano is a starter. He will improve.

Hester would not have been a starter.

Good pick and value in the second round.

 

[BlueStar22]

we could have had Devin Hester instead of Fasano in the 2nd and spent our 4th rounder on a TE

why do people always talk about who we could've had? Did we need Hester? Uh, no.

 

[jbsg02]

if you value a kick and punt returner then why not spend it on a player as electrifying as hester

 

[jbsg02]

why do people always talk about who we could've had? Did we need Hester? Uh, no.

did we NEED a kick and punt returner? YES, why do you think parcells spent a 4th on Skyler Green? cause he thought he would be a good WR?, no. cause he needed a return guy, but looks like that didn't work out so well

 

[jbsg02]

and did we NEED a TE in the 2nd? not when you have a probowler allready

 

[JonCJG]

why do people always talk about who we could've had? Did we need Hester? Uh, no.

I do because Carp is not even a backup and we need help on the Oline (RG) and our #CB is 34 years old.

Carp pick would be ok if was a prospect with great potential. He's not.

But the talk around Valley Ranch was that he would help NOW.

 

[visionary]

Ware is obviously a very talented player and is well-rounded (he definitely knows how to shut down the run and re-route WR).

But he's still arriving a fraction too late on his sacks. Several times he was "almost" there in terms of a sack.

The other thing I fear is that he's so fast, he doesn't have time to employ any other move than a speed rush. You really can't spin if you're going 70 mph headed toward the QB. You almost have to take something off right when you get there in order to spin and not fall flat on your face.

seems to me Freeney (and other speed rushers in the league) dont seem to know that they dont have time to employ 'other' moves

 

[wileedog]

But the talk around Valley Ranch was that he would help NOW.

And that talk was before they knew Ellis would pan out or even if Burnnet would come back 100%.

This argument would hold much more water if someone had said on draft day "Don't draft Carpenter because we are already too deep at LBer - Ellis is going to a good one and Burnnet will be fine."

But everybody and their mother around draft time was salivating over getting that compliment to Ware on the other side. It just turned out that Ellis was that guy.

 

[JonCJG]

Bill knew last year that Greg was going to be moved to OLB. With Singleton and Burnett as backups, we were deep at LB last year.

 

[wileedog]

Bill knew last year that Greg was going to be moved to OLB. With Singleton and Burnett as backups, we were deep at LB last year.

He didn't know it would work.

Heck, the way Ellis was moaning, he might have refused or held out. Then you would have Singleton starting. Do you really believe AlS is going to draw much double coverage away from Ware?

It was far and away a consensus we needed a LBer opposite Ware. It was nowhere near a given thing tha Ellis was going to make it, and Burnett right now is too small to be an everydown SOLB.

 

[JonCJG]

He had a good idea. He woudln't have even tried if he didn't think it would work.

This is not the 1st DE he was moving to Lb.

He's moved LB's to DE as well.

He knew.