RoMac and Leary are at mini camp

[Stash]

We sure as hell are not close to the level of championship caliber teams either. I'm just tired of all the excuses and of players in which winning is not very high on their priority.

You'll get plenty of excuses around here.

Name it and there's an excuse for it.

 

[Doomsday101]

You'll get plenty of excuses around here.

Name it and there's an excuse for it.

I expect nothing more or less from McClain as I would any player on this team. As a fan I want to see this team have success and I do care if not then I would not bother watching the Cowboys. I watch and follow because it matters to me. I have no say or control but I can express my views and opinion like anyone else.

 

[cowboyblue22]

the only thing with Mcclain is that he has already pretty much retired he just hasn't stop playing yet totally.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That's a question for the ones that showed up to answer. Not everyone is motivated by the same thing. What we can be sure of is, it is not a question of "if" the OTAs are voluntary. The FO has made no beans about it, OTAa are not mandatory.

That's a question for the ones that showed up to answer.

Like I said, you couldnt answer it.

And Garrett was quite clearly not happy about it. Jones simply did what he always does. Undermined his head coach and let the player off the hook without accountability.

 

[Idgit]

I expect nothing more or less from McClain as I would any player on this team. As a fan I want to see this team have success and I do care if not then I would not bother watching the Cowboys. I watch and follow because it matters to me. I have no say or control but I can express my views and opinion like anyone else.

I don't think anybody in the thread really likes McClain. The argument is whether or not the team is better with him on the roster, attitude and all. If it is, it's smart to have him here, distasteful or not.

It's not about what specific fans want to see or what they expect. This is a guy they thought they might rehabilitate. Maybe you get a playmaker for your patience. Instead, he's a bridge to another player on a year to year contract. It's not the end of the world, and it's not the mark of any significant philosophical shift. It's a chance they took that they might turn a great talent into a great player. Like so many of these swings, it didn't really work out long term, but at least they got a couple year starter for their effort.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

That's a question for the ones that showed up to answer.

Like I said, you couldnt answer it.

And Garrett was quite clearly not happy about it. Jones simply did what he always does. Undermined his head coach and let the player off the hook without accountability.

So what exactly should Jerry have done, and would it have been worth up to a quarter million dollar fine and having the other OTAs canceled to make some kind of "statement" to a player who likely is playing his last year?

 

[Stash]

I expect nothing more or less from McClain as I would any player on this team. As a fan I want to see this team have success and I do care if not then I would not bother watching the Cowboys. I watch and follow because it matters to me. I have no say or control but I can express my views and opinion like anyone else.

Absolutely! And don't let anybody ever tell you any different, especially the sheep who blindly go along with anything and everything as long as there's a star on it.

 

[DC Cowboy]

Well from what I can tell he doesn't as big as he was when he reported last year.

 

[JoeKing]

That's a question for the ones that showed up to answer.

Like I said, you couldnt answer it.

And Garrett was quite clearly not happy about it. Jones simply did what he always does. Undermined his head coach and let the player off the hook without accountability.

I could answer the question, well more specifically I could venture a guess but that's all it would be and it doesn't pertain to why Ro didn't show. Ro, like everyone else has his own motivation.

Jerry had this arrangement with Ro before OTAs started. Maybe he didn't make it clear to Garrett, maybe he did. Garrett was seemingly taking by surprise. He should have been on the same page with Jerry.

 

[NinePointOh]

The excuse that he is with his kids is about as dumb as they come. When someone calls in that they are sick and they really arent what are they going to say?

You missed my point entirely. Say what you want about the excuse of being with his kids, but I was responding to you scoffing at the fact that he showed up when his employer required him to do so, and the implication that that somehow makes him less of a father.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So what exactly should Jerry have done, and would it have been worth up to a quarter million dollar fine and having the other OTAs canceled to make some kind of "statement" to a player who likely is playing his last year?

This is my final attempt to explain it to you.

OTA's are called "voluntary" because that is legally what they have to call them as per the collective bargaining agreement. All it really means is that you cant "fine" them for not showing up. But EVERYONE is fully expected to be there by most coaches, players, and owners. But apparently NOT with Jerry Jones. He makes side deals and special treatment despite how his coach feels about it.

If that doesnt bother you, then whatever. For my money, those players dont belong here. I expect more out of them.

Is it a huge deal? No, but that is because the Cowboys are a complete mess anyways. So its kinda par for the course. But if we are ever going to get back to respectability on a year and year out basis and one of the best franchises in the NFL long term, then Jones has to change a lot of the way he does things. Undermining his head coach, getting a real head coach, and not dealing with players like McClain are a few of them.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You missed my point entirely. Say what you want about the excuse of being with his kids, but I was responding to you scoffing at the fact that he showed up when his employer required him to do so, and the implication that that somehow makes him less of a father.

I think the whole father and kid thing is a complete joke. That is the point.

 

[zrinkill]

Who cares ....... neither Romac or Lee will be playing by the end of the year. Romac is a lazy slacker and Lee is made of glass.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Blessing upon you two for showing up for work!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Who cares ....... neither Romac or Lee will be playing by the end of the year. Romac is a lazy slacker and Lee is made of glass.

Your assessment of Romac was too kind!!!!!!!!!

 

[Super_Kazuya]

This is my final attempt to explain it to you.

OTA's are called "voluntary" because that is legally what they have to call them as per the collective bargaining agreement. All it really means is that you cant "fine" them for not showing up. But EVERYONE is fully expected to be there by most coaches, players, and owners. But apparently NOT with Jerry Jones. He makes side deals and special treatment despite how his coach feels about it.

If that doesnt bother you, then whatever. For my money, those players dont belong here. I expect more out of them.

Is it a huge deal? No, but that is because the Cowboys are a complete mess anyways. So its kinda par for the course. But if we are ever going to get back to respectability on a year and year out basis and one of the best franchises in the NFL long term, then Jones has to change a lot of the way he does things. Undermining his head coach, getting a real head coach, and not dealing with players like McClain are a few of them.

Your final attempt to explain it to me? You speak as if you are an authority in the situation when you are as clueless as one could possibly be. You are just another gullible fan who has fallen for the NFL's cowardly attempts to undermine the CBA.

Let me explain it to you:
They do not have to show up.
They are not expected to be there.
They do not have to have an excuse.
They cannot be punished, fined, or retaliated upon in any way for not attending.

Section 5. Miscellaneous ( a) No Club official may indicate to a player that the Club’s offseason workout program or classroom instruction is not voluntary (or that a player’s failure to participate in a workout program or classroom instruction will result in the player’s failure to make the Club or result in any other adverse consequences affecting his working conditions).

And yes, teams have been fined and had practices canceled for this very thing. So again I ask you, What should Jerry have done?

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think anybody in the thread really likes McClain. The argument is whether or not the team is better with him on the roster, attitude and all. If it is, it's smart to have him here, distasteful or not.

It's not about what specific fans want to see or what they expect. This is a guy they thought they might rehabilitate. Maybe you get a playmaker for your patience. Instead, he's a bridge to another player on a year to year contract. It's not the end of the world, and it's not the mark of any significant philosophical shift. It's a chance they took that they might turn a great talent into a great player. Like so many of these swings, it didn't really work out long term, but at least they got a couple year starter for their effort.

I'm not saying he can't play, I think there is a lot of talent there I also know the importance of players putting in the work. Again championship do not happen by accident it take a lot of work and conditioning by players so that as the season wears on as games wear on you have enough in the tank to be able to make the key plays that can be the difference of winning and losing.

As long as he is on this team as a fan I will demand a lot and should that offend others fine, hell people get offended they will get over it. But this is a place for fans to express their views. those who choose to defend his action fine that is how they feel

 

[Doomsday101]

Your final attempt to explain it to me? You speak as if you are an authority in the situation when you are as clueless as one could possibly be. You are just another gullible fan who has fallen for the NFL's cowardly attempts to undermine the CBA.

Let me explain it to you:
They do not have to show up.
They are not expected to be there.
They do not have to have an excuse.
They cannot be punished, fined, or retaliated upon in any way for not attending.

Section 5. Miscellaneous ( a) No Club official may indicate to a player that the Club’s offseason workout program or classroom instruction is not voluntary (or that a player’s failure to participate in a workout program or classroom instruction will result in the player’s failure to make the Club or result in any other adverse consequences affecting his working conditions).

And yes, teams have been fined and had practices canceled for this very thing. So again I ask you, What should Jerry have done?

It is not what Jerry should have done it is what McClain and every other player should do. All the players manage to be there and put in the work. now tell me what makes McClain so special that he should not be held accountable? Jerry nor Garrett can't force any player to OTA the problem is they should not have to force a player who wants to win.

If there is any blame on the Cowboys it is signing him to begin with

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I was trying to avoid this thread but ya'll sucked me in.

Frankly, I don't care what is going on with whom right now. I'll care when training camp begins and the roster picture begins to take shape.

Okay, back to work I go....

 

[CowboyRoy]

I could answer the question, well more specifically I could venture a guess but that's all it would be and it doesn't pertain to why Ro didn't show. Ro, like everyone else has his own motivation.

Jerry had this arrangement with Ro before OTAs started. Maybe he didn't make it clear to Garrett, maybe he did. Garrett was seemingly taking by surprise. He should have been on the same page with Jerry.

Great, at least on the Garrett point we can agree. But there is no guessing. They show up because they are expected to be there regardless of whether it is voluntary or not. As we now know, McClain was had a side arrangement. That is lame in my opinion. You dont have an issue. Great. Lets move on.