Romo Contract vs. Dak Contract

[Aviano90]

Here's a fun little fact for you.....

Romo was better than Prescott.

Plain and simple, and please dont insult that conversation with "stats."

Another fun fact...Romo was not elite, as was mentioned earlier in the thread. Your request to not insult the conversation with “stats” applies here, too.

 

[erod]

Tony was no more elite in 2012 than Dak was this year. In fact, he ranked worse in almost every category.

Dak ranked better in 2019 than Tony in 2012 in: Y/A, TD%, INT%, and QBR. And they both ranked 10th in passer rating.

So there's just absolutely no merit to this. In terms of evaluating contract...Tony was 6 years older and broke his collarbone two years before that. Dak, by every metric, should get a significantly higher contract than Romo.

Stats are stupid. They say almost nothing.

Dak simply can't play thre position at the level of Romo.

It's plain to see if you understand what you're watching

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Stats are stupid. They say almost nothing.

Dak simply can't play thre position at the level of Romo.

It's plain to see if you understand what you're watching

Romo was signed no fuss no muss, was never even a word said in public about it beforehand.
Dak is now entering his second calendar year of Dak slobberers saying “he’ll be signed any day now” while Dak issues empty threats through the media and reminds people he won’t be giving any discounts.
The difference in value is obvious to even the lowest IQ Dak slobberer... and that’s a low bar.

 

[Aviano90]

Stats are stupid. They say almost nothing.

Dak simply can't play thre position at the level of Romo.

It's plain to see if you understand what you're watching

The only thing that makes Romo appear to be somewhat elite is his stats. They are also full of garbage time, comeback wins against sorry *** teams, and utter disappointments against good teams with the season on the line. He could carve up a 2 minute drill against a 3-13 Commanders team.

Additionally, if one of his teammates made a mistake during an elimination game, it was pretty much game over. His teammates needed to be perfect.

Compare that to a true elite QB like Mahomes, his receivers can drop 5-6 balls, special teams can give up a TD, and turn the ball over to set up yet another TD on their way to a 24-0 deficit, and he could still pull the game out.

If Romo being better than Dak is all that important to you, apparently it’s not that big of a deal considering you have set a pretty low bar for Dak. The argument actually makes Romo look worse and reminds us of his shortcomings time and time again.

That means we are left with the excuses:
But, but, but wet ball
But, but, but Crayton
But, but; but the offensive line
But, but; but the defense
But, but; but DeMarco fumbled
But, but; but the refs
But, but; but he didn’t get to play with Zeke

To sum up, with Romo you have “stats” which you say are meaningless and a bunch of excuses but no results.

 

[Red Dragon]

Stephen A Smith is simply a hack who likes to preach what he wished were true rather than what is actually true.

 

[shabazz]

Dak does not have a back held together by clothespins and twine.

.......but can only produce 3 Field Goals in a Division Title game against the pathetic Eagles, so there that.

 

[conner01]

The QB market isn't the same as it was in 2013, and Tony Romo was 33 when it took effect. The two situations aren't even comparable.

I think fans look at contracts wrong
I believe you and X both pointed out what really matters and that’s the pct of cap
The cap is way higher now than them so the annual salary means little

 

[CowboysRule]

Yeah, only Dak Prescott who ended up 1 passing yard short of tying Romo's franchise single season passing record and 2 yards shy of breaking it. All with a whole 4th quarter left to play during the Cowboys last game of their 2019 season, Dak was obviously withheld (for contract purposes) from breaking Romo's record and especially from being able to pass for 5K yards (something no Cowboys QB has ever accomplished in any single season).

So, yeah, that Dak Prescott proved he could and should have become the franchise's best single season passer ever if he wasn't intentionally held back.

You know what's better than passing for a lot of yards?


Winning games.

 

[starfan1]

The only thing that makes Romo appear to be somewhat elite is his stats. They are also full of garbage time, comeback wins against sorry *** teams, and utter disappointments against good teams with the season on the line. He could carve up a 2 minute drill against a 3-13 Commanders team.

Additionally, if one of his teammates made a mistake during an elimination game, it was pretty much game over. His teammates needed to be perfect.

Compare that to a true elite QB like Mahomes, his receivers can drop 5-6 balls, special teams can give up a TD, and turn the ball over to set up yet another TD on their way to a 24-0 deficit, and he could still pull the game out.

If Romo being better than Dak is all that important to you, apparently it’s not that big of a deal considering you have set a pretty low bar for Dak. The argument actually makes Romo look worse and reminds us of his shortcomings time and time again.

That means we are left with the excuses:
But, but, but wet ball
But, but, but Crayton
But, but; but the offensive line
But, but; but the defense
But, but; but DeMarco fumbled
But, but; but the refs
But, but; but he didn’t get to play with Zeke

To sum up, with Romo you have “stats” which you say are meaningless and a bunch of excuses but no results.

dont forget my personal favorite "he lost in the lights". The best ability is availability and unfortunately he was an issue in that department

 

[Section446]

I never cared for Romo, but he was a better QB than Dak.

 

[Future]

Stats are stupid. They say almost nothing.

Dak simply can't play thre position at the level of Romo.

It's plain to see if you understand what you're watching

"Stats mean nothing" is the laziest thing I have ever heard. They also mean EVERYTHING when it comes to contract negotiations.

Your opinion, Jerry's opinion, Dak's opinion on his "level" of play is irrelevant. Contracts are built on stats.

You're overrating 2012 Romo, too. He was guilty of everything that's been true about Dak.

 

[Future]

lol, this is pure stupidity. Romo’s performance from his time as a starter obliterated Dak’s. The contract he received was not based on one year. If that’s the case Dak should get paid off of 2017.

Romo was better. He should have been the starter after injury in 2016, and that team goes to the Super Bowl.

But contracts are based on numbers relative to peers. Dak's numbers, relative to peers, are superior to Romo's when he signed. It's black and white, and that's what used to make contracts. Who is "better" doesn't matter.

 

[erod]

"Stats mean nothing" is the laziest thing I have ever heard. They also mean EVERYTHING when it comes to contract negotiations.

Your opinion, Jerry's opinion, Dak's opinion on his "level" of play is irrelevant. Contracts are built on stats.

You're overrating 2012 Romo, too. He was guilty of everything that's been true about Dak.

Dak got severely outplayed by Trubisky, Allen, Darnold, Bridgewater, and Wentz in the game that mattered most. The failed to score a touchdown in three games.

Garbage-time statistics do nothing to change that truth.

 

[Future]

Dak got severely outplayed by Trubisky, Allen, Darnold, Bridgewater, and Wentz in the game that mattered most. The failed to score a touchdown in three games.

Garbage-time statistics do nothing to change that truth.

This is A) False on several levels and B) Completely irrelevant to the contract.

 

[Little Jr]

In Romo's final contract, the headline was that the Cowboys were giving Romo a 6 -year contract extension for $108M, $18M per season. Combined with his 2013 salary, his total deal was 7 years, 119.5M - just over $17M per season. That same offseason, Joe Flacco signed a 6 year deal for $120.6M, $20.1M per season. Ultimately, just based on the raw averages, Romo was giving the Cowboys a 15% discount off the price of the top QB contract in the league.

But the truth is actually that over the first 4 seasons of Romo's deal, he was actually paid only $16.375M per season. He never cashed in on the final 3 years of his deal, and thus was only paid 65.5M, and he never received the last $54M of his back-loaded deal. That means the Cowboys paid Romo 18.3% less than the Ravens paid Flacco.

Compare that to today, when the top QB is making $35M per season. If the Cowboys treat Dak the same way that they treated Romo, then they would offer him a back-loaded contract for 7 years that pays him 84.93% of what Russell Wilson is making. That is a 7 year deal for $208M, an average $29.7M per season. And his first 4 seasons under that contract, Dak would make $28.5M per season.

Along comes Stephen A. Smith, who claims that Jerry would NEVER treat Romo the way he's treating Dak.



The implication is that Dak is being treated worse than Romo. But the truth is Romo was willing to take a discount to be the QB of the Cowboys, and Dak is not. It is certainly Dak's right to negotiate as hard as he can to get the best deal he can from the Cowboys. But can we please dispense with the notion that Jerry would gladly pay Romo, but refuses to pay Dak. That is simply not true. The Jones want a discount from Dak - just like they got a discount from Romo. They are treating Dak with the exact same amount of respect as they treated Romo.

It was easier for Romo to take a team friendly deal with the money he had already made. He had made around 61m, Dak has made 4m

 

[blueblood70]

In Romo's final contract, the headline was that the Cowboys were giving Romo a 6 -year contract extension for $108M, $18M per season. Combined with his 2013 salary, his total deal was 7 years, 119.5M - just over $17M per season. That same offseason, Joe Flacco signed a 6 year deal for $120.6M, $20.1M per season. Ultimately, just based on the raw averages, Romo was giving the Cowboys a 15% discount off the price of the top QB contract in the league.

But the truth is actually that over the first 4 seasons of Romo's deal, he was actually paid only $16.375M per season. He never cashed in on the final 3 years of his deal, and thus was only paid 65.5M, and he never received the last $54M of his back-loaded deal. That means the Cowboys paid Romo 18.3% less than the Ravens paid Flacco.

Compare that to today, when the top QB is making $35M per season. If the Cowboys treat Dak the same way that they treated Romo, then they would offer him a back-loaded contract for 7 years that pays him 84.93% of what Russell Wilson is making. That is a 7 year deal for $208M, an average $29.7M per season. And his first 4 seasons under that contract, Dak would make $28.5M per season.

Along comes Stephen A. Smith, who claims that Jerry would NEVER treat Romo the way he's treating Dak.



The implication is that Dak is being treated worse than Romo. But the truth is Romo was willing to take a discount to be the QB of the Cowboys, and Dak is not. It is certainly Dak's right to negotiate as hard as he can to get the best deal he can from the Cowboys. But can we please dispense with the notion that Jerry would gladly pay Romo, but refuses to pay Dak. That is simply not true. The Jones want a discount from Dak - just like they got a discount from Romo. They are treating Dak with the exact same amount of respect as they treated Romo.

true

I agree ..

yet Dak is turning down those types of deals , he doesnt want those backloaded easier out team friendly deals..IMO hes being greedy like you said has right too but from my perspective hes holding up the deal and taking 30 a year with incentives backloaded is the right thing to do hes still rich and can get new deal if he gets up to a sb or two jerry will back the truck up so to speak...

 

[blueblood70]

Another fun fact...Romo was not elite, as was mentioned earlier in the thread. Your request to not insult the conversation with “stats” applies here, too.

IMO neither may not be elite bit Romo to me is still the better qb..he sure was a lot closer to it then Dak..we are all allowed our opinion and I would take a healthy romo over dak anyday,,

 

[blueblood70]

This is A) False on several levels and B) Completely irrelevant to the contract.

in those H2H matchups Dak did get outplayed, they may not be better qbs overall but Dak blew a lot of games this year with poor play..

 

[Aviano90]

IMO neither may not be elite bit Romo to me is still the better qb..he sure was a lot closer to it then Dak..we are all allowed our opinion and I would take a healthy romo over dak anyday,,

Yeah, Romo is better than Dak. I will grant you that.

Here is the main issue with people who are hell bent on comparing the two...why the double standard of expectations between the 2 QBs? There is an excuse for Romo for every season’s failure that doesn’t involve Romo, while the finger gets pointed at Dak because he isn’t as good as Romo?

An example, Dak’s defense can give up 34 points in a playoff game and it’s Dak’s fault they lose. After all, Dak threw an interception. No mention of Witten blowing a block leading to a sack, TWill dropping a wide open pass, Butler had a stupid penalty and dropped a TD pass, the refs didn’t call pass interference against Witten at the end of the first half, interception called back due to a ticky-tack penalty, defense getting absolutely shredded early in the game and then twice giving up the lead late in the 4th after Dallas tied the game?

None of that that seems to matter, Romo is better than Dak so Dak is to blame for loss because he made one mistake.

Why doesn’t Dak get the same courtesy extended to him that Romo got even though he isn’t as good?

 

[Jumbo075]

true

I agree ..

yet Dak is turning down those types of deals , he doesnt want those backloaded easier out team friendly deals..IMO hes being greedy like you said has right too but from my perspective hes holding up the deal and taking 30 a year with incentives backloaded is the right thing to do hes still rich and can get new deal if he gets up to a sb or two jerry will back the truck up so to speak...

I made no argument comparing the value of Romo vs. the value of Dak. Others seem to want to use this thread to fight about that. I don't really care because by the time Dak took over, Romo's body was shot. It didn't matter if Romo might have been better in sports, because the Cowboys couldn't rely on him, and Dak was having the single best rookie QB season in the entire history of the NFL.

Also, I am not arguing that Dak is being greedy by trying to negotiate the best possible deal for himself. What I have a problem with is those who think, for politically correct reasons, that the Cowboys treated Romo better than they are treating Dak. I pointed out that the Cowboys offered BOTH Romo AND Dak discounted deals. Romo agreed to the discount, and so far, Dak has rejected it - as is his right. I'm also NOT suggesting that Dak should accept the discounted deal just because Romo did. Dak is his own man, and can choose his own path.

I just absolutely despise false accusations. And the accusation that the Cowboys and/or the Jones family is treating Dak less respectively than they treated Romo is simply false. I hate that.