Romo haters, you all make me sick!

[Scranton Tiger]

10 years ago????

No but he WAS on the field when he bobbled the snap in Seattle.

He was on the field when he threw that pick in the endzone i the playoffs that lost the game.

He was on the field tonight throwing 2 picks and countless overthrows.

I don't know what 10 years ago has to do with anything, but I know where he was on these three BIG games.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'll give you the Seattle game. It also appeared he was off in the first three quarters tonight. However, if you put the New York game on him, you are in error in a big way. How many passes did the receivers drop in that game? Didn't he have a receiver quit on a fade route where the pass was perfect on the next to last play. Didn't he have only about 1 1/2 seconds to throw the ball the entire second half. He HAD to throw the ball when it got picked. It's fourth down, less than twenty seconds, no timeouts and pressure right in his grill AGAIN. He had to throw it up because it that instance, he can't throw it away, he can't take a sack and he can't risk trying to run for it.

 

[Cochese]

10 years ago????

No but he WAS on the field when he bobbled the snap in Seattle.

He was on the field when he threw that pick in the endzone i the playoffs that lost the game.

He was on the field tonight throwing 2 picks and countless overthrows.

I don't know what 10 years ago has to do with anything, but I know where he was on these three BIG games.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Because the Cowboys were still finding ways to lose late-season games 10 years ago. We've been watching these late season meltdowns for the past decade regardless of who's been playing QB. Clearly, the Cowboys' recent inability to win a playoff game is due to more than merely QB play.

So you are saying that somehow, our history of 10 years is somehow to blame for this. Through all of the coaching changes, the all of the personnel, it just is that we have this history and we can't do anything about it?

This isn't Groundhog Day with Bill Murray.

At some point the players have tot take responsibility for their play.

Romo has folded under pressure the last three years. Again, I think he can overcome it but he isn't showing signs of it right now.

 

[Scranton Tiger]

Is that right?

How many years was Rothlisberger in the league before he won a super bowl?

Or Eli Manning?

Or Troy Aikman???

First, I said very few exceptions. Not never. Second, if you want, I can give you the info for how many seasons it took every Super Bowl QB to win a title. Better yet, I'll let you look it up for yourself. All the info you'll need is at this link.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/

Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger are the exceptions. Not the rule.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'll give you the Seattle game. It also appeared he was off in the first three quarters tonight. However, if you put the New York game on him, you are in error in a big way. How many passes did the receivers drop in that game? Didn't he have a receiver quit on a fade route where the pass was perfect on the next to last play. Didn't he have only about 1 1/2 seconds to throw the ball the entire second half. He HAD to throw the ball when it got picked. It's fourth down, less than twenty seconds, no timeouts and pressure right in his grill AGAIN. He had to throw it up because it that instance, he can't throw it away, he can't take a sack and he can't risk trying to run for it.

But he threw the pick. And that is what I'm getting at. I said he was personally responsible for those games. Why? Because that is what a QB is. He is the leader. Were there contributing factors that he threw the pick? Sure. But at some point, somewhere, sometime, he has to make a play in that circumstance to overcome these things. He has to MAKE THE PLAY.

That's all I'm getting at. He has not shown he can do it under pressure situations. And as far as the Giant's game last year, I put him being in that position on Crayton, so he does share that blame.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

So you are saying that somehow, our history of 10 years is somehow to blame for this. Through all of the coaching changes, the all of the personnel, it just is that we have this history and we can't do anything about it?

This isn't Groundhog Day with Bill Murray.

At some point the players have tot take responsibility for their play.

Romo has folded under pressure the last three years. Again, I think he can overcome it but he isn't showing signs of it right now.

No. I'm saying that there's a systemic problem within the organization.

This team shows very little accountability or discipline - two traits that have been lacking for over a decade now regardless of the players or coaches involved. At some point, the owner and GM must be held accountable for failing to acquire players with the discipline, accountability, and mental and emotional fortitude necessary to win in the playoffs. He should also be held accountable for failing to create an environment that reinforces accountability and discipline.

Unfortunately, this is Groundhog Day, directed by Jerry Jones.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

First, I said very few exceptions. Not never. Second, if you want, I can give you the info for how many seasons it took every Super Bowl QB to win a title. Better yet, I'll let you look it up for yourself. All the info you'll need is at this link.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/

Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger are the exceptions. Not the rule.

Well once again, you can't compare other eras to this one. And the one we are talking about now, encompasses, Brady, Roth, Eli etc. So it's not that rare compared to with today's game.

Now if you want to trot out Len Dawson, Bart Starr et al. then ok. But it doesn't make much sense.

Different cats back then and a totally different game.

 

[Scranton Tiger]

So you are saying that somehow, our history of 10 years is somehow to blame for this. Through all of the coaching changes, the all of the personnel, it just is that we have this history and we can't do anything about it?

Someone a whole lot smarter than me once said that if the same problem occurs over and over and over again, look for the common denominator and you'll probably find the cause. Every team from 1994 to 2008 has one common denominator. FYI

 

[robjgrif]

Romo homers, you make me sick. Romo = Fail!

 

[Cajuncowboy]

No. I'm saying that there's a systemic problem within the organization.

This team shows very little accountability or discipline - two traits that have been lacking for over a decade now regardless of the players or coaches involved. At some point, the owner and GM must be held accountable for failing to acquire players with the discipline, accountability, and mental and emotional fortitude necessary to win in the playoffs. He should also be held accountable for failing to create an environment that reinforces accountability and discipline.

Unfortunately, this is Groundhog Day, directed by Jerry Jones.

With that I can agree. Though I do think that what you say applies then to the talent as well. Because it is the talent that Jerry has acquired.

Though I doubt we will see a new GM anytime soon.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Someone a whole lot smarter than me once said that if the same problem occurs over and over and over again, look for the common denominator and you'll probably find the cause. Every team from 1994 to 2008 has one common denominator. FYI

Of course that same common denominator also has three super bowl trophies.
FYI.

 

[Scranton Tiger]

But he threw the pick. And that is what I'm getting at. I said he was personally responsible for those games. Why? Because that is what a QB is. He is the leader. Were there contributing factors that he threw the pick? Sure. But at some point, somewhere, sometime, he has to make a play in that circumstance to overcome these things. He has to MAKE THE PLAY.

That's all I'm getting at. He has not shown he can do it under pressure situations. And as far as the Giant's game last year, I put him being in that position on Crayton, so he does share that blame.

He did in that game several times. That's my point. In that game, he made plays ALL NIGHT and got zero help. No one wants to talk about that. There are two things a QB has absolutely no control of what so ever. One, he can't make a receiver catch the ball. If it's on the numbers, that's all he can do. Second, he can't stop a receiver from quitting on his route. The receiver has to do that on his own even if he believes he's not the primary receiver on the play.

 

[Scranton Tiger]

Of course that same common denominator also has three super bowl trophies.
FYI.

Aren't you the same guy that just said you can't compare eras? Those trophies have so much dust on them that if I hadn't watched the games myself, I wouldn't know what years we won them.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

There isn't anything wrong with critizing him, or wishing a bit more out of him, or hoping for better play out of him. I just wish people would step back and keep things in some perspective before they go off the deep end and say really ignorant things like "He completely sucks, he has no talent, he'll never win a big game, blah, blah, blah".

The guy is finishing his second full year as a starter. He's been starting for a mere 2 and a half seasons.

I'd hate to think what some people around here would have done with Peyton Manning after his first 2 and a half seasons as a starter.

That's all I'd like to see is a little common sense and perspective. All these people who are saying he sucks, and will never win, are probably the same ones who thought Manning never would either, or that Eli never would, or that Troy never would.

Maybe, just maybe, since he's only 27 years old we might think a little more clearly and realise it's not like the guy is 35 and has been losing big games for 10 or 11 years.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

He did in that game several times. That's my point. In that game, he made plays ALL NIGHT and got zero help. No one wants to talk about that. There are two things a QB has absolutely no control of what so ever. One, he can't make a receiver catch the ball. If it's on the numbers, that's all he can do. Second, he can't stop a receiver from quitting on his route. The receiver has to do that on his own even if he believes he's not the primary receiver on the play.

This is what separates the great QBs from the good QBs.

When I say MAKES THE PLAY, I mean makes THE play.

Staubach made THE plays. Aikman made THE plays.

I'm not saying that other haven't made plays or Romo hasn't made plays. Just that he has yet to make THE play.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

He did in that game several times. That's my point. In that game, he made plays ALL NIGHT and got zero help. No one wants to talk about that. There are two things a QB has absolutely no control of what so ever. One, he can't make a receiver catch the ball. If it's on the numbers, that's all he can do. Second, he can't stop a receiver from quitting on his route. The receiver has to do that on his own even if he believes he's not the primary receiver on the play.

A QB also has zero control over a defense giving up 159 yards and 2 TDs on two plays directly after he'd just led the team down the field 2 straight times for TDs that pulled the game to within two points.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Aren't you the same guy that just said you can't compare eras? Those trophies have so much dust on them that if I hadn't watched the games myself, I wouldn't know what years we won them.

Yea but you are the one talking about common denominators. I simply pointed out the fact that he has them. But you want to go back to Slingin' Sammy Baugh for examples of how to bring a QB along.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

There isn't anything wrong with critizing him, or wishing a bit more out of him, or hoping for better play out of him. I just wish people would step back and keep things in some perspective before they go off the deep end and say really ignorant things like "He completely sucks, he has no talent, he'll never win a big game, blah, blah, blah".

The guy is finishing his second full year as a starter. He's been starting for a mere 2 and a half seasons.

I'd hate to think what some people around here would have done with Peyton Manning after his first 2 and a half seasons as a starter.

That's all I'd like to see is a little common sense and perspective. All these people who are saying he sucks, and will never win, are probably the same ones who thought Manning never would either, or that Eli never would, or that Troy never would.

Maybe, just maybe, since he's only 27 years old we might think a little more clearly and realise it's not like the guy is 35 and has been losing big games for 10 or 11 years.

Well I'm not one of those. I have said however, I think we need to look at QB in the draft. I also have said I think right now, Romo is not a championship caliber QB.

He can change that by making the plays that win games in clutch situations. Honestly, Roger had to do that as well. And did. I hope for the same from Romo.

 

[cowboys#1]

romo is crap. im tired of defending him.

 

[lcharles]

romo is crap. im tired of defending him.

Me too. uke: