Romo heading up workouts

Yes, Witten, Ware and Romo. three gifted athletes but numbskulls when it comes to practicalities.

If one of them (or others) injures an ankle, pulls a groin muscle or breaks a limb, who is there to take care of it.
Who will be there to make sure they are conditioned enough to resume practices? Where is the strength coach and the trainers who look after the preventive and after-injury incidents.

This amateur "let's-get-together-and-practice-kids!" things makes me believe they have not thought this out.
Over at the skins, one practice was concluded in one hour.

One hour? One hour is just enougn time to break a sweat and maybe twist an akle.

Numbskulls.
 
zrinkill;3915593 said:
Wade is gone ..... there is a new direction.

Romo is leading this ....... you are just babbling because you are invested in Romo not being a leader.

You say the team needs one leader ...... but then you use the Commanders as an example and they have multiple guys putting together their off season workouts.

Then you say this Romo lead effort does not matter because the team has no attitude or heart.

but just last week you were badmouthing Romo because he (in your small mind) had not started these workouts yet.


You are all over the place trying to justify your biased and very silly view of Romo.

You are a hypocrite.

No I am not. You may think I am, but I know what I see. If you go back and look at some of my posts, you will see that i praised romo, when some of you were killing him during games, like first game of season against giants in cowboys stadium. I praised romo when he said, no we need to correct errors on the field not wait to fix them the next day or in film study because you develop bad habits that way.

The team always has to have one leader, that first leader is the head coach, if not the head coach like switzer wasnt then the players, but it ulitmately starts with the QB of your team being the leader on and off the field. Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman did this. I an not the ones, and at no time have i ever said like some have posted on here, that some players on the team disrespects romo or whatever.

Just like you were wrong, when you said only 3 people were against romo or whatever. I showed you in a post at least 3-4more people, so you were wrong on that.

The team and you should know this, has to believe in the QB of that team. Do you remember when Mel Tom, I believe stomped on roger staubachs pinkie finger, the whole team started onto the field for a fight fromthe sidelines.

And i was saying about attitude and heart that the team doesnt have it deep enough yet, especially some of the players. Did jenkins have heart when he wouldnt come in and tackle last year and his first year?

Again, your missing the whole point, its the perception, attitude, desire of the whole team that good ole wade wrecked, that everything is ok, dont worry. We heard that in 2008, a fiscal year, and in 2010, same thing, dont worry during training camp. How many of you told me i was wrong, that you could turn it on like a switch, dont worry.

You cant, takes hard work, desire, intensity. Now, the players have attitude, desire, intensity, but your missing my point, they dont know how deep down they need to go.

Jason Garrett is gonna show them that, just like jimmy johnson did. Then, better leadership, knowing what to do, what it takes, will further develop leaders like witten, ware, romo,, newman, bradie.

Just like players said a few years ago and got all hot and heavy, when camp was called camp cupcake and marshmellow. Players said, we work hard, you have no idea. Oh really, in shorts most of the time, and only 3 days of full pads in 5 weeks of training camp. Nate Newton laughed when he was told players worked hard and newton replied you have no idea what hard work is. But they will find out under jason garrett. Its the whole mess that wade left,

Originally Posted by birdwells1
O

Cowboy Joe you're right and if some would stop in their defense of romo for a moment they would realize that your post is not an indictment of him. This team has been both mentally and physically weakened during the wade era and things need to change and garret is going to have to do that.

Just like the person said above, my post is actually not an indictment of romo, or witten or wade, its what was instilled in those players by wade as a soft coach and allowed.

true, this is a new team and new direction, and jason garrett has to be the guy that carries the big stick and he will. That is what is actually needed for this team. Again, when your star defender, and you cant deny this no matter how you try to color it, but shows the whole attitude and perception of the team in everything they did from playing, to workouts, to film study, to practices etc... When you star defender that just got his butt beat 7 games and had other teams laughing at them, while saying all you have to do is hit them in the mouth and they will back up, your star defender when he sees what jason garrett wrote on bulletin board in big red letters, oh man do we have to do that. Instead he should have said, we need to do this, im just as much fault as the other guys for allownig this to happen and not making players accoutable, etc...

Again, thats, lack of attitude, intensity, heart, when you say, oh man do we have to do this, when you have your dallas cowboy fans being laughed at by other teams fans, wearing sacks over their heads at balll games, etc... Can you deny that zrinkill? Oh, i guess it never happened, it will be ok, dont worry, you can turn it on like a switch like some of you tried to tell me, how did that switch thing work out for you?

Thats what im pointing too, the players dont realize what it acutally takes to be champions and what you have to do in all aspects of football.

I am sorry if i have offended you or anyone else, its just what i see from this soft team to their approach on football matters. But again, thats gonna be all i am going to say on this, i want to get ready for the draft and wait and see what jason garrett is going to do. Jason will fix this in time. :cool:
 
cowboyjoe;3915645 said:
No I am not. You may think I am, but I know what I see. If you go back and look at some of my posts, you will see that i praised romo, when some of you were killing him during games, like first game of season against giants in cowboys stadium. I praised romo when he said, no we need to correct errors on the field not wait to fix them the next day or in film study because you develop bad habits that way.

The team always has to have one leader, that first leader is the head coach, if not the head coach like switzer wasnt then the players, but it ulitmately starts with the QB of your team being the leader on and off the field. Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman did this. I an not the ones, and at no time have i ever said like some have posted on here, that some players on the team disrespects romo or whatever.

Just like you were wrong, when you said only 3 people were against romo or whatever. I showed you in a post at least 3-4more people, so you were wrong on that.

The team and you should know this, has to believe in the QB of that team. Do you remember when Mel Tom, I believe stomped on roger staubachs pinkie finger, the whole team started onto the field for a fight fromthe sidelines.

And i was saying about attitude and heart that the team doesnt have it deep enough yet, especially some of the players. Did jenkins have heart when he wouldnt come in and tackle last year and his first year?

Again, your missing the whole point, its the perception, attitude, desire of the whole team that good ole wade wrecked, that everything is ok, dont worry. We heard that in 2008, a fiscal year, and in 2010, same thing, dont worry during training camp. How many of you told me i was wrong, that you could turn it on like a switch, dont worry.

You cant, takes hard work, desire, intensity. Now, the players have attitude, desire, intensity, but your missing my point, they dont know how deep down they need to go.

Jason Garrett is gonna show them that, just like jimmy johnson did. Then, better leadership, knowing what to do, what it takes, will further develop leaders like witten, ware, romo,, newman, bradie.

Just like players said a few years ago and got all hot and heavy, when camp was called camp cupcake and marshmellow. Players said, we work hard, you have no idea. Oh really, in shorts most of the time, and only 3 days of full pads in 5 weeks of training camp. Nate Newton laughed when he was told players worked hard and newton replied you have no idea what hard work is. But they will find out under jason garrett. Its the whole mess that wade left,

Originally Posted by birdwells1
O

Cowboy Joe you're right and if some would stop in their defense of romo for a moment they would realize that your post is not an indictment of him. This team has been both mentally and physically weakened during the wade era and things need to change and garret is going to have to do that.

Just like the person said above, my post is actually not an indictment of romo, or witten or wade, its what was instilled in those players by wade as a soft coach and allowed.

true, this is a new team and new direction, and jason garrett has to be the guy that carries the big stick and he will. That is what is actually needed for this team. Again, when your star defender, and you cant deny this no matter how you try to color it, but shows the whole attitude and perception of the team in everything they did from playing, to workouts, to film study, to practices etc... When you star defender that just got his butt beat 7 games and had other teams laughing at them, while saying all you have to do is hit them in the mouth and they will back up, your star defender when he sees what jason garrett wrote on bulletin board in big red letters, oh man do we have to do that. Instead he should have said, we need to do this, im just as much fault as the other guys for allownig this to happen and not making players accoutable, etc...

Again, thats, lack of attitude, intensity, heart, when you say, oh man do we have to do this, when you have your dallas cowboy fans being laughed at by other teams fans, wearing sacks over their heads at balll games, etc... Can you deny that zrinkill? Oh, i guess it never happened, it will be ok, dont worry, you can turn it on like a switch like some of you tried to tell me, how did that switch thing work out for you?

Thats what im pointing too, the players dont realize what it acutally takes to be champions and what you have to do in all aspects of football.

I am sorry if i have offended you or anyone else, its just what i see from this soft team to their approach on football matters. But again, thats gonna be all i am going to say on this, i want to get ready for the draft and wait and see what jason garrett is going to do. Jason will fix this in time. :cool:

:bang2:
 
cowboyjoe;3915432 said:
Answer me this then HoosierCowboy?
"I'll get the guys together on my own, and I'll make sure we don't miss a lot," Romo told The Morning News in January. "Hopefully, we'll get a big jump on some other teams just by making this something that I get with the guys and do on a weekly basis."

Then, this by Witten!
"It's been hard just because it's kind of foreign to us," Witten said. "This is the time really when you're getting back into it and starting to make evaluations and looking forward into next season. Definitely different. I think just as leaders you're trying to keep contact with guys so that everybody is on the same communication as far as what the plans are as a team and giving us the best chance when it does get fixed

Now both of these players are leaders right, just not Romo, and Witten is my most favorite player on the period, bar none. I am not knocking on them, if I sound that way, I am trying to show something.

Now, what team has already had TWO days of mincamp?
So, basically, the Commanders have gotten a jump on the Cowboys leadlers getting their team in for minicamp. Ive heard that the eagles, ravens, lions or rams, and titans have already done this too, along with miami.

So, these teams have gotten the jump on our dallas leaders as a whole group. I am not talking individual groups, romo and witten, ware and brooking have done a good job doing that for individual groups. But you should know, the whole team plays together. And Witten said it, this is the time of year that you get communication together as a group, make evaluations, etc...

So, basically, were behind on that compared to our hated arch rivals, so which team leaders have done a better job, so far, Commanders or cowboys?

And dont forget, we had the little groups ran by good ole wade last year, how did that work for you? And what did jason garrett do when he came in as head coach, put the players in pads and had the whole team working out not standing around like good ole wade had the players doing when one unit was working. You should know it takes all aspects of the team offense, defense and special teams to win games, its not individual groups, and thats where your leaders should come into play. Did not Jason Garrett tell the players that they need to be together, work hard and be in shape as a whole team, and was up to the leaders to do this?

:cool:


The continued problem I have with your line of thinking, Joe, is that you assume you know what's going on, when there's very limited information being distributed.

Yes, the Commanders have had a "minicamp," for instance, but what was done at that minicamp compared to what Romo, Witten and Ware have planned?

The Cowboys could conceivably get a jump on the competition by holding more than just a glorified get-together, which appears to be what the Commanders did. How about Romo's plan to do something on a weekly basis, does that give Dallas a jump on the competition?

The leadership comes in the details. If the Cowboys get together for practice and basically stand around and do nothing, would you call that good leadership? How about if they get together and have the sharpest, most productive "minicamp" of any team that has met?

We don't know the details, so stop looking for a problem where there is none. When, or if, one appears, then it would be justifiable to rant against the leadership.
 
what did garret write on the board that made demarcus ware say oh man do we really have to do that?
 
jblaze2004;3915689 said:
what did garret write on the board that made demarcus ware say oh man do we really have to do that?
"Full pads," I think it was.
 
cowboyjoe;3915645 said:
No I am not. You may think I am, but I know what I see. If you go back and look at some of my posts, you will see that i praised romo, when some of you were killing him during games, like first game of season against giants in cowboys stadium. I praised romo when he said, no we need to correct errors on the field not wait to fix them the next day or in film study because you develop bad habits that way.

The team always has to have one leader, that first leader is the head coach, if not the head coach like switzer wasnt then the players, but it ulitmately starts with the QB of your team being the leader on and off the field. Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman did this. I an not the ones, and at no time have i ever said like some have posted on here, that some players on the team disrespects romo or whatever.

Just like you were wrong, when you said only 3 people were against romo or whatever. I showed you in a post at least 3-4more people, so you were wrong on that.

The team and you should know this, has to believe in the QB of that team. Do you remember when Mel Tom, I believe stomped on roger staubachs pinkie finger, the whole team started onto the field for a fight fromthe sidelines.

And i was saying about attitude and heart that the team doesnt have it deep enough yet, especially some of the players. Did jenkins have heart when he wouldnt come in and tackle last year and his first year?

Again, your missing the whole point, its the perception, attitude, desire of the whole team that good ole wade wrecked, that everything is ok, dont worry. We heard that in 2008, a fiscal year, and in 2010, same thing, dont worry during training camp. How many of you told me i was wrong, that you could turn it on like a switch, dont worry.

You cant, takes hard work, desire, intensity. Now, the players have attitude, desire, intensity, but your missing my point, they dont know how deep down they need to go.

Jason Garrett is gonna show them that, just like jimmy johnson did. Then, better leadership, knowing what to do, what it takes, will further develop leaders like witten, ware, romo,, newman, bradie.

Just like players said a few years ago and got all hot and heavy, when camp was called camp cupcake and marshmellow. Players said, we work hard, you have no idea. Oh really, in shorts most of the time, and only 3 days of full pads in 5 weeks of training camp. Nate Newton laughed when he was told players worked hard and newton replied you have no idea what hard work is. But they will find out under jason garrett. Its the whole mess that wade left,

Originally Posted by birdwells1
O

Cowboy Joe you're right and if some would stop in their defense of romo for a moment they would realize that your post is not an indictment of him. This team has been both mentally and physically weakened during the wade era and things need to change and garret is going to have to do that.

Just like the person said above, my post is actually not an indictment of romo, or witten or wade, its what was instilled in those players by wade as a soft coach and allowed.

true, this is a new team and new direction, and jason garrett has to be the guy that carries the big stick and he will. That is what is actually needed for this team. Again, when your star defender, and you cant deny this no matter how you try to color it, but shows the whole attitude and perception of the team in everything they did from playing, to workouts, to film study, to practices etc... When you star defender that just got his butt beat 7 games and had other teams laughing at them, while saying all you have to do is hit them in the mouth and they will back up, your star defender when he sees what jason garrett wrote on bulletin board in big red letters, oh man do we have to do that. Instead he should have said, we need to do this, im just as much fault as the other guys for allownig this to happen and not making players accoutable, etc...

Again, thats, lack of attitude, intensity, heart, when you say, oh man do we have to do this, when you have your dallas cowboy fans being laughed at by other teams fans, wearing sacks over their heads at balll games, etc... Can you deny that zrinkill? Oh, i guess it never happened, it will be ok, dont worry, you can turn it on like a switch like some of you tried to tell me, how did that switch thing work out for you?

Thats what im pointing too, the players dont realize what it acutally takes to be champions and what you have to do in all aspects of football.

I am sorry if i have offended you or anyone else, its just what i see from this soft team to their approach on football matters. But again, thats gonna be all i am going to say on this, i want to get ready for the draft and wait and see what jason garrett is going to do. Jason will fix this in time. :cool:


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cowboyjoe;3915491 said:
I am not totally pointing to leadership, i am pointing to a soft team, physically and mentally

jason garrett will fix that, if their is a training camp, no more of this, stuff like on defense, coach, we cant get this defense down, you have to scale it back make it simple,

garrett will work these players till they get it right, you do that in pads till they get it right and then your making the players mentally tough

just like our star defensive leader said when jason wrote on bulletin board, full pads, in red, ware said, oh man, do we have to do that,

soft, mentally and physically

while wade was letting the players work in shorts and only 3 days of full pads, in 5 weeks of training camp, grasp that, just 3 days in full pads,

this carries on to this getting ready by themselves, just like someone said, this team couldnt do that under a soft coach like wade, how do you expect them to do that on their own

thats what im trying to get across, attitude, desire, perception needs to be changed, and i go on record saying here and now, jason garrett will fix that in time, as well rob ryan will fix that too

thats what im pointing too

I'll wait to see what is going on before making a condemning statement. To say they will not get in some good work? How do you know that? You don't you assume that is the case. Me I'll wait to see what comes of this

No doubt I would rather have a situation where coaches were there but the same can be said for any team out there.
 
cowboyjoe;3915432 said:
Answer me this then HoosierCowboy?


Now both of these players are leaders right, just not Romo, and Witten is my most favorite player on the period, bar none. I am not knocking on them, if I sound that way, I am trying to show something.

Now, what team has already had TWO days of mincamp?
So, basically, the Commanders have gotten a jump on the Cowboys leadlers getting their team in for minicamp. Ive heard that the eagles, ravens, lions or rams, and titans have already done this too, along with miami.

So, these teams have gotten the jump on our dallas leaders as a whole group. I am not talking individual groups, romo and witten, ware and brooking have done a good job doing that for individual groups. But you should know, the whole team plays together. And Witten said it, this is the time of year that you get communication together as a group, make evaluations, etc...

So, basically, were behind on that compared to our hated arch rivals, so which team leaders have done a better job, so far, Commanders or cowboys?

And dont forget, we had the little groups ran by good ole wade last year, how did that work for you? And what did jason garrett do when he came in as head coach, put the players in pads and had the whole team working out not standing around like good ole wade had the players doing when one unit was working. You should know it takes all aspects of the team offense, defense and special teams to win games, its not individual groups, and thats where your leaders should come into play. Did not Jason Garrett tell the players that they need to be together, work hard and be in shape as a whole team, and was up to the leaders to do this?

:cool:

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this ain't working
 
Is it possible to merge an open thread with a closed thread mods?
 
Some tend to forget that there is a wide IQ distribution both in the real world and on this board.

Some how, some way, there are people in this world that see things like:

golf (or any leisure activity) in one's free time =
<< skills at real job, or << leadership....etc.

They make short buses for a reason.
 
Anjinsan;3915373 said:
Uh oh, here come the Romo haters KJJ and co.

Dude I'm no Romo hater I have a lot of posts showing support for him but anytime you point out his weaknesses or have any criticism of him a few here come screaming claiming you're a hater.

Romo is a good QB I've never questioned that but he has things he has to work on if he's going to take the Cowboys to the next level and if you can't see that then you need to take off the blinders.

This is just another thread trying to show he's stepping up as a leader.
 
cowboyjoe;3915497 said:
I am not dumb on this zrinkill, profootballtalk said 30 players, im not sure how many showed up first day or 2nd day, but pft did say 30

and i did not lump it all on romo, did i not say witten, ware, and romo?

a team has to have one than one leader on a team, or it wont go anywhere

you should know that

aikman, haley, e smith, d woodson, gogan, irvin, all kept this team together and that carried on after jimmy johnson left, and switzer took over and those leaders and some more helped that team win another superbowl in 95 season
Go read my thread on the 90's scale Joe. Instead of expecting this team to be the 90's Cowboys, You Should expect them to be the be themselves at their best. Not the 90's best.

Romo isnt aikman. Huge difference in personalities. You cant fake that or the players will see right through it. Ware is far far far from Haley. That will never happen.

In fact look around the NFL, there aren't many guys like previous generations around. Different breed of thought processes.
 
gimmesix;3915681 said:
The continued problem I have with your line of thinking, Joe, is that you assume you know what's going on, when there's very limited information being distributed.

Yes, the Commanders have had a "minicamp," for instance, but what was done at that minicamp compared to what Romo, Witten and Ware have planned?

The Cowboys could conceivably get a jump on the competition by holding more than just a glorified get-together, which appears to be what the Commanders did. How about Romo's plan to do something on a weekly basis, does that give Dallas a jump on the competition?

The leadership comes in the details. If the Cowboys get together for practice and basically stand around and do nothing, would you call that good leadership? How about if they get together and have the sharpest, most productive "minicamp" of any team that has met?

We don't know the details, so stop looking for a problem where there is none. When, or if, one appears, then it would be justifiable to rant against the leadership.

Very Well Said. He's assuming he knows whats going on in Dallas.

Garrett has shown us he keeps things very tight lipped. This may very well be the same. Especially if Jerry thinks it may cause some form of discipline from the NFL once things start back if certain boundaries are crossed.
 
GimmeTheBall!;3915626 said:
Yes, Witten, Ware and Romo. three gifted athletes but numbskulls when it comes to practicalities.

If one of them (or others) injures an ankle, pulls a groin muscle or breaks a limb, who is there to take care of it.
Who will be there to make sure they are conditioned enough to resume practices? Where is the strength coach and the trainers who look after the preventive and after-injury incidents.

This amateur "let's-get-together-and-practice-kids!" things makes me believe they have not thought this out.
Over at the skins, one practice was concluded in one hour.

One hour? One hour is just enougn time to break a sweat and maybe twist an akle.

Numbskulls.

Those are legit concerns but it is the boat players are in and not just with the Cowboys. Other team’s players will be holding similar session. I don't expect these session will be physical much of it will be light 7 on 7 workouts and going through the plays. Clearly with no trainers being present guys have to be careful and smart
 
DallasEast;3915477 said:
I'm not sure why anyone would expect Martellus Bennett to show up.



He's headed for Jon Kitna's workout. :D

MB ~ What do voluntary mean?
 
MarionBarberThe4th;3915350 said:
Why does he need help from Witten and Ware? Thats not leadery

Thread title should be "Cowboys team leaders heading up workouts".
 

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