Romo isn't untradable

[BigStar]

Well, if you this, you'd obviously want to put the franchise back on track with a rookie qb. I'm not sure if that guy is Johnny Football or not, but he seems like a popular choice.

2014 would essentially be forfeit but there is a lot of merit to the fact that we would be able to do huge things on defense with a rookie qb instead of a veteran qb's contract, which is largely why you see teams like Seattle and San Francisco do so well. Same with Baltimore.

As much as I like Romo, I think our resource allocation is probably a bit out of wack. I think cutting Ware and Austin will do the job of rebalancing that, but obviously trading Romo would let you do more things.

With (8-8, 8-8, 8-8), this makes a lot of sense if there is a willing trading partner. This current high-low cap franchise QB structure is not working (record above).

 

[Galian Beast]

With (8-8, 8-8, 8-8), this makes a lot of sense if there is a willing trading partner. This current high-low cap franchise QB structure is not working (record above).

The argument I would make is that by cutting Ware and Austin, and reallocating those resources towards the defensive line, we'll then be able to create a defense that will in tandem be good enough with Romo to improve that record. Potentially more so than drafting a potential bust of a QB.

 

[OhSnap]

I'm not proposing this, merely saying that it is in fact plausible.

As a fan of outside the box thinking I like your thread BUT for it to happen it would take a team willing to get rid of him and a team willing to take a risk on a player coming off back surgery with a price. The odds of those 2 things ever happening at the same time make it unplausible. But seriously your talking about tossing a good QB right when 3 years of rebuilding around him should pay dividends.

 

[BigStar]

The argument I would make is that by cutting Ware and Austin, and reallocating those resources towards the defensive line, we'll then be able to create a defense that will in tandem be good enough with Romo to improve that record. Potentially more so than drafting a potential bust of a QB.

Oh MIA and Ware have been must cuts in my perspective since the end of the season. Like I said, if Romo's back is @ 100%, than there would be no reason to look down that road but like to think of possible worst case scenarios like you presented if we had to cut ties or even possibly traded (doubtful).

 

[LatinMind]

Do the math..

Dead money will be 41,681.000, Subtract his 13.5 mil base salary. 26,181,000. Cut that in half because i believe when a player is traded it goes into 2 season. 13.09 mil, but add the 12.454 mil that was going to be gained in a restructure. 25.463mil of cap that you have to gain somehow by restructures and cuts. Without Romos restructure how does this team gain 25.463 mil? wait add the remaining 7.4 mil that Dallas still needed to get under the cap after Romos restructure. 32.863 mil over the cap. Dallas would somehow need to find enough restructures and cuts to trim 32.863 mil to get under the cap. I dont see how they can do that if Romo is traded.

Was that enough math for you? Or did it miss something?

 

[BigStar]

As a fan of outside the box thinking I like your thread BUT for it to happen it would take a team willing to get rid of him and a team willing to take a risk on a player coming off back surgery with a price. The odds of those 2 things ever happening at the same time make it unplausible. But seriously your talking about tossing a good QB right when 3 years of rebuilding around him should pay dividends.

Again, it's the back injury. You are right in that the OL is finally becoming strong and his weapons are plentiful with Dez, Wtt, TW, and Murray. If he can reincorporate the deep ball and his accuracy reverts to previous forms this wouldn't even be a needed hypothetical discussion. I was thinking of worst case scenario (cutting ties/no trade).

 

[Galian Beast]

Dead money will be 41,681.000, Subtract his 13.5 mil base salary. 26,181,000. Cut that in half because i believe when a player is traded it goes into 2 season. 13.09 mil, but add the 12.454 mil that was going to be gained in a restructure. 25.463mil of cap that you have to gain somehow by restructures and cuts. Without Romos restructure how does this team gain 25.463 mil? wait add the remaining 7.4 mil that Dallas still needed to get under the cap after Romos restructure. 32.863 mil over the cap. Dallas would somehow need to find enough restructures and cuts to trim 32.863 mil to get under the cap. I dont see how they can do that if Romo is traded.

Was that enough math for you? Or did it miss something?

Romo's current cap hit is 21.7 million. His cap hit if we trade him is 28 million. Not because it splits in two (this isn't a june cut) , but because that money is picked up by the other team (the guaranteed money).

Thus it costs 28 million to trade him as opposed to releasing him which would cost a full 41 million.

There are more than enough restructures/cuts to get get under the cap from 24 million.

 

[BigStar]

Dead money will be 41,681.000, Subtract his 13.5 mil base salary. 26,181,000. Cut that in half because i believe when a player is traded it goes into 2 season. 13.09 mil, but add the 12.454 mil that was going to be gained in a restructure. 25.463mil of cap that you have to gain somehow by restructures and cuts. Without Romos restructure how does this team gain 25.463 mil? wait add the remaining 7.4 mil that Dallas still needed to get under the cap after Romos restructure. 32.863 mil over the cap. Dallas would somehow need to find enough restructures and cuts to trim 32.863 mil to get under the cap. I dont see how they can do that if Romo is traded.

Was that enough math for you? Or did it miss something?

Damn LM, throwing salt into our game

 

[LatinMind]

Romo's current cap hit is 21.7 million. His cap hit if we trade him is 28 million. Not because it splits in two (this isn't a june cut) , but because that money is picked up by the other team (the guaranteed money).

Thus it costs 28 million to trade him as opposed to releasing him which would cost a full 41 million.

There are more than enough restructures/cuts to get get under the cap from 24 million.

The Guaranteed money always stays with the original team. The new team takes the base salary, but in trade teams usually work out a new deal with said player. Dallas would be responsible for the rest of Romos guaranteed money

 

[LatinMind]

Damn LM, throwing salt into our game

Just find it amazing how people would think Romo would be available for trade 1 yr after signing a 100mil contract with 50+mil guaranteed.

 

[Galian Beast]

The Guaranteed money always stays with the original team. The new team takes the base salary, but in trade teams usually work out a new deal with said player. Dallas would be responsible for the rest of Romos guaranteed money

My understanding is that if a player is traded their guaranteed money goes with them as long as they receive their base salary.

 

[BigStar]

Just find it amazing how people would think Romo would be available for trade 1 yr after signing a 100mil contract with 50+mil guaranteed.

I knew a trade wasn't likely, I was preparing in case that back doesn't come back to 2012 levels (leading to release after 14' season). Miss the deep ball and accuracy that was common from Romo bf last season.

 

[Nightman]

The Guaranteed money always stays with the original team. The new team takes the base salary, but in trade teams usually work out a new deal with said player. Dallas would be responsible for the rest of Romos guaranteed money

My understanding is that if a player is traded their guaranteed money goes with them as long as they receive their base salary.

Pretty sure the new team would assume the rest of the contract guarantees.

 

[LatinMind]

My understanding is that if a player is traded their guaranteed money goes with them as long as they receive their base salary.

Player cut or traded

If a player is cut before the end of his contract, theentire unamortized signing bonus money (the remaining prorated bonus money) accelerates immediately and counts against the 2013 salary cap.

The same rule applies when a player is traded or picked up by another team off the waiver wire. The signing bonus remaining on the player's contract accelerates into his old team's salary cap in 2013. The new team takes no cap hit whatsoever. In our example, the $6 million remaining unamortized signing bonus accelerates immediately as follows:

 

[Galian Beast]

Player cut or traded

If a player is cut before the end of his contract, theentire unamortized signing bonus money (the remaining prorated bonus money) accelerates immediately and counts against the 2013 salary cap.

You're confusing signing bonus and guaranteed money.

 

[BigStar]

Pretty sure the new team would assume the rest of the contract guarantees.

I know the Signing Bonus stays with the original contract team (took the time to get this point with Deion's initial contract and subsequent restructures). That new "first two years of the five year/75 million with a 30million SB is guranteed" verbiage is what can throw me. What if that player is traded after year 1? The team eats remaining SB that was pro rated and that second year salary? Or does that the new team who traded for the player pick up that guaranteed second year?

 

[Nightman]

Player cut or traded

If a player is cut before the end of his contract, theentire unamortized signing bonus money (the remaining prorated bonus money) accelerates immediately and counts against the 2013 salary cap.

The 13.5m is his base salary, not a signing bonus.

 

[Tabascocat]

Just find it amazing how people would think Romo would be available for trade 1 yr after signing a 100mil contract with 50+mil guaranteed.

That is why he is untradeable. He would be a good deal for other teams to take a risk on but it would cripple Dallas to go through with this. It was a mistake to extend Romo last year and it would be an even bigger one trading him now.

We are at the point of do or die with Romo through the 2015 season. I think that is the earliest that the Cowboys can plausibly go in another direction.

To the OP's point, yes Romo could be traded but the ramifications of such a trade makes him pretty much untradeable, specifically before the upcoming season.

 

[Risen Star]

See above. Cutler and Manning's contracts suggest otherwise.

I'm not sure how you think that applies. Peyton Manning was released. Nobody traded for him. Also, Tony Romo isn't Peyton Manning.

Cutler was traded when he was just turning 26. Without a back issue.

 

[LatinMind]

You're confusing signing bonus and guaranteed money.

Ur right. Dallas would be responsible for 28.181 mil remaining of his total prorated bonus. but i guess the money doesnt get cut into 2 yrs but only 1. So thats 28.1 mil of dead money but you minues the 13.5 mil. thats 14.6mil then add the 12.454 thats still 27 mil. and add the 7.4mil from that. thats 34mil. Then there is still a team willing to take that remaining guranteed money. Im sure Romo would want that money somehow. Its just a sticky slope anyway you want to put it. Which is what makes him untradeable.