Romo open to reworking contract in a trade

[Kaiser]

It's kind of a no-brainer. The only issue is finding more than one team capable of contending who agrees. Denver is the front runner right now, with no incentive to offer a pick if nobody else steps forward. HOU has to figure out how to work around the gaffe the had last season with Osweiler. KC actually makes the most sense as a destination to me, but they have to bite. BUF has incentive to make it work, but they're really not a good enough team right now unfortunately. I can't see Jerry letting Tony finish up in BUF when better teams want him, too.

I would add the Jets to the list, their Front Office will get massacred in the press if they go into the season with a guy like Geno Smith starting.

Romo would not only be a big upgrade, he would be able to handle the NY press where a lot of other players can't. Also playing in a media market like NY would definitely help Romo's post-career prospects in advertising deals and media jobs if he chooses to go that path.

 

[waldoputty]

Your problem is that with Stephen Jones negotiating contracts now, we don't sign back loaded deals any more.

I know. Stephen has been the solution but he could well be the bottleneck right now.

 

[Sydla]

5 year $75m $15m AAV $30m SB
2017 min ~$650k
2018-21 $11.2m a piece

2017 cap hit $6.65m

Find me a free agent DE/OLB who has signed a contract like that with such a low first year cap hit?

The closest I could find was Justin Houston but he was resigning with KC and was willing to work with the front office to make his contract work.

 

[Sydla]

The contract I proposed is pretty reasonable.
If more bonus is needed, just guarantee some of the later money.

In your eyes it's reasonable.

Now look around at the recent FA OLBs/DEs that signed contract and find one that is close to what you are proposing. As I said, I looked at Vernon, Miller, Houston and Wilkerson. Houston was the only one structured where the first year was a low cap hit and that's because Houston was willing to work with his team on a contract that helped KC early.

 

[Idgit]

Even Peyton gave 5m back to DEN...........20m is way too high and DAL was never going to pay him that much

A team that trades for him loses all leverage if they are forced to keep him at 20m....all he has to do is show up and they are on the hook....or they have to cut him

A team will invest a lot more and a lot more willingly if they have better terms.....Romo gets the guarantees he wants and the starting job he craves.....DAL gets a better pick

The deal was structured for the non-guaranteed portion to be too much. It gives the team an option, which helps the team, and the option is high (but not completely unworkable) which helps the player. It's basically insurance so that both parties have skin in the game to get an extension done if he's still playing at a high level. But that's also why it's value able to a team interested in acquiring him.

I agree with you that the obvious solution is to renegotiate after a trade. But that can happen at any point once the exchange has been made. The handcuffs on both sides make the trade option look better. On the open market, if you're bidding against the Broncos, for example, you're going to have to guarantee more up front. At Tony's age and with the history of (relatively minor) back problems, that insurance is worth the pick.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Find me a free agent DE/OLB who has signed a contract like that with such a low first year cap hit?

The closest I could find was Justin Houston but he was resigning with KC and was willing to work with the front office to make his contract work.

Why? You don't need a precedent to show the accounting works. It works just fine.

Jeremy Maclin did it too. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/jeremy-maclin-5914/

If it is "okay" for a WR to do it then it makes at least as much sense for the mroe valuable "EDGE."

 

[waldoputty]

In your eyes it's reasonable.

Now look around at the recent FA OLBs/DEs that signed contract and find one that is close to what you are proposing. As I said, I looked at Vernon, Miller, Houston and Wilkerson. Houston was the only one structured where the first year was a low cap hit and that's because Houston was willing to work with his team on a contract that helped KC early.

Well, you could be right there or not, but there is not much difference between signing bonus and guaranteed dollars if there is enough bonus.
Although other than Miller, none of them were joining a superbowl contention in which they could become the straw that stirs the drink.
Vernon and Wilkerson joined the Giants and Jets, enough said.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Suh did it.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/ndamukong-suh-6511/

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So did Wilkerson

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/muhammad-wilkerson-7745/

 

[Idgit]

I would add the Jets to the list, their Front Office will get massacred in the press if they go into the season with a guy like Geno Smith starting.

Romo would not only be a big upgrade, he would be able to handle the NY press where a lot of other players can't. Also playing in a media market like NY would definitely help Romo's post-career prospects in advertising deals and media jobs if he chooses to go that path.

I considered it, but they have fairly substantial OL issues, don't they?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fletcher Cox got a $1.2m salary his first year.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/fletcher-cox-9822/

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Vernon got $1.75m in salary last year.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/olivier-vernon-9882/

I get the impression Syd did not even look at the names he threw out contracts.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/defensive-line/

Looking at the top paid DL they all have backloaded contracts.

 

[Sydla]

So did Wilkerson

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/muhammad-wilkerson-7745/

Wilkerson was a $10MM cap hit his first year, a far cry from taking a $17MM a year play in Ingram and having his cap hit only be $6MM in year one. Even if you can turn 3 FAs that are expected to get $15MM or more annually and get their first year cap hits to $10MM, you are going to eat through all the cap space we could create reasonably.

In other words, this idea that we can go out, sign 3 top free agents, and make their cap hits be miniscule in year one is wishful thinking.

 

[Sydla]

Vernon got $1.75m in salary last year.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/olivier-vernon-9882/

I get the impression Syd did not even look at the names he threw out contracts.

Vernon was $13MM cap hit last year in his first year under contract with the Giants.

That's the point.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wilkerson was a $10MM cap hit his first year, a far cry from taking a $17MM a year play in Ingram and having his cap hit only be $6MM in year one. Even if you can turn 3 FAs that are expected to get $15MM or more annually and get their first year cap hits to $10MM, you are going to eat through all the cap space we could create reasonably.

In other words, this idea that we can go out, sign 3 top free agents, and make their cap hits be miniscule in year one is wishful thinking.

How about the other ones I linked? You wanted precedent. You got precedent. Just move on.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Vernon was $13MM cap hit last year in his first year under contract with the Giants.

That's the point.

Watt's cap hit was $4.6m his first year of his second contract. You have your precedents.

 

[Sydla]

How about the other ones I linked? You wanted precedent. You got precedent. Just move on.

Vernon was a $13MM cap hit his first year. How's that prove your point? Fletcher Cox's first year cap hit was almost $10MM.

You found one.......... Suh.

 

[Nightman]

The rule of thumb is you can do 10% of the total contract the first year, sometimes lower

Some teams like NY and PHI like more straight line accounting but it is each team's choice

The player gets the same amount of money either way

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Vernon was a $13MM cap hit his first year. How's that prove your point? Fletcher Cox's first year cap hit was almost $10MM.

You found one.......... Suh.

So I found one then. Good for me. We now know clubs do this.

I raise you Watt. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/j.j.-watt-7726/

and

Quinn http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/robert-quinn-7729/

and

Cam Jordan http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cameron-jordan-7739/