Romo open to reworking contract in a trade

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Frankly acting incredulous that NFL clubs backload contracts is amusing.

 

[Sydla]

So I found one then. Good for me. We now know clubs do this.

I raise you Watt. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/j.j.-watt-7726/

and

Quinn http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/robert-quinn-7729/

and

Cam Jordan http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cameron-jordan-7739/

What do these three players and Justin Houston have in common?

 

[Sydla]

Frankly acting incredulous that NFL clubs backload contracts is amusing.

I wasn't incredulous that teams backload contracts

I am incredulous that the Cowboys are going to sign 3 upper echelon players who all will significantly backload their contracts.

It's not happening.

 

[Kaiser]

I considered it, but they have fairly substantial OL issues, don't they?

Yes, but they should have a lot of cap room to go after OL and have the 6th pick of the draft.

I don't think its the top choice obviously but I don't think we are far away from the articles speculating about what teams are bidding on Romo, I want more teams listed in those rumors and articles.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I wasn't incredulous that teams backload contracts

I am incredulous that the Cowboys are going to sign 3 upper echelon players who all will significantly backload their contracts.

It's not happening.

Yeah you were. You said.

Find me a free agent DE/OLB who has signed a contract like that with such a low first year cap hit?

Now you are just moving around the goalposts.

Fact is that NFL teams routinely backload contracts. The somewhat compelling argument that you can make is that Stephen Jones does not backload contracts.

The issue here is that he did it with Carr when we were in considerably worse cap situation.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/brandon-carr-4372/

 

[Sydla]

Yeah you were. You said.



Now you are just moving around the goalposts.

Fact is that NFL teams routinely backload contracts. The somewhat compelling argument that you can make is that Stephen Jones does not backload contracts.

The issue here is that he did it with Carr when we were in considerably worse cap situation.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/brandon-carr-4372/

Whatever you say Fuzzy.

 

[jordan4vols]

Swapping 1sts is terrible value.... we need players not slots....... I want to trade back from 28

If you get even a 2nd for Romo that could be 3 picks instead of one trade up

The difference in 8 spots is the same point value as a 3rd. There is an entire article covering this

 

[Nightman]

The difference in 8 spots is the same point value as a 3rd. There is an entire article covering this

Value because a chart says so?????

I will always prefer the actual player over some perceived value from a made up chart

What if there are 18 players rated as 1st round picks........drafting 20 is the same as 28 ...you are throwing 'value' away and paying more for your pick

I want to trade back from 28 for this very reason

#35, #67 and a 3rd round pick for Romo is way better than just #20

 

[Nightman]

Yeah you were. You said.



Now you are just moving around the goalposts.

Fact is that NFL teams routinely backload contracts. The somewhat compelling argument that you can make is that Stephen Jones does not backload contracts.

The issue here is that he did it with Carr when we were in considerably worse cap situation.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/brandon-carr-4372/

He doesn't back load but he uses large signing bonuses, large 2nd year base salaries that get restructured and void years to spread out the cap hit for up to 7 seasons and keep the first couple seasons cap hits very low

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Yeah you were. You said.



Now you are just moving around the goalposts.

Fact is that NFL teams routinely backload contracts. The somewhat compelling argument that you can make is that Stephen Jones does not backload contracts.

The issue here is that he did it with Carr when we were in considerably worse cap situation.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/brandon-carr-4372/

Carr signed for 5 years 50M. You think that's top DE money?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Carr signed for 5 years 50M. You think that's top DE money?

No, I was talking about the structure of the contract. It was $10m AAV but only a $3.2m initial hit. That is similar in proportion to what we have been discussing if more backloaded.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Whatever you say Fuzzy.

I quoted you questioning if a player signed that type of contract. We found several including Suh who meets your current goalpost position.

I get that you don't want them to do it. I don't want them to do it either but that is besides the point.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

No, I was talking about the structure of the contract. It was $10m AAV but only a $3.2m initial hit. That is similar in proportion to what we have been discussing if more backloaded.

The dollars will be so much larger though. Of course you can do a similiar structure but the 1st year cap hit isn't going to be 3.2.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The dollars will be so much larger though. Of course you can do a similiar structure but the 1st year cap hit isn't going to be 3.2.

The number being bandied around is 6. 3 is 30% of 10. 6 is 40% of 15.

 

[jordan4vols]

Value because a chart says so?????

I will always prefer the actual player over some perceived value from a made up chart

What if there are 18 players rated as 1st round picks........drafting 20 is the same as 28 ...you are throwing 'value' away and paying more for your pick

I want to trade back from 28 for this very reason

#35, #67 and a 3rd round pick for Romo is way better than just #20

The chart used by every NFL team. Yeah that chart. If you get a Derek Barnett at 20 that's a bigger difference. Problem is, in your scenario, you're not getting the 35, 67, and 3rd for a 37 year old injured qb

 

[Nightman]

The chart used by every NFL team. Yeah that chart. If you get a Derek Barnett at 20 that's a bigger difference. Problem is, in your scenario, you're not getting the 35, 67, and 3rd for a 37 year old injured qb

Barnett isn't slipping to 20

and I didn't say 3 picks for Romo..... I used your value of a 3rd and added that to the 2 picks I got for our #28 pick that we keep instead of swapping

your way nets us pick #20 for Romo and #28
mine nets us #35, #67 and #75 for Romo and #28

 

[Cowboysfan917]

I think it just turns out to be an outright release and he signs an incentive laced contract.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Romo's deal is not all that big for a QB of his stature. And it's not got any guaranteed money. Of course he'd be willing to re-work it in favor of some guarantees. That's sort of a no-brainer, isn't it? I think it's far from a given that we wouldn't be able to trade it as-is, though.

Somebody's going to get him and they're going to look like geniuses. While other teams are going to overpay for lesser players who happen to be younger but can't play. This league is bizarre sometimes.

"His stature"? That would be personal stats and the majority 8-8 seasons, yes? And I imagine someone will invoke Marino. But Romo's stature also includes late season picks that end the 9- 7 and 12-4 good seasons.

And, yes, stout lad of the realm, some team will certainly look like a genious to pick up Romo.
Until, that is, that a western conference AFC lineman hits him like a 40 mph runaway refrigerator..
(And I apologise to you, good caretaker/dignified mod, about the careless metaphor.)

 

[Idgit]

"His stature"? That would be personal stats and the majority 8-8 seasons, yes? And I imagine someone will invoke Marino. But Romo's stature also includes late season picks that end the 9- 7 and 12-4 good seasons.

And, yes, stout lad of the realm, some team will certainly look like a genious to pick up Romo.
Until, that is, that a western AFC lineman hits him like a 40 mph runaway refrigerator...

I don't think anybody serious judges players by team accomplishments.

Take a look at his TD to INT ratios again if you're legitimately worried about that, but it's not an issue. The fact that--even with the good ratios he's got--he does actually take chances when the team is down and taking chances is necessary only makes the actual numbers more impressive, not less. If he's throwing picks for no reason or because he's not reading coverages, that's one thing. Throwing them because you're forcing balls at the end of a game when the team is trailing is another.

It's moot, anyway. Nobody who'd trade for Romo with his age and injury history would do so if they didn't think he was a very good QB in the first place, so they're not going to be thrown off by the sorts of things that throw off a lot of fans.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I don't think anybody serious judges players by team accomplishments.

Take a look at his TD to INT ratios again if you're legitimately worried about that, but it's not an issue. The fact that--even with the good ratios he's got--he does actually take chances when the team is down and taking chances is necessary only makes the actual numbers more impressive, not less. If he's throwing picks for no reason or because he's not reading coverages, that's one thing. Throwing them because you're forcing balls at the end of a game when the team is trailing is another.

It's moot, anyway. Nobody who'd trade for Romo with his age and injury history would do so if they didn't think he was a very good QB in the first place, so they're not going to be thrown off by the sorts of things that throw off a lot of fans.

Keen and logical response, robust chap!
GMs, aware of Como's fragility, will likely put him on massive doses of incentives.
I. Must go, the ghostofpelleur needs my attention .....