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I'm as enthusiastic as anyone here on Romo.

However, I have had one nagging concern......Game Tape

How much validity does the game tape theory have?

Did the competition "figure him out"?

If anyone subscribes to this theory, can they explain what might have been discovered in the analysis of Romo's game tape?

What holes exist in his game? What gives him trouble?
 

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Too much Moxie.....

Prediction: ROMO is MVP of NFL in 07-08.....and wins the SB as well.
 

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I don't buy into the "game tape theory" very much.

They only guy that knew what to do to really disrupt Tony was Sean Payton... THE guy that got him picked up by the Cowboys. Payton had worked with Tony all 4 years he'd been here so he knew EXACTLY the kinds of things that would give him trouble... and did them in our game against the Saints.

BUT, that's a very small part of the big picture.

Why did Tony fall off late in the season?

1) Our Defense stunk! If you're a QB on a team where the defense is giving up points on almost every single opponent possession, you're going to have a really tough time because you've got to try to keep up with the opposing offense.

2) Our offensive line struggled in those games. If you go back and watch the games, you'll see that Tony was hit, rushed, sacked, and had to scramble much more often in those last games than he did in his first few games. What QB is going to still perform at a super high level when his pass protection is breaking down more frequently?

3) Our running game was of very little help to us in several of those last few games. A QB without much of a running game is all on his own in most cases.

Basically, we put our entire offense on Romo's shoulders those last few games and he still performed pretty well except for 2 games.

During the month of December, Tony Romo had a QB rating of 77.1
There were 17 starting QB's with a SEASON rating lower than 77.1.
During his worst stretch, he was still better than half of the NFL's starting QB's were on the season.

He just needs to work on protecting the ball when he's scrambling and not forcing some of his throws.
 

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TEK2000;1544070 said:
I don't buy into the "game tape theory" very much.

They only guy that knew what to do to really disrupt Tony was Sean Payton... THE guy that got him picked up by the Cowboys. Payton had worked with Tony all 4 years he'd been here so he knew EXACTLY the kinds of things that would give him trouble... and did them in our game against the Saints.

BUT, that's a very small part of the big picture.

Why did Tony fall off late in the season?

1) Our Defense stunk! If you're a QB on a team where the defense is giving up points on almost every single opponent possession, you're going to have a really tough time because you've got to try to keep up with the opposing offense.

2) Our offensive line struggled in those games. If you go back and watch the games, you'll see that Tony was hit, rushed, sacked, and had to scramble much more often in those last games than he did in his first few games. What QB is going to still perform at a super high level when his pass protection is breaking down more frequently?

3) Our running game was of very little help to us in several of those last few games. A QB without much of a running game is all on his own in most cases.

Basically, we put our entire offense on Romo's shoulders those last few games and he still performed pretty well except for 2 games.

During the month of December, Tony Romo had a QB rating of 77.1
There were 17 starting QB's with a SEASON rating lower than 77.1.
During his worst stretch, he was still better than half of the NFL's starting QB's were on the season.

He just needs to work on protecting the ball when he's scrambling and not forcing some of his throws.

Couldn't agree more. Romo had plenty of valid reasons for a drop off in play.
And that drop off was still pretty good.

IF the tape theory has any merit, what is it that they would have seen?
Anyone care to speculate?
 

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sonnyboy;1544076 said:
Couldn't agree more. Romo had plenty of valid reasons for a drop off in play.
And that drop off was still pretty good.

IF the tape theory has any merit, what is it that they would have seen?
Anyone care to speculate?

that he is a damn good QB. And if you keep him in the pocket, you have a small chance at stopping him, but once he gets out of the pocket, just throw your ends up, cause its over
 

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I don't buy that theory at all. The most that any team could have gotten out of it was to contain him, not let him escape the pocket, because he is very good on the run. Some QB are pure pocket passers so if yo can flush them out, they make mistakes. Not so with Romo, he is very good on the fun, so the idea is to contain him in the pocket and make him go thru his progressions.This is the area that I think he struggled at sometimes. This is also very common with young QB's so I think he should be much better this year.

Romo can make every throw he needs to, he has a quick release and seems to be very smart. Not alot that teams are going to be able to do to change that. If our D can play decent down the stretch an our line is playing up to the potential.. Romo will take this team very far.. no matter how much game tape teams have on him.
 

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sonnyboy;1544049 said:
I'm as enthusiastic as anyone here on Romo.

However, I have had one nagging concern......Game Tape

How much validity does the game tape theory have?

Did the competition "figure him out"?

If anyone subscribes to this theory, can they explain what might have been discovered in the analysis of Romo's game tape?

What holes exist in his game? What gives him trouble?

This could probably be said about all QB's but I think he's at his worst when he's trying "too hard." Whenever he's calm and ready to go he looks near impossible to stop however when he feels like he has to make plays he makes more mistakes, like all those fumbles in the detroit game, or all the interceptions when he came in during the Giants game.

He also looks like he needs to work on his accurarcy/control with the deep ball sometimes.
 

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sonnyboy;1544049 said:
I'm as enthusiastic as anyone here on Romo.

However, I have had one nagging concern......Game Tape

How much validity does the game tape theory have?

Did the competition "figure him out"?

If anyone subscribes to this theory, can they explain what might have been discovered in the analysis of Romo's game tape?

What holes exist in his game? What gives him trouble?
Let me tell you the "Game Tape" theory that does matter.

Sean Payton and New Orleans figured us out. Sean knew our strengths and weakneses and the Saints game plan totally exposed them. Other teams after the Saints used almost carbon copies of the Saints gameplan and Parcells never adjusted.

I don't believe that Romo was "figured out" in that what is there to figure out? It's not like he's doing something no one has ever done. We played on shorter fields because offenses moved the ball with ease on us (damn dump off to the FBs) and put the offense in a constant catch up mode of play.
 

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TEK2000;1544070 said:
I don't buy into the "game tape theory" very much.

They only guy that knew what to do to really disrupt Tony was Sean Payton... THE guy that got him picked up by the Cowboys. Payton had worked with Tony all 4 years he'd been here so he knew EXACTLY the kinds of things that would give him trouble... and did them in our game against the Saints.

Agreed, but Sean Payton wasn't the one, if the game tape theory holds true, that "exposed" Romo. He started his "slide" vs. NYG, 0 TDs 2 INTs for a 58 QB rating.

Anyways, I think the game tape theory has a tiny bit of validity to it IMO. Why I say this is that nobody knew anything about Romo. Romo has been around to know a good amount about the league. So he came in and lit the world on fire. Well, surely, he has to have a weakness, right? And teams will find and eventually exploit that weakness to varying degrees of success. Now, it's up to Romo and the Boys to compensate for that weakness and try to hide it.

I don't think it's "the" reason he dropped off so much, but I think it plays into it.

TEK2000;1544070 said:
1) Our Defense stunk! If you're a QB on a team where the defense is giving up points on almost every single opponent possession, you're going to have a really tough time because you've got to try to keep up with the opposing offense.

His first 6 games, he had 180 attempts and the last 5, 157. That averages out to 30 attempts a game the first 6, and 31.4 the last 5. The stats don't bear out the Boys put the games on his shoulders, because surely his attempts would go up a lot more. *edited* For clarity purposes, it doesn't show that the Boys put the game on Romo's shoulders moreso in the latter half then in the first half.

If you disclude the first NYG since he only played a half, it's 153 attempts over the first 5 games that he started vs. 157 for the last 5. 0.8 attempts/game difference.

TEK2000;1544070 said:
2) Our offensive line struggled in those games. If you go back and watch the games, you'll see that Tony was hit, rushed, sacked, and had to scramble much more often in those last games than he did in his first few games. What QB is going to still perform at a super high level when his pass protection is breaking down more frequently?

I agree with this, he got sacked more and more each game. That, in and of itself, could be the main reason why he declined.

TEK2000;1544070 said:
3) Our running game was of very little help to us in several of those last few games. A QB without much of a running game is all on his own in most cases.

Basically, we put our entire offense on Romo's shoulders those last few games and he still performed pretty well except for 2 games.

During the month of December, Tony Romo had a QB rating of 77.1
There were 17 starting QB's with a SEASON rating lower than 77.1.
During his worst stretch, he was still better than half of the NFL's starting QB's were on the season.

He just needs to work on protecting the ball when he's scrambling and not forcing some of his throws.

I can agree, or at least see where your coming from, with most of that. The running game curtailed a bit (continuation of O-line troubles?). But he performed poorly in 3 games (NY, NO and Philly), not that it is much of a difference.
 

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You might want to stick to memorizing your ST players, firehawk.

Romo's attempts didn't increase down the stretch because we didn't have the ball as much. We had less offensive plays, had the ball less, but his attempts remained the same, as he was continually put in second and third and long. The game was most definitely on his shoulders.
 

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CrazyCowboy;1544066 said:
Too much Moxie.....

Prediction: ROMO is MVP of NFL in 07-08.....and wins the SB as well.


Dude relax give it a rest.
 

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Our D sucked and so did our OL, but you can't lay all the blame on them, Romo slide right along with them....

Romo faultered against the better defenses and had great success against the weaker ones.. Until I see Romo have success against the better defenses of the league, I will remain a bit skepticle.
 

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skicat1898;1544135 said:
Our D sucked and so did our OL, but you can't lay all the blame on them, Romo slide right along with them....

Romo faultered against the better defenses and had great success against the weaker ones.. Until I see Romo have success against the better defenses of the league, I will remain a bit skepticle.

dude,well said..I couldnt agree more..Being a Commanders fan is nice reading a quote that makes sense from cowboy fans then reading the homer bullcrap!!
 

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redskins1;1544147 said:
dude,well said..I couldnt agree more..Being a Commanders fan is nice reading a quote that makes sense from cowboy fans then reading the homer bullcrap!!

Then I hate to see what your objective thoughts would be for your own QB, who pretty much sucked against everyone.
 

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redskins1;1544147 said:
dude,well said..I couldnt agree more..Being a Commanders fan is nice reading a quote that makes sense from cowboy fans then reading the homer bullcrap!!
I've got a tip for you.

Pay less attention to trying to say outrageous things on a Cowboys forum, and more attention to the actual football related discussions at hand here you just might learn something about the game. Because quite frankly I don't think you know jack squat about the game based on what you post here, so you've got no room whatsoever to point fingers at anyone.

There's a lot less homerism than you claim. For every person on this forum who gushes about something there is another person who remains skeptical and you ignore that so you can act like a jerk and justify it.
 

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firehawk350;1544113 said:
His first 6 games, he had 180 attempts and the last 5, 157. That averages out to 30 attempts a game the first 6, and 31.4 the last 5. The stats don't bear out the Boys put the games on his shoulders, because surely his attempts would go up a lot more. *edited* For clarity purposes, it doesn't show that the Boys put the game on Romo's shoulders moreso in the latter half then in the first half.

If you disclude the first NYG since he only played a half, it's 153 attempts over the first 5 games that he started vs. 157 for the last 5. 0.8 attempts/game difference.

As superpunk pointed out, you forgot to factor in the total # of offensive plays.

We average 65.5 offensive plays in his first 6 games and 55 offensive plays in the last 5 games.

His attempts per game went up by 1.4 while the total offensive plays when down by 10.5.
First six games Romo's passes accounted for 45.8 % of the offensive plays.
Last 5 games Romo's passes accounted for 57.1 % of the offensive plays.

That definitely shows that we put more of the offensive load on his shoulders.
 

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Only thing I saw with Romo is at times he held on to the ball too long. The one thing that impressed me the most is even in less than great outing Romo found ways to keep his team in the game with a chance to win late.
 

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TEK2000;1544159 said:
As superpunk pointed out, you forgot to factor in the total # of offensive plays.

We average 65.5 offensive plays in his first 6 games and 55 offensive plays in the last 5 games.

His attempts per game went up by 1.4 while the total offensive plays when down by 10.5.
First six games Romo's passes accounted for 45.8 % of the offensive plays.
Last 5 games Romo's passes accounted for 57.1 % of the offensive plays.

That definitely shows that we put more of the offensive load on his shoulders.

I would bet that if you looked even closer, you would find that we were in more bad situations, ie 2 and 3rd and long, in the last 5 games as well, which makes it harder to successful for a QB. The total lack of a running attack means more blitzing and more pressure as well.

There are a lot of factors that play into the success of a QB. I dont know any first year starter that can put a team on his back and carry them very far. Romo finished the season with a 95QB rating.. this kid is going to be good. IMO
 
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