Romo vs Staubach and Aikman

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Yep. Unspectacular stats but good enough to win Superbowls with a great team around him.

If Romo wins a Superbowl we can peg him as having done more with less than Aikman did with his career.

I don't know how he could win with less when he'll have Dez and Zeke. Romo's never had a team as bad as that 1-15 team. They were bad at everything.

 

[KJJ]

So in your words, he basically did nothing to improve or change anything? I agree, that is exactly what he did and under the circumstances, it was the sensible thing to do, I agree but that does not prove anything about being a good HC does it? Being a good HC is about making the adjustments to put your team in a winning situations. Switzer never did that.

This is not Linehan's Offense. It may become that but it isn't right now. Linehan's offense uses a lot of passing to the backs and big WRs to the sidelines. That is not what we are running. It is not Linehan who is giving Tony the latitude to call his own plays. That is Garrett. Lets say it is Linehan, for the sake of discussion. I don't think it is but lets say it is. Wouldn't that then suggest that Linehan is responsible for our ineptitude on Offense last year and the ineffectiveness of our QB play? Can't have it both ways.

Again, I am not a Garrett fan but, he has done more then Switzer in Dallas. At least he has done something. Switzer was brought here to done nothing. We disagree.

How do you improve on those teams Switzer was left with? There was nowhere else to go but down with those teams. Despite the team being robbed of talent in free agency Switzer still managed to squeeze out one more SB win. Our 95 championship team was minus several players that helped the Cowboys win their first 2 SB's under Jimmy including Alvin Harper and Ken Norton Jr. The 95 team didn't have the depth the first 2 SB winning teams had so it took some solid coaching by Switzer to keep the team focused long enough to win that final SB. Linehan is the OC he runs the offense not Garrett. We saw a lot of passing to the backs early last season before Dunbar got hurt. McFadden had 40 receptions last season which was only 7 receptions behind his career high. Hard to throw to your big WRs when your main target is out for several games and wasn't healthy when he did play plus we were playing with backup QBs most of the season.

Linehan had to make a adjustments due to the injuries we suffered. Garrett may be giving Romo the freedom to call some of his own plays but they're plays Linehan has designed. Can't blame Linehan for the play of our backup QBs he didn't sign them. Moore was the only one he had influence on coming to Dallas because he knew him. Jerry and Garrett were the ones raving about Weeden all summer. Linehan wasn't the one who traded for Cassel. The one QB Linehan did influence coming to Dallas is still with the team. I find it humorous how you do everything possible to take credit away from Switzer, giving the credit to Aikman and try and deflect blame on Garrett and toss it on Linehan. LOL[/quote]

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Jimmy didn't understand the pro passing game either. I'm not even sure he understood pro defense all that well.

He was a great judge of talent and character, and he was the cut-throat CEO type. Fortunately for him, free agency hadn't kicked in, so he owned his players' futures. He wouldn't know how to manage a team with a salary cap and free agency to consider. (And that's why he never came back to coaching.)

I think that Jimmy's strength, as a HC was to manage and motivate players. Not every head coach could manage a player like Charles Haley. Jimmy was not all knowing when he came to Dallas but he imporoved greatly and he understood how to let his coaching staff do their thing. Those guys were his hires so that says something. However, Jimmy learned quickly and he got better with both Offense and Defense. I think he was a lot better then Switzer in his understanding of both Offense and Defense coming into it though. He had Walsh, Testevarde and Kozar and they ran a pro style offense. Defensively, those Miami teams were pretty good as well. The difference was that Jimmy would tell Jerry no and Jimmy would step in and make a call in key situations in the game. Switzer did not do that.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Bs. Aikman played with no salary cap era undisputed #1 team for half of his career. A brain dead QB could have gotten those teams to the playoffs. Romo winning a Superbowl with mountains of lesser talent would be more of an accomplishment.

Free agency started in the NFL in 1993 I believe so that's not really a true statement. I think we all know that a "Brain Dead" QB could not have done that. Jerry is a lot of things but stupid, he is not. Jerry would never have paid Troy a lifetime contract, which at the time, was easily the most lucrative in the history of the sport. That is just silly and it's not anything that you are ever going to convince anybody of. However, if that is what you believe, that is fine by me.

As I said earlier, there is zero evidence to support that Tony will win a championship or that the players around him will be of lesser talent. Lesser talent then what? Then the rest of the league? You don't know that. Troy did play in an era where the cap was not as big a part of how to construct a team in his early years but so did every other team. Tony does play in a salary cap era but so do all other QBs. Your statement is baseless. Think about it, does it really make much sense to suggest that because each played in different eras, one is better then the other? Each played with the same advantages and disadvantages every other team did. That's silly.

 

[KJJ]

Again, I am not a Garrett fan but, he has done more then Switzer in Dallas.

In Switzer's 4 seasons in Dallas he led the team to back to back 12-4 seasons and back to back conference title games including a SB win and you claim Garrett has done more than him??? Head coaches are judged by their W/L record, regular season and playoff record. Their jobs and coaching careers are tied to their W/L record.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In Switzer's 4 seasons in Dallas he led the team to back to back 12-4 seasons and back to back conference title games including a SB win and you claim Garrett has done more than him??? Head coaches are judged by their W/L record, regular season and playoff record. Their jobs and coaching careers are tied to their W/L record.

This thread has made the point that Switzer was here to change nothing. To simply keep it rolling. So if this is true, and I think we all know that it is, what exactly did he lead and how?

Head coaches are judged by win/loss records, OK. QBs are judged by the same standards and by Super Bowl wins. Yet you claim that Tony is better then Roger or Troy because why again?

 

[jnday]

Danny White led the Cowboys to 3 straight NFC Championship games and it wasn't enough to stop him from getting benched. I think Cowboy fans are just used to losing now. A playoff appearance is now a successful season. I miss the days when we were competing for championships. There is no better feeling in sports. Nowadays I just expect the worse.

I miss the days when fans Cowboy could talk smack and be arrogant because they had the team to back it up. It disgust me to see the state of the modern fans that clings to jag players and defends mediocrity. How can any sane person defend a 4-12 season? They should even try. Fans during the Landry years would not have tolerated these last 20 years.

 

[KJJ]

Free agency started in the NFL in 1993 I believe so that's not really a true statement. I think we all know that a "Brain Dead" QB could not have done that. Jerry is a lot of things but stupid, he is not. Jerry would never have paid Troy a lifetime contract, which at the time, was easily the most lucrative in the history of the sport. That is just silly and it's not anything that you are ever going to convince anybody of. However, if that is what you believe, that is fine by me.

As I said earlier, there is zero evidence to support that Tony will win a championship or that the players around him will be of lesser talent. Lesser talent then what? Then the rest of the league? You don't know that. Troy did play in an era where the cap was not as big a part of how to construct a team in his early years but so did every other team. Tony does play in a salary cap era but so do all other QBs. Your statement is baseless. Think about it, does it really make much sense to suggest that because each played in different eras, one is better then the other? Each played with the same advantages and disadvantages every other team did. That's silly.

Free agency started after the 92 season in Feb of 93 so the 92 team started being whittled away after their first SB win, that's what I was referring to. This is turning into another marathon that I don't have time for so we need to keep it between Garrett and Switzer because that's why I responded to your post. No need to go all over the map with this or we'll never be done with it. You think Garrett has done more than Switzer and that's beyond silly because head coaches are judged on their W/L record during the regular season and postseason.

 

[Jstopper]

And you children need to respect their elders. We know much more then you ever will. Children should speak only when spoken to. Follow that advice and you will learn a great deal.

Stubborn elders who don't realize that everything in their generation wasn't better? No thanks grandpa.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Free agency started after the 92 season in Feb of 93 so the 92 team started being whittled away after their first SB win that's what I was referring to. This is turning into another marathon that I don't have time for so we need to keep it between Garrett and Switzer because that's why I responded to your post. No need to go all over the map with this or we'll never be done with it. You think Garrett has done more than Switzer and that's beyond silly because head coaches are judged on their W/L record during the regular season and postseason.

This thread is about Tony, Troy and Roger so if we are sticking to anything, lets stick to that. If that is the line by which we judge, then clearly, Troy and Roger are better.

 

[RS12]

Aikman also played with no line and got hit in the chin daily his first two years. I really wish people would stop comparing eras and acted like early Tony would have competed in late 80s, early 90s ball like now

Again, look at Aikman when it counted. Balls

https://sportslistoftheday.com/2014/01/17/nfl-top-20-most-accurate-quarterbacks-in-playoff-history/

Member the Anthony Bell hit? Most of us would still be laying there.

 

[KJJ]

This thread has made the point that Switzer was here to change nothing. To simply keep it rolling. So if this is true, and I think we all know that it is, what exactly did he lead and how?

Head coaches are judged by win/loss records, OK. QBs are judged by the same standards and by Super Bowl wins. Yet you claim that Tony is better then Roger or Troy because why again?

Changes have been made under Garrett because changes had to be made he took over for a fired head coach. Wade won more games in his 4 years in Dallas (49 to 36) than Garrett did his first 4 full years as the head coach. Wade's teams made the playoffs twice in those 4 years while Garrett's teams have only made the playoffs once in 5 years. I explained in detail how Switzer led and you have yet to come up with anything to prove your claim that Garrett has done more than Switzer. When I talk about "doing more" I'm talking about doing more to win games. Doing more by making changes that continue to lead to losses and sitting home for the playoffs isn't what I consider "doing more."

 

[RS12]

Namath was a wannabe rockstar and played an average game for the AFL. You can give him that recognition without tossing him in the HOF. I'm not a fan of the HOF having someone included due to their image when nearly everyone else had to find their way in off of big play.

How old are you? I know Namath threw more picks than TDs and he was constantly injured. Of all the players that ever played in in the league, I would argue he is amongst the most responsible for the games popularity today. Guy is an icon.

 

[KJJ]

This thread is about Tony, Troy and Roger so if we are sticking to anything, lets stick to that. If that is the line by which we judge, then clearly, Troy and Roger are better.

You disagreed with someone's claim that Switzer was a better coach than Garrett and I rebutted. I just can't see how anyone can disagree on something like that. We're not going to settle this so let's move on. Hopefully on this topic you'll agree to just disagree and move on.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Changes have been made under Garrett because changes had to be made he took over for a fired head coach. Wade won more games in his 4 years in Dallas (49 to 36) than Garrett did his first 4 full years as the head coach. Wade's teams made the playoffs twice in those 4 years while Garrett's teams have only made the playoffs once in 5 years. I explained in detail how Switzer led and you have yet to come up with anything to prove your claim that Garrett has done more than Switzer. When I talk about "doing more" I'm talking about doing more to win games. Doing more by making changes that continue to lead to losses and sitting home for the playoffs isn't what I consider "doing more."

I'm a Wade fan but the truth is that he did lose the team. I think a lot of that had to do with Garrett but, that's another story. I like Wade and I've already said that if he had been given more of a chance, he would be better IMO.

Switzer lead a team that was not his own by doing nothing, the words of those who support Switzer in this thread. How exactly do you lead by doing nothing? You have yet to answer that. Garrett, IMO, by the simple virtue of actually having coached.

 

[RS12]

Im sorry, but saying Troy Aikman was a trash QB and the Joe Flacco of his era is straight up ignorant

Guy is too entrenched in his position.Cant save face now.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yep. Unspectacular stats but good enough to win Superbowls with a great team around him.

If Romo wins a Superbowl we can peg him as having done more with less than Aikman did with his career.

Compare careers in relation to where each guy ranked in relation to his peers for that season... Aikman played at a higher level than Joe Flacco.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You disagreed with someone's claim that Switzer was a better coach than Garrett and I rebutted. I just can't see how anyone can disagree that Switzer wasn't a better head coach than Garrett. We're not going to settle this so let's move on.

Hey, you are the one who wanted to only discuss Switzer and Garrett to avoid answering your point that Coaches are judged on wins and losses and that QBs are judged on Super Bowls. You called that, I didn't.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

How old are you? I know Namath threw more picks than TDs and he was constantly injured. Of all the players that ever played in in the league, I would argue he is amongst the most responsible for the games popularity today. Guy is an icon.

This thread will only frustrate you RS.

LOL...

 

[KJJ]

I'm a Wade fan but the truth is that he did lose the team. I think a lot of that had to do with Garrett but, that's another story. I like Wade and I've already said that if he had been given more of a chance, he would be better IMO.

Switzer lead a team that was not his own by doing nothing, the words of those who support Switzer in this thread. How exactly do you lead by doing nothing? You have yet to answer that. Garrett, IMO, by the simple virtue of actually having coached.

In the end Wade did lose the team but the point is he still had more success his first 4 years than Garrett did. A head coach can't simply do nothing and win games. Players still have to by into their methods or you'll lose your edge and the team. You seem to think he did nothing but sit back and go along for the ride. A head coach can't just sit back and do nothing regardless how good a team they have.