Romo vs Staubach and Aikman

[noshame]

Here your rating:
Roger
Troy
White
Tony
Dandy

 

[noshame]

Much of Romos career has been marred by bad throws and mental errors. Like it or not a significant portion of Romos career was spent like this. You cant disregard this because hes improved recently. He also sat on the bench for years and so was never thrown into the fire with little experience.

Aikman never went through a bad throws/mental errors phase and performed straight out of the box on the worst team in the league.

This guy gets it

 

[WillieBeamen]

Did you even read my post? I said he had 3 good teams, I'm not going to repeat that again. I SAID the 09 team was good, READ please. New England also beat the Giants in the regular season, and didn't beat them in the Super Bowl. They were a better team than us.

Your arguments have been terrible up to this point. This is over.

Let me put it this way since you obviously have a problem with reading comprehension.

First off, this thread has included arguments for Tony>>Troy.

You quoted me after I responded to the dude who said "If Romo had the defenses that Roger and Troy had". He's had good defenses in his career.

Yes Romo has had 3 good teams, but got us nowhere with them. He never played as well as he does in the regular season, in the playoffs. This is fact (up until 2014).

None of this is the case with Troy Aikman. He won with his good teams/defenses.

Romo has spent a majority of his career making impulse throws in crunch time that buried this team and was looked at as a laughingstock stock. This is sad, but the truth. This was with some of his Good Teams. Troy was stepping up in crunch time in big games and propelling his team to victories.

Troy Aikman is a legend in football. Its sad that fans want to rewrite history, and act as if he wasnt a great QB.

 

[Miller]

Oh, you mean the 2 fumbles he had because our offensive line was showing their age and couldn't stop an impressive defensive front? Or that INT he threw when targeting Austin when the game was looking to be out of reach anyways?

How about giving some context.

I was at the game. Flew from Houston to Minneapolis, got some scalped tickets and sat with fans in upper deck of that Metrodome dump with my brother in law. The one good thing about our seats was you could see the game at a full field level. There was no blaming the line, etc. Tony was confused and lost in that game. The Vikings were single covering our WRs with no safety help because they had him rattled. It is what I was telling you earlier in this thread. You are relentless on your excuses. When Tony had the best team in the league he folded against the Giants. When he had a chance in Seattle he dropped a snap. When he had Week 16 games to get us to the playoffs he threw multiple ints. Until the last few years that was his pattern....greatness mixed with "***." The difference between Aikman and him was that Aikman came away on top more often than not when it was nut cutting time. You can trot out one game or whatever but career in playoffs he was one of the best in history....in a time when defenses were allowed to be more aggressive and when top teams were more stacked. We have a watered down, parity league and we have done nothing despite having a statistical juggernaut in a day and age when scrub QBs put up 3000-4000 yrds a year. Yet you sit here blaming the D, the line, the coaches, etc. Tony's teams under Wade were top talent. He never had the crap days of Aikman when it was boom or bust. He's had offensive talent and chances and despite the fact that I've always stood up for him, he hasn't gotten it done. It's his albatross and that is the truth.

 

[mattjames2010]

Let me put it this way since you obviously have a problem with reading comprehension.

First off, this thread has included arguments for Tony>>Troy.

You quoted me after I responded to the dude who said "If Romo had the defenses that Roger and Troy had". He's had good defenses in his career.

Yes Romo has had 3 good teams, but got us nowhere with them. He never played as well as he does in the regular season, in the playoffs. This is fact (up until 2014).

None of this is the case with Troy Aikman. He won with his good teams/defenses.

Romo has spent a majority of his career making impulse throws in crunch time that buried this team and was looked at as a laughingstock stock. This is sad, but the truth. This was with some of his Good Teams. Troy was stepping up in crunch time in big games and propelling his team to victories.

Troy Aikman is a legend in football. Its sad that fans want to rewrite history, and act as if he wasnt a great QB.

GREAT teams, ALL-TIME teams. Note the difference. It's pretty important to the argument. You're still failing at this.

 

[mattjames2010]

I was at the game. Flew from Houston to Minneapolis, got some scalped tickets and sat with fans in upper deck of that Metrodome dump with my brother in law. The one good thing about our seats was you could see the game at a full field level. There was no blaming the line, etc. Tony was confused and lost in that game. The Vikings were single covering our WRs with no safety help because they had him rattled. It is what I was telling you earlier in this thread. You are relentless on your excuses. When Tony had the best team in the league he folded against the Giants. When he had a chance in Seattle he dropped a snap. When he had Week 16 games to get us to the playoffs he threw multiple ints. Until the last few years that was his pattern....greatness mixed with "***." The difference between Aikman and him was that Aikman came away on top more often than not when it was nut cutting time. You can trot out one game or whatever but career in playoffs he was one of the best in history....in a time when defenses were allowed to be more aggressive and when top teams were more stacked. We have a watered down, parity league and we have done nothing despite having a statistical juggernaut in a day and age when scrub QBs put up 3000-4000 yrds a year. Yet you sit here blaming the D, the line, the coaches, etc. Tony's teams under Wade were top talent. He never had the crap days of Aikman when it was boom or bust. He's had offensive talent and chances and despite the fact that I've always stood up for him, he hasn't gotten it done. It's his albatross and that is the truth.

Haha, so this is it? You were at the game...so you somehow know more than what everyone saw on TV? Did you get more insight into the workings of Romo's mind? No, you didn't.

The offensive line played poorly, it was one of the main reasons we took steps to correct it and started letting our veterans go. It was time to rebuild it. This is well-known to everyone who watched that game.

I'm really surprised by how piss poor the arguments have been in here.

 

[Miller]

Haha, so this is it? You were at the game...so you somehow know more than what everyone saw on TV? Did you get more insight into the workings of Romo's mind? No, you didn't.

The offensive line played poorly, it was one of the main reasons we took steps to correct it and started letting our veterans go. It was time to rebuild it. This is well-known to everyone who watched that game.

I'm really surprised by how piss poor the arguments have been in here.

It's surprising that you have such limited knowledge of football, eras that didn't include 2000-present and actually football players pre-2000. Your arguments have zero facts and are all excuses for a guy who has had talent and failed when given the chance.

Yes being at the game was a better vantage spot because on TV they aren't showing you the full field or how the D is setting up on every play. We had film room view of every play and every Cowboy fan in the section was yelling for Romo to go after the single coverage that they had. They were leaving guys on an island and we did nothing because Tony looked scared. You can blame the line all you want, but we were in the 2nd round of the playoffs with them and Romo wet the bed.I haven't seen one person here say Romo is a bad QB. In fact the opposite. We all acknowledge he has been a stud at times. But that doesn't hide his short comings in big games. Ones that better QBs thrived in.

Your blame everyone but the QB approach is laughable. You are young with zero practical knowledge about pro football and you just throw out plug and play talking points. Go to your room with your fatheads and posters and read up a little on the history of the game.

 

[mattjames2010]

It's surprising that you have such limited knowledge of football, eras that didn't include 2000-present and actually football players pre-2000. Your arguments have zero facts and are all excuses for a guy who has had talent and failed when given the chance.

Yes being at the game was a better vantage spot because on TV they aren't showing you the full field or how the D is setting up on every play. We had film room view of every play and every Cowboy fan in the section was yelling for Romo to go after the single coverage that they had. They were leaving guys on an island and we did nothing because Tony looked scared. You can blame the line all you want, but we were in the 2nd round of the playoffs with them and Romo wet the bed.I haven't seen one person here say Romo is a bad QB. In fact the opposite. We all acknowledge he has been a stud at times. But that doesn't hide his short comings in big games. Ones that better QBs thrived in.

Your blame everyone but the QB approach is laughable. You are young with zero practical knowledge about pro football and you just throw out plug and play talking points. Go to your room with your fatheads and posters and read up a little on the history of the game.

You had film room view? Haha, here let's do this, okay? Let's refresh everyone's memory of the game.



Full game. Romo under constant pressure, he was sacked 6 times. Come back when you have better argumentative skills. Halfway through the second quarter: Already 3 sacks and 8 hits on Romo's 17 dropbacks.

But you had "film room view", so your eye test trumps the statistics and reality.

 

[Miller]

You had film room view? Haha, here let's do this, okay? Let's refresh everyone's memory of the game.



Full game. Romo under constant pressure, he was sacked 6 times. Come back when you have better argumentative skills.

What does that TV film prove? You blame the line. I'm telling you I was there seeing the whole field and he could have checked out and gone one on one a ton. It's a simple point. Sacked 6 times doesn't mean it was all on the line. He did run for his life at times and other times he wet the bed. It's that simple. In fact you should really look at the TV thing you just connected. First drive they had no issues until Romo dropped a snap. and 28:55 when we have second and goal..another drive,,..and Romo has time but gets happy feet and runs into a sack.

My profession for 18 yrs has been argumentative skills. It's why I laugh when I see people like you spin nonsense in circles and start to crawdad when their global view turns into a single game view when shown the error of their ways. Despite a list showing Aikman as one of the top QBs in NFL HISTORY in the playoffs you have taken to picking out a season or two or a game of Troys or looking for excuses for Tony like my favorite "did Roger or Troy ever have to hold." It's pretty pathetic.

 

[mattjames2010]

What does that film prove? You blame the line. I'm telling you I was there seeing the whole field and he could have checked out and gone one on one a ton. It's a simple point. Sacked 6 times doesn't mean it was all on the line. He did run for his life at times and other times he wet the bed. It's that simple.

My profession for 18 yrs has been argumentative skills. It's why I laugh when I see people like you spin nonsense in circles and start to crawdad when their global view turns into a single game view when shown the error of their ways. Despite a list showing Aikman as one of the top QBs in NFL HISTORY in the playoffs you have taken to picking out a season or two or a game of Troys or looking for excuses for Tony like my favorite "did Roger or Troy ever have to hold." It's pretty pathetic.

Oh, you were THERE? Oh gosh, well, let me ignore what I'm seeing in the full game, because...HoustonFrog who won't accept defeat thinks his eye test trumps all.

Stay the forum old timer, and please, don't ever try a career in coaching football.

Despite a list showing Aikman as one of the top QBs in NFL HISTORY in the playoffs

We've been through this, Aikman played great in the 3 seasons we won the Super Bowl. You understand the playoffs outside of those years factor in as well, right? You can't just ignore those post seasons because it doesn't fit your narrative, it was part of his career. Sorry, but that's how it works.

If you bring up those post seasons, you have to bring up the rest. You know why his post season rating dropped from 100 to 88 by the end of his career? Because he was AWFUL in the playoffs after the 1995 season.

 

[WillieBeamen]

GREAT teams, ALL-TIME teams. Note the difference. It's pretty important to the argument. You're still failing at this.

Are you serious? He also played against great all-time teams. Those 90s Bills, Packers, and 49ers we also really great teams.

 

[Miller]

Oh, you were THERE? Oh gosh, well, let me ignore what I'm seeing in the full game, because...HoustonFrog who won't accept defeat thinks his eye test trumps all.

Stay the forum old timer, and please, don't ever try a career in coaching football.



We've been through this, Aikman played great in the 3 seasons we won the Super Bowl. You understand the playoffs outside of those years factor in as well, right? You can't just ignore those post seasons because it doesn't fit your narrative, it was part of his career. Sorry, but that's how it works.

If you bring up those post seasons, you have to bring up the rest. You know why his post season rating dropped from 100 to 88 by the end of his career? Because he was AWFUL in the playoffs after the 1995 season.

Again, rinse, repeat....yeah its called seeing the whole field...safeties and all and I already blew your line theory in 2 plays on TV with the dropped snap and running into the sack at 28:55. You should stick with not writing a thing because you've embarrassed yourself for 20 pages now...starting with your garbage comment(you never watched the guys career from start to finish this can't comment on the seasons like 89 because all you have is a spreadsheet)....to now.

Did you know John Elway has a 79.5 passer rating in the playoffs for his career. Does that make his crappy since you probably never saw him play and you go only on stats? Staubach was 76.0 rating. Brady an 88.0. Even Montana at 95.6 wasn't at some mythical area you expect. Yeah Troy was so awful in the post-season that his career playoff record is 11-5..even with losing the last 3...and his completion percentage is the 8th highest in playoff history. How AWFUL. Again how was Tony in the playoffs when we were the #1 seed? That's right 50% and a loss. Troy never did that with his best team and that is where you sound like a moron. Oh yeah he fumbled a win away too. Oh yeah he looks great though because he throws 50 times in games.

 

[mattjames2010]

Again, rinse, repeat....yeah its called seeing the whole field...safeties and all and I already blew your line theory in 2 plays on TV with the dropped snap and running into the sack at 28:55. You should stick with not writing a thing because you've embarrassed yourself for 20 pages now...starting with your garbage comment(you never watched the guys career from start to finish this can't comment on the seasons like 89 because all you have is a spreadsheet)....to now.

Did you know John Elway has a 79.5 passer rating in the playoffs for his career. Does that make his crappy since you probably never saw him play and you go only on stats? Staubach was 76.0 rating. Brady an 88.0. Even Montana at 95.6 wasn't at some mythical area you expect. Yeah Troy was so awful in the post-season that his career playoff record is 11-5..even with losing the last 3...and his completion percentage is the 8th highest in playoff history. How AWFUL. Again how was Tony in the playoffs when we were the #1 seed? That's right 50% and a loss. Troy never did that with his best team and that is where you sound like a moron. Oh yeah he fumbled a win away too. Oh yeah he looks great though because he throws 50 times in games.

Running into the sack? Holy crap, you can't even evaluate tape! Dude, he freakin' got pressure due to our RT getting destroyed on the edge, which forced him to move, which resulted in the sack. We're done here, if you can't evaluate that video correctly, you having "better view" during gameday 7 years ago means absolutely nothing to me. Wow.

Yeah Troy was so awful in the post-season that his career playoff record is 11-5..even with losing the last 3...and his completion percentage is the 8th highest in playoff history.

Actually, I stated Troy had some fantastic playoff runs and was trash in the others. If you're going to address me, do it correctly. We're finished here, you're providing nothing new, you can't evaluate tape, and I remember you now. The internet lawyer.

Go ahead and have the last word. Quit your day job, I doubt you're any good at it.

 

[mattjames2010]

Are you serious? He also played against great all-time teams. Those 90s Bills, Packers, and 49ers we also really great teams.

...those teams didn't have the overall talent we did. Do some of you not understand the type of team we had after the Minnesota trade and the Jimmy drafts? The comparisons are the 80s 49ers and 70s Steelers. That's how good our overall team was.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Troy is Biadasz. Roger was/is a patriot and a Biadasz. Both are field generals and highly respected throughout the NFL. The reason is because they are Biadasz.

 

[Miller]

...those teams didn't have the overall talent we did. Do some of you not understand the type of team we had after the Minnesota trade and the Jimmy drafts? The comparisons are the 80s 49ers and 70s Steelers. That's how good our overall team was.

Except they did have talent that was close and I already went through that 49ers roster. Teams at the top were top heavy..not like now where its watered down.

 

[Miller]

Running into the sack? Holy crap, you can't even evaluate tape! Dude, he freakin' got pressure due to our RT getting destroyed on the edge, which forced him to move, which resulted in the sack. We're done here, if you can't evaluate that video correctly, you having "better view" during gameday 7 years ago means absolutely nothing to me. Wow.



Actually, I stated Troy had some fantastic playoff runs and was trash in the others. If you're going to address me, do it correctly. We're finished here, you're providing nothing new, you can't evaluate tape, and I remember you now. The internet lawyer.

Go ahead and have the last word. Quit your day job, I doubt you're any good at it.

It should mean something because you were in Ninja Turtle Underoos when you watched this game and really have zero clue about the game

Right, get personal. Internet Lawyer? I'm a real one and I'll gladly give you my info if you want and send you the firms I worked at. If you're going to call people out, at least be ready to not look stupid. You've been here for 20 pages arguing with 10 different people on subjects you know nothing about. Myself and another poster spoke of the Cardinal game in 89 when Troy brought us back and threw a TD while getting knocked out under the chin. You don't know that because you didn't see that season or game and you just look at the stat line of a 1-15 team with ZERO TALENT and say "garbage." Other posters, like myself and many others have talked to you about growing up in the 70s and seeing Roger and the Steelers and other great teams play. We talk of the 80s teams that were loaded....hell Danny White had great stats and won more in the playoffs than Tony. He was in 4 NFL Championship games. Yet you have one frame of reference and have ignored every factual post because you have an excuse for every time Tony failed. You throw out Aikman's passer rating as a negative and yet when I show you other greats and theirs you ignore it. It's what you do...ignore fact, skip Tony's failure and make excuses. You are right, we should stop because you won't stop excusing a bad take "Troy was garbage besides 3 yrs"...which has gone down from 4 earlier and that Tony never catches a break. Go put on your new Chewbaca mask and your deep dark childhood memories of 2005 and stop.

 

[jnday]

Let me put it this way since you obviously have a problem with reading comprehension.

First off, this thread has included arguments for Tony>>Troy.

You quoted me after I responded to the dude who said "If Romo had the defenses that Roger and Troy had". He's had good defenses in his career.

Yes Romo has had 3 good teams, but got us nowhere with them. He never played as well as he does in the regular season, in the playoffs. This is fact (up until 2014).

None of this is the case with Troy Aikman. He won with his good teams/defenses.

Romo has spent a majority of his career making impulse throws in crunch time that buried this team and was looked at as a laughingstock stock. This is sad, but the truth. This was with some of his Good Teams. Troy was stepping up in crunch time in big games and propelling his team to victories.

Troy Aikman is a legend in football. Its sad that fans want to rewrite history, and act as if he wasnt a great QB.

Rewriting history is a ongoing thing in this day in time.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Much of Romos career has been marred by bad throws and mental errors. Like it or not a significant portion of Romos career was spent like this. You cant disregard this because hes improved recently. He also sat on the bench for years and so was never thrown into the fire with little experience.

Aikman never went through a bad throws/mental errors phase and performed straight out of the box on the worst team in the league.

This is why some of us have been so critical of Romo. Some of his supporters are willing to trash HOF Cowboys in order to make Romo look better than he is. Tony is a great QB but the guy has made mistakes in big games. He just cannot escape that. It's part of his legacy. I hope he can finally win a SB but even if he does, he isn't going to pass Aikman. There is nothing wrong with being the 3rd best QB of the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[jnday]

Oh, you were THERE? Oh gosh, well, let me ignore what I'm seeing in the full game, because...HoustonFrog who won't accept defeat thinks his eye test trumps all.

Stay the forum old timer, and please, don't ever try a career in coaching football.



We've been through this, Aikman played great in the 3 seasons we won the Super Bowl. You understand the playoffs outside of those years factor in as well, right? You can't just ignore those post seasons because it doesn't fit your narrative, it was part of his career. Sorry, but that's how it works.

If you bring up those post seasons, you have to bring up the rest. You know why his post season rating dropped from 100 to 88 by the end of his career? Because he was AWFUL in the playoffs after the 1995 season.

And Romo has benefitted from never having to play the great defense's that teams had before free agency started and teams became watered down. The rules protecting the QB has helped him, because with his injury history, he couldn't survive one season of hits like Troy took his rookie season. Romo's receivers also have rules that keeps them from being roughed up. You keep putting Troy down for the last few years of his career, but he wouldn't have been allowed to play in the current NFL with all the concussions that he had. If you want to know how Troy would play in today's game, you can rest assured that he would have been on the same level as Brady or Manning. You know, the level above Romo.