Ron Fields

[BAT]

Nice write up and clip right here...

http://nfldraftdiamonds.com/draft-diamonds-prospect-interview-ronald-fields-db-texas-commerce/

Fields also stood out on the Saturday video. While it is apparent that he needs to gain more strength, he is still able to play sticky press coverage and is very good at re-directing. His anticipation also helps his lack of long speed. So he was already a guy I was rooting for before I learned that he wanted to go to Hawaii.

 

[JBell]

4.69 40, 29 inch vert, 4.51 short shuttle, 7.40 three cone.

That would probably put him as the worst athlete in the league @ CB.

Guys like Richard Sherman and Sean Smith are pretty good athletes on top of being tall.

 

[Aven8]

He does lack combine explosion but he looks like he can make up for it with quick feet, recognition of the football, and a reach that should give him a advantage in press coverage.

Out of the videos I saw he played press as well as Jones, maybe better because of that length.

 

[speedkilz88]

A college football player that never ran a 40 before?

Small school kid? Have you ever seen the combine. They are sticklers about movement when running the 40. They stop guys repeatedly. Some guys just don't have track experience.

 

[BAT]

4.69 40, 29 inch vert, 4.51 short shuttle, 7.40 three cone.

That would probably put him as the worst athlete in the league @ CB.

Guys like Richard Sherman and Sean Smith are pretty good athletes on top of being tall.

Scouts thought Everson Walls was to slow to play in NFL too with his 4.72 40 time. All this small school UDFA did was lead the league in INTs in 3 different seasons (league record) and make 4 pro bowls.

 

[XxTDxX]

The man looks malnourished so I am not too worried about his measurables. He comes from a small program. Give him some time with a professional strength and conditioning staff where he can gain 10 pounds of good lean muscle and I gauruntee you he will run faster and jump higher. He stood out to me in both training camp live videos and his film was really good. To be honest I would rather take a 6'3 guy that runs 4.7 with a 30 inch vert who knows how to use his size than to have a 5'10 guy who runs 4.55 and jumps 35 inches. Neither guy in that scenario is an outstanding athlete bit the 6'3 guy has rare size for the position and if he has a feel for how to use his size he can make up for the lack of explosiveness

 

[Bullflop]

Well, he'll be strenuously tested in camp. He'll either stand up to the test or he won't. We've again gotten some outstanding talents on board this year, as always. Some of them always seem to spring up from nowhere but every year, they just keep coming. The Cowboys always seem to attract the free agents that show surprising abilities year after year. It's more than likely we'll be seeing some pleasant surprises surface again real soon. It's amazing.

 

[EmDiggy]

Where I grade someone and where they're actually drafted are 2 different things. People also laughed at my 1st Rd grade on Russell Wilson, Alshon Jeffery, and Vontaze Burfict. If he gets the opportunity, Fields will definitely surprise. And to be completely honest, he's a better "football" player than Jones but Jones is the better athlete.

 

[BlindFaith]

And to be completely honest, he's a better "football" player than Jones but Jones is the better athlete.

I think I'd tap the breaks on any more comments like this. Who exactly was Ron Fields covering in college?

 

[xwalker]

How does this guy go undrafted??

He looked fantastic in drills yesterday as well.


Glorydaysrback,

If you're reading this thread this is one of the guys I was talking about.

I watched all of his snaps in 1 complete game. It looked like an instructional video on how to play CB. He does appear to lack deep speed in game footage, but he has very good short/medium area quickness.

 

[Stash]

Where I grade someone and where they're actually drafted are 2 different things.

So then what's the value of giving that rank at all? Where they're actually drafted is a real thing. If they're "two different things", only one appears to have true value.

People also laughed at my 1st Rd grade on Russell Wilson, Alshon Jeffery, and Vontaze Burfict. If he gets the opportunity, Fields will definitely surprise. And to be completely honest, he's a better "football" player than Jones but Jones is the better athlete.

While there is certainly a discrepancy between your grades and some of their actual draft positions, this difference is as extreme as you can get.

You have Fields listed as a '1st rounder' with comparisons to the best cornerback in the game in Richard Sherman and the entire NFL said the complete opposite in the fact that he went completely undrafted.

At this point, either you or the entire NFL draft community is going to look very bad. For both your sake, and the Cowboys', I very much hope you turn out to be right!

 

[DeaconMoss]

I think Tim Scott has a real chance to make this team.

Scott is a CB, not a safety. If the real Tim Scott shows up at camp, yeah he can play.

 

[BlindFaith]

Scott is a CB, not a safety. If the real Tim Scott shows up at camp, yeah he can play.

He's a safety.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

So then what's the value of giving that rank at all? Where they're actually drafted is a real thing. If they're "two different things", only one appears to have true value.



While there is certainly a discrepancy between your grades and some of their actual draft positions, this difference is as extreme as you can get.

You have Fields listed as a '1st rounder' with comparisons to the best cornerback in the game in Richard Sherman and the entire NFL said the complete opposite in the fact that he went completely undrafted.

At this point, either you or the entire NFL draft community is going to look very bad. For both your sake, and the Cowboys', I very much hope you turn out to be right!

I think he meant that he has been right about some prospects while the NFL has been wrong. Then he gave some examples to prove his point. Hopefully Fields will be another example.

 

[EmDiggy]

I think I'd tap the breaks on any more comments like this. Who exactly was Ron Fields covering in college?

Vernon Johnson who's in camp with the Lions and was one of the top WRs in D2. Plus, focus on traits and not who their playing b/c traits are what translate

 

[Stash]

I think he meant that he has been right about some prospects while the NFL has been wrong. Then he gave some examples to prove his point. Hopefully Fields will be another example.

I hope so.

But the examples he provided were drafted a few rounds later (or less) than where he had them ranked. The Fields example is as polar opposite in rankings as you can possible have.

If he's right, both he and the Cowboys look like geniuses and the rest of the league look like fools. If not...

 

[EmDiggy]

So then what's the value of giving that rank at all? Where they're actually drafted is a real thing. If they're "two different things", only one appears to have true value.



While there is certainly a discrepancy between your grades and some of their actual draft positions, this difference is as extreme as you can get.

You have Fields listed as a '1st rounder' with comparisons to the best cornerback in the game in Richard Sherman and the entire NFL said the complete opposite in the fact that he went completely undrafted.

At this point, either you or the entire NFL draft community is going to look very bad. For both your sake, and the Cowboys', I very much hope you turn out to be right!

The value of the rank is based off what I would do and what I look for in a prospect. I'm not in NFL War Rooms, so I can't play the speculation game that many play. The "He should be drafted here" game is futile in my opinion. People read, listen and watch you for your take on something, not just for 'what you heard' or 'here's what they might do'. For instance, I've been contacted by a few teams that have seen some of these Film Sessions (both past and this year) and said that they've brought in a player based off my breakdown. Now...how true that is, I can't call it; nice ego boost tho

However, to address your 2nd point. If a player is talented, but doesn't get the opportunity, is he not still talented? Prime example. I graded Jeff Mathews (Cornell) as a 2nd round QB last year. He was cut in camp w/the Falcons, bounced around practice squads last year and just got signed by the Hamilton Tiger Cats where he may be the starter this year! He only threw 1 pass for ATL in the preseason but never really got the opportunity in practice or in games. The talent was still there and he'll get that opportunity north of the border. So, It's just about opportunity for a lot of these guys. Another example would be how Terrelle Pryor keeps getting bounced around, yet Ryan Fitzpatrick & Matt Cassel keep getting contracts. You can't tell me that they are better QBs than Pryor.

 

[BlindFaith]

Where I grade someone and where they're actually drafted are 2 different things. People also laughed at my 1st Rd grade on Russell Wilson, Alshon Jeffery, and Vontaze Burfict. If he gets the opportunity, Fields will definitely surprise. And to be completely honest, he's a better "football" player than Jones but Jones is the better athlete.

Not sure if you're serious about some of your "rankings" or what. I just looked back at your 2014 rankings.

Jeff Mathews and David Fales in your top 5 at QB?
Lache Seastrunk and Storm Johnson as your top 2 RBs?

You seem to throw a lot against the board and when you're lucky enough to have something stick, you try and make a point of it.

 

[Stash]

The value of the rank is based off what I would do and what I look for in a prospect. I'm not in NFL War Rooms, so I can't play the speculation game that many play. The "He should be drafted here" game is futile in my opinion. People read, listen and watch you for your take on something, not just for 'what you heard' or 'here's what they might do'. For instance, I've been contacted by a few teams that have seen some of these Film Sessions (both past and this year) and said that they've brought in a player based off my breakdown. Now...how true that is, I can't call it; nice ego boost tho

Firstly, thanks for taking the time to respond. But I would contend that if you're not ranking them in terms of being drafted in the first round, you should be using a different term. If they're 'two different things', they shouldn't be referred to in the same manner.

However, to address your 2nd point. If a player is talented, but doesn't get the opportunity, is he not still talented? Prime example. I graded Jeff Mathews (Cornell) as a 2nd round QB last year. He was cut in camp w/the Falcons, bounced around practice squads last year and just got signed by the Hamilton Tiger Cats where he may be the starter this year! He only threw 1 pass for ATL in the preseason but never really got the opportunity in practice or in games. The talent was still there and he'll get that opportunity north of the border. So, It's just about opportunity for a lot of these guys. Another example would be how Terrelle Pryor keeps getting bounced around, yet Ryan Fitzpatrick & Matt Cassel keep getting contracts. You can't tell me that they are better QBs than Pryor.

In my opinion, talent finds opportunity, talent makes opportunity. Plenty of undrafted players make NFL rosters every year, so the process is far from perfect. But, other than extenuating circumstances like La'el Collins, 1st round talents do not go undrafted.

There's got to be something about Pryor that keeps him bouncing from team to team, and it's very likely a cerebral thing.

I very much hope that your assessment of Fields turns out to be the correct one and that the Cowboys are the beneficiaries of everyone else missing 'the next Richard Sherman'. As a fan, it would be a great 'make up call' for passing on Sherman the first time. And Dallas certainly can use some help at cornerback, no matter where it comes from.

Again, thanks for taking the time to respond, I very much respect your ambition and determination and wish you great success in your endeavors.

 

[BlindFaith]

Vernon Johnson who's in camp with the Lions and was one of the top WRs in D2. Plus, focus on traits and not who their playing b/c traits are what translate

Yeah, one of the top WRs in D2 and he went undrafted. And they played on the same team.

I guy at that level has to look like a man among boys to have a shot. That's the trait. Or traits like speed, strength, size. You know, measurables. Which he has none of.

Sure, guys like this can and have made teams. But it's a loooooong shot.