Rookie Seasons: Dak vs R Wilson

[Blackspider214]

Did a little digging around Russell Wilson's rookie year. I compare Dak to him the most. Both came into similar situations. Drafted 3rd and 4th round respectively. None were supposed to be the starter. Seattle just signed Matt Flynn since he was the flavor of the month due to one single game with GB the very last game of 2011. Only difference is Russell just won the job outright. Dak got the job because of 2 injuries. But that's irrelevant, though.

Russell's final regular season stats were 26TDs/10 INT and a 64% completion percentage. A passer rating of 100. He was sacked 33 times for a loss of 203yds. He also had 489yds rushing and 4 TDs. Yards/attempt 7.93.

With 3 games to go, Dak's stats are as follows:
20 TDs/4 INTs and a 66% completion percentage. A passer rating of 102.7. He has been sacked 21 times for 117yds. He has 218 rushing yds and 5TDs. Yards/attempt 7.95

They are about as similar as you can get for their rookie years. Now here are their 2 worst games of their respective rookie seasons. I am going by passer rating.

R Wilson (Game #7) @SF Niners (L 6-13) 9/23 122yds 0TDs/1 INT. 39% Sacked 2 times for 7 yards. Yards/attempt 5.30 Passer rating 38.7
(Game #4) @ Rams (L 13-19) 17/25 160yds 0TDS/3 INTs. 68% Sacked 2 times for 20 yards. Yards/attempt 6.40 Passer rating 45.8

Dak (Game #13) @Giants (L 7-10) 17/37 165yds 1TD/2INTs 46%. Sacked 3 times for 13 yards. Yards/attempt 4.46 Passer rating 45.4
(Game #1) vs Giants (L 19-20) 25/45 227 yds. 0TDS/0 INTs 56%. Sacked 0 times. Yards/attempt 5.04 Passer rating 69.4

Did Seattle panic and make a move? No. They stayed the course. Dak and Wilson are very similar their rookie years. Too many knee jerked over one poor game. But he's a damn rookie. Hell Peyton Manning as a seasoned vet has had putrid games in the playoffs. It happens. Too many people got a fogged brain and did not step away and realize what was happening. Dak still has a lot to learn but he's playing great this season. And one little off day and the pitchforks come out. Everyone just chill out.

 

[gmoney112]

And Wilson just had an absolute stinker of a game.

 

[Hawkeye19]

Good post. I agree. Mostly...lemme explain:

If Dak responds to the adversity and leads us to a win on Sun, everything is hunky-dory. BUT-- if he loses 2 in a row in Dec and we slip to only having a one game lead on the Giants and our offense remains inept-- we HAVE to make a change. HAVE TO.

Not because Dak isn't the future and has all of a sudden become a bad QB. No. It's because this has become about winning the SB this year. How often are you in position to lock up HFA in Dec? Rarely. We need to roll with Romo if Dak continues to struggle. Period. Thank Dak and honor him for his performance this year-- but we need to do everything we can do to win NOW. We may not be back here for a while. Nothing is guaranteed and this is too important to the team to let Dak have a "learning moment."

Either he can prove he can win in Dec, or we roll with Romo. Dak has done enough to show that he can play in this league and he's earned the respect of this team. But it is put-up-or-shut-up time. 2-24 on 3rd down over the past 2 games is HORRID. Has to change or we won't win the NFCE let alone make a deep playoff run.

 

[mattjames2010]

Russel Wilson got progressively better his rookie season. You are comparing an October game with a December game.

How did Wilson do in December that year?

9 TDs, 2 INTs, only one game below 100 rating and won every game in December.

 

[Kevinicus]

Romo = Matt Flynn?

What were RG3's numbers again? You know, the guy with the rookie record for passer rating.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

Can we all agree Dak is the future for the QB position?

Because it seems like some posters are ready to move on completely and aren't convinced he'll be a good QB.

 

[gmoney112]

Russel Wilson got progressively better his rookie season. You are comparing an October game with a December game.

How did Wilson do in December that year?

9 TDs, 2 INTs, only one game below 100 rating and won every game in December.

Yeah, only two of those teams, out of 5, had a winning record. Dak actually had a higher rating against the Vikes than Wilson had against one of those two teams with a winning record (Chicago). And before you say, "BUT YARDS!!!", the only other winning team Seattle beat in December he had 170 yards passing.

Then he got to the playoffs and promptly threw for under a 100 rating but they won anyway because the Doomsday Defense shut down Washington.

I'm not even trying to hate on Wilson, it's just that your argument is stupid. Carry on.

 

[mattjames2010]

Yeah, only two of those teams, out of 5, had a winning record. Dak actually had a higher rating against the Vikes than Wilson had against one of those two teams with a winning record (Chicago). And before you say, "BUT YARDS!!!", the only other winning team Seattle beat in December he had 170 yards passing.

Then he got to the playoffs and promptly threw for under a 100 rating but they won anyway because the Doomsday Defense shut down Washington.

I'm not even trying to hate on Wilson, it's just that your argument is stupid. Carry on.

No, not "but yards" - lack of critical third down conversions. 0 third down conversions through the air, lack of yards through the air, not as dynamic on his feet, lack of pocket presence, mechanics regressing, accuracy is poorer.

"Your argument is stupid"

Did Russel Wilson, yes or no, progressively get better as the season went on in Seattle? Has Dak regressed the last few games, yes or or? Answers to both are yes.

Wilson accounted for 13 of the TDs scored in December his rookie season. 9 through the air and 4 on the ground. He also averaged about 8.5 yards a pass. Everything he was doing GOT BETTER in the hardest month of football.

Dak is failing. There is no comparison here, Wilson got better and Dak regressed. Attempt to counter, please I would love to see these mental gymnastics.

As for the "playoff" nonsense that you attempted to discredit. That was a hard fought game, both defenses got after RGIII and Wilson pretty good. Wilson took 5 sacks, still found a way to win the game.

The next week, he played damn good football and that "doomsday defense" gave up 30 points. Yet again, Wilson got better when it mattered.

 

[Oh_Canada]

And Wilson just had an absolute stinker of a game.

Romo's last game was worse.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Russel Wilson got progressively better his rookie season. You are comparing an October game with a December game.

How did Wilson do in December that year?

9 TDs, 2 INTs, only one game below 100 rating and won every game in December.

Did you check Brady's first year starter logs? He was horrible right about the same time and that was his second year in the league. Guess he kept regressing as well right?

 

[mattjames2010]

Can we all agree Dak is the future for the QB position?

Because it seems like some posters are ready to move on completely and aren't convinced he'll be a good QB.

No. We don't have a lot invested in Dak, he's not a first rounder who we gave up multiple picks for so that we are stuck with him.

Heck, he could play the rest of the year well and I still won't be calling him that. I made the mistake of doing it before the season started. For all we know, he goes full RGIII next year if he hasn't already.

 

[plymkr]

Romo = Matt Flynn?

What were RG3's numbers again? You know, the guy with the rookie record for passer rating.

This is what I was going to say. Matt Flynn is no Tony Romo. Basically Flynn played in one game and cane from Green Bay that has a reputation for good QBs. Romo is a top 5 QB when healthy. Seattle didn't have much of a choice but to stay with Wilson. We have a choice.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Did a little digging around Russell Wilson's rookie year. I compare Dak to him the most. Both came into similar situations. Drafted 3rd and 4th round respectively. None were supposed to be the starter. Seattle just signed Matt Flynn since he was the flavor of the month due to one single game with GB the very last game of 2011. Only difference is Russell just won the job outright. Dak got the job because of 2 injuries. But that's irrelevant, though.

Russell's final regular season stats were 26TDs/10 INT and a 64% completion percentage. A passer rating of 100. He was sacked 33 times for a loss of 203yds. He also had 489yds rushing and 4 TDs. Yards/attempt 7.93.

With 3 games to go, Dak's stats are as follows:
20 TDs/4 INTs and a 66% completion percentage. A passer rating of 102.7. He has been sacked 21 times for 117yds. He has 218 rushing yds and 5TDs. Yards/attempt 7.95

They are about as similar as you can get for their rookie years. Now here are their 2 worst games of their respective rookie seasons. I am going by passer rating.

R Wilson (Game #7) @SF Niners (L 6-13) 9/23 122yds 0TDs/1 INT. 39% Sacked 2 times for 7 yards. Yards/attempt 5.30 Passer rating 38.7
(Game #4) @ Rams (L 13-19) 17/25 160yds 0TDS/3 INTs. 68% Sacked 2 times for 20 yards. Yards/attempt 6.40 Passer rating 45.8

Dak (Game #13) @Giants (L 7-10) 17/37 165yds 1TD/2INTs 46%. Sacked 3 times for 13 yards. Yards/attempt 4.46 Passer rating 45.4
(Game #1) vs Giants (L 19-20) 25/45 227 yds. 0TDS/0 INTs 56%. Sacked 0 times. Yards/attempt 5.04 Passer rating 69.4

Did Seattle panic and make a move? No. They stayed the course. Dak and Wilson are very similar their rookie years. Too many knee jerked over one poor game. But he's a damn rookie. Hell Peyton Manning as a seasoned vet has had putrid games in the playoffs. It happens. Too many people got a fogged brain and did not step away and realize what was happening. Dak still has a lot to learn but he's playing great this season. And one little off day and the pitchforks come out. Everyone just chill out.

If there was ever a sign that Romo was going in, it's the sheer panic of card-carrying Romo haters since Sunday night...

 

[ksadler1]

Russel Wilson got progressively better his rookie season. You are comparing an October game with a December game.

How did Wilson do in December that year?

9 TDs, 2 INTs, only one game below 100 rating and won every game in December.

Since you want to play it that way, lets compare last weeks games alone. Russell, the seasoned all-pro vs Dak the rookie.....

 

[mattjames2010]

Did you check Brady's first year starter logs? He was horrible right about the same time and that was his second year in the league. Guess he kept regressing as well right?

Brady didn't start his first year. His first year starting he won a freakin' Super Bowl. Also, Brady wasn't progressively getting worse throughout the season. Everyone remembers the season Brady had, no he didn't have everything on his shoulders, but Brady was not putting his team in positions to lose. He also did not have the talent we had on his offense, that team was defensive.

Dak has no excuses here to play as poorly as he has. Too much talent on this offense to play like a scrub Browns castoff QB.

 

[mattjames2010]

Since you want to play it that way, lets compare last weeks games alone. Russell, the seasoned all-pro vs Dak the rookie.....

Russel is already proven. MY GOODNESS THESE ARGUMENTS!

Russel has won a Super Bowl, has been to another Super Bowl, tore the league up last year for his best season. This year, he has had an injury effecting him and I don't doubt it is still hurting his game.

Even if it's not, Wilson has done enough already to be allowed to have a stretch of bad games. The same with Rodgers. Dak is a fourth rounder and he is starting to play like one. Him overachieving means nothing if he regresses and looks like the QB we all thought he would be coming out of college.

 

[Risen Star]

Can we all agree Dak is the future for the QB position?

No, because I like to think positively.

 

[BoysWin]

Did a little digging around Russell Wilson's rookie year. I compare Dak to him the most. Both came into similar situations. Drafted 3rd and 4th round respectively. None were supposed to be the starter. Seattle just signed Matt Flynn since he was the flavor of the month due to one single game with GB the very last game of 2011. Only difference is Russell just won the job outright. Dak got the job because of 2 injuries. But that's irrelevant, though.

Russell's final regular season stats were 26TDs/10 INT and a 64% completion percentage. A passer rating of 100. He was sacked 33 times for a loss of 203yds. He also had 489yds rushing and 4 TDs. Yards/attempt 7.93.

With 3 games to go, Dak's stats are as follows:
20 TDs/4 INTs and a 66% completion percentage. A passer rating of 102.7. He has been sacked 21 times for 117yds. He has 218 rushing yds and 5TDs. Yards/attempt 7.95

They are about as similar as you can get for their rookie years. Now here are their 2 worst games of their respective rookie seasons. I am going by passer rating.

R Wilson (Game #7) @SF Niners (L 6-13) 9/23 122yds 0TDs/1 INT. 39% Sacked 2 times for 7 yards. Yards/attempt 5.30 Passer rating 38.7
(Game #4) @ Rams (L 13-19) 17/25 160yds 0TDS/3 INTs. 68% Sacked 2 times for 20 yards. Yards/attempt 6.40 Passer rating 45.8

Dak (Game #13) @Giants (L 7-10) 17/37 165yds 1TD/2INTs 46%. Sacked 3 times for 13 yards. Yards/attempt 4.46 Passer rating 45.4
(Game #1) vs Giants (L 19-20) 25/45 227 yds. 0TDS/0 INTs 56%. Sacked 0 times. Yards/attempt 5.04 Passer rating 69.4

Did Seattle panic and make a move? No. They stayed the course. Dak and Wilson are very similar their rookie years. Too many knee jerked over one poor game. But he's a damn rookie. Hell Peyton Manning as a seasoned vet has had putrid games in the playoffs. It happens. Too many people got a fogged brain and did not step away and realize what was happening. Dak still has a lot to learn but he's playing great this season. And one little off day and the pitchforks come out. Everyone just chill out.

Seattle had no one as a backup. DAL has The Tony ROMO.

 

[Idgit]

Dak's got nothing to justify to Cowboys fans, period. If you think he does, check your head.

 

[ksadler1]

Russel is already proven. MY GOODNESS THESE ARGUMENTS!

Russel has won a Super Bowl, has been to another Super Bowl, tore the league up last year for his best season. This year, he has had an injury effecting him and I don't doubt it is still hurting his game.

Even if it's not, Wilson has done enough already to be allowed to have a stretch of bad games. The same with Rodgers. Dak is a fourth rounder and he is starting to play like one. Him overachieving means nothing if he regresses and looks like the QB we all thought he would be coming out of college.

And that's your argument? Dak has done things that NO ROOKIE has ever done before, yet because of that he's not allowed to look like a rookie? Every QB has bad games. What your saying is that Dak has to win the SB to earn "bad game forgiveness".....