Rookie year 3-4 OLB comparison

[tunahelper]

I read a lot of posts from people wanting some of the available free agent LB's.
It seems many have given up on Carpenter, so I did a comparison of some rookie years of the more prominent OLB's in 3-4.
Looks like we need some patience!
Wade is not going to move him inside. James & Ayodele contracts will not allow it, for at least a few years. IMO
I see Bobby being more of an all around LB, not a pure pass rusher. I think Vrabel is a good comparison, in terms of ability.

Mike Vrabel- 18 tackles 2 sacks
Shaun Phillips- 15 tackles 3 sacks
Adalius Thomas -1 tackle 0 sacks
Joey Porter- 25 tackles 2 sacks

VS.

Bobby Carpenter- 19 tackles 1.5 sacks

 

[adamknite]

I read a lot of posts from people wanting some of the available free agent LB's.
It seems many have given up on Carpenter, so I did a comparison of some rookie years of the more prominent OLB's in 3-4.
Looks like we need some patience!
Wade is not going to move him inside. James & Ayodele contracts will not allow it, for at least a few years. IMO
I see Bobby being more of an all around LB, not a pure pass rusher. I think Vrabel is a good comparison, in terms of ability.

Mike Vrabel- 18 tackles 2 sacks
Shaun Phillips- 15 tackles 3 sacks
Adalius Thomas -1 tackle 0 sacks
Joey Porter- 25 tackles 2 sacks

VS.

Bobby Carpenter- 19 tackles 1.5 sacks

Very interesting stats you have there. Not saying Carpenter is going to be as good as anybody on that list, but it is definetly interesting.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Bobby Carpenter isn't physical enough....

 

[sago1]

I think Carpenter can be a lot more physically this year coming off our offseason weight conditioning program. I also think he's moves around a lot better at OLB then ILB.

 

[Sabu1]

An offseason in Joe Jurascek's weightlifting program will do wonders for Carpenter. He came on at the end of last year, but he'll be even better next year.

 

[Biggems]

Carpenter was extremely physical in college...he was physical on special teams...and in the final two games, where he got his first substantial amount of playing time, he was all over the field making plays...

I dont care if he is physical enough or not......just make the plays

 

[BLT]

yea im expecting big things from carpenter this year, i dont understand why were consider moving him inside though. I believe inside you need a big strong stop the run player, and i like carpenter on the outside against quick sweeps.

 

[sjordan6]

An offseason in Joe Jurascek's weightlifting program will do wonders for Carpenter. He came on at the end of last year, but he'll be even better next year.

Thats a great point. Joe somehow gets his guys to add muscle to bodies and gets them in good shape.

What I love about this thread is how it compares other LBs in the same scheme who didnt have a great rookie year but became very, very good LBS. I think Carpenter is one of those guys. We know his background and how hard he works to get better so that should not be an issue.

The more I think about it the more I really think the failure of this team had more to do with Parcells than it did with anything else. Did he draft and get the right players? Yes? But did he get the most out of them? No

After watching repeats of last season I am now convinced that it was the coaching, scheme, and stubborness of Parcells that lead to our downfall. Everyone was tight and rarely did we ever see the Cowboys ready to play. There was not alot of emotions and I think the enviroment took the fun out the game. Bill had the eye for talent but he lost that edge in coaching it out of them and designing a scheme and game plan to win.

The days of winning ball games by running 5 plays are over (he is known for doing that a few times at NY).

Parcells did a better job in his first season here with less talent than he did with the most talented team in the league. That bears repeating. Parcell did more with less talent than he did with the most talented team in the league.

Carpenter will be a star this season and probably will extend Ellis a couple of years because of the rotation.

 

[the kid 05]

Mike Vrabel- 18 tackles 2 sacks
Shaun Phillips- 15 tackles 3 sacks
Adalius Thomas -1 tackle 0 sacks
Joey Porter- 25 tackles 2 sacks

VS.

Bobby Carpenter- 19 tackles 1.5 sacks

wonder how many people where calling them busts/unworthy of being drafted at such and such place

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

i thought Carpenter looked pretty impressive the last few games of the year

 

[junk]

wonder how many people where calling them busts/unworthy of being drafted at such and such place

I have as high of hopes for Carpenter as anyone, but those guys were not first round draft picks. The expectations weren't as high.

 

[bayarealightning]

Just to let you guys know, Shaun Phillips was drafted in the 4th round and was a situational pass rusher until this year, and he started the season in the same place until Foley had his situation. So, I do not know if his Rookie numbers translate into anything in this discussion unless Carpenter was also a situational player.

 

[tunahelper]

Just to let you guys know, Shaun Phillips was drafted in the 4th round and was a situational pass rusher until this year, and he started the season in the same place until Foley had his situation. So, I do not know if his Rookie numbers translate into anything in this discussion unless Carpenter was also a situational player.

All the more reason to be patient with Carp.

If Phillips was not good enough to beat out Foley, then it took time for him develop, which is my main point.

No need to spend big in FA at OLB, until we see what we have in Carp.

 

[zrinkill]

Carp is gonna make the naysayers eat their words ....

 

[ZeroClub]

I read a lot of posts from people wanting some of the available free agent LB's.
It seems many have given up on Carpenter, so I did a comparison of some rookie years of the more prominent OLB's in 3-4.
Looks like we need some patience!
Wade is not going to move him inside. James & Ayodele contracts will not allow it, for at least a few years. IMO
I see Bobby being more of an all around LB, not a pure pass rusher. I think Vrabel is a good comparison, in terms of ability.

Mike Vrabel- 18 tackles 2 sacks
Shaun Phillips- 15 tackles 3 sacks
Adalius Thomas -1 tackle 0 sacks
Joey Porter- 25 tackles 2 sacks

VS.

Bobby Carpenter- 19 tackles 1.5 sacks

I think you make a good point. It is way too early to give up on Carpenter.

The Cowboys have a good bit invested in Ware, James, Ayodele, and Carpenter (not to mention Ellis) and have some hope for Burnett.

I don't see the Cowboys investing much in a free agent LB this off season. I don't see them using a 1st round pick on an LB this year either.

Their four starters at LB are already set. And perhaps more importantly, these four guys are already being paid as starters.

Prediction/Conviction: Jerry will insist on seeing what Wade's schemes can do and how Carpenter plays in year two before Jerry will be willing to draft another 1st round LB.

 

[VACowboy]

Carp looks like a prototypical 3-4 inside LB to me. He's big and quick and good in coverage, and despite what some of you think, is a hard-nosed, physical player. You'll see. I have no idea why anyone thinks moving Carp inside means giving up on him. Blitzes come from the inside guys as well in the 3-4. You can bet your butt that they will in Wade's defense. I just think Adalius Thomas is a unique player who disrupts the offense all over the field and fits our defense to a T. I'd much rather spend a bucket of money on him than three mediocre guys.

 

[J-DOG]

I like Carpenter as an all-around LB but I do not see the burst of speed to be an effective pass rusher.
That's why a FA like Adalius Thomas or a draft pick like Jarvis Moss makes sense to me.
Greg Ellis is not going to get faster after an achilles injury and who knows how effective he will be after that injury anyway.
We need another pressure player to go with Ware.

 

[bayarealightning]

All the more reason to be patient with Carp.

If Phillips was not good enough to beat out Foley, then it took time for him develop, which is my main point.

No need to spend big in FA at OLB, until we see what we have in Carp.

Foley had 10 sacks his first year with the chargers in 2004. He had an adominal strain in 2005 that limited him. Who had 10 sacks that Carpenter moved to the bench?

Edit: Also, you never give up on any player after their rookie year unless they clearly do not belong in the NFL or are such a disruptive force that for the better of the team, you let the guy go. Fans have no patience.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I have as high of hopes for Carpenter as anyone, but those guys were not first round draft picks. The expectations weren't as high.

That's a pretty valid point.

 

[LatinMind]

Carp looks like a prototypical 3-4 inside LB to me. He's big and quick and good in coverage, and despite what some of you think, is a hard-nosed, physical player. You'll see. I have no idea why anyone thinks moving Carp inside means giving up on him. Blitzes come from the inside guys as well in the 3-4. You can bet your butt that they will in Wade's defense. I just think Adalius Thomas is a unique player who disrupts the offense all over the field and fits our defense to a T. I'd much rather spend a bucket of money on him than three mediocre guys.

get over it thomas wont be in dallas. and carp will be on the outside. along with ellis.