Roy 11...Techniques/Tactics, Much Like A. Harper

[Quarterback Coach]

NFL Network on Sirius satelitte radio (along with Howard Stern of course) make the subscription so worth it...Anyhow, heard something interesting from Jim Miller (who imo ranks right up there with Troy, and Trent Dilfer as far as analyst are concerned)..

Anyhow, he mentioned that Dallas used to run the routes that Alvin Harper could do 'perfectly,' and by doing so increased his confience and his status as a threat.

Norv Turner never asked him to do stuff that he couldn't. He thinks that THIS would be a great tactic for RW 11. He has talent, he has ability, and he has physical size.

He stated Garret just needs to put him in a position where he has the chance to succeed. Not expect too much. He may be paid as a #1, but is not one, BUT that does not mean he cannot be pretty damn effective if Dallas just used him properly.

And do not be folled, just because they are NFL players, that does not mean they can do everything that one would expect.

Thought it was good.

 

[utrunner07]

This is my biggest problem with our current coaching staff as it has been repeated over and over and over, they do not know how to use our players and they dont know which players to use. I think this is just another example. That being said, Roy, YOU HAVE TO CATCH THE BALL TWIRP.

 

[slomoxn]

I think Jimmy Johnson said something similar about how they use #11 also. He also said that Irvin had a problem in hsi second year that prompted them to only run routes for him that he was comfortable with until his confidence returned, as a result they had Michael Irvin the Playmaker instead of "Im the number one receiver Irvin". I still don't think they use Williams right but he has to catch the ball when they do.

 

[21Savage]

For example, when we had the ball before the end of the half, we threw one up to Miles towards the back of the end zone in double coverage. The ball was overthrown or a throw away because Romo tripped on Miles' foot.

Roy had single coverage on a straight route to the left. I think in cases like that, we have to give him a chance for a jump ball to boost his confidence and give him a chance to be a playmaker.

Those are the kinds of ball I saw him catch repeatedly in Detroit. And is the kind of ball he caught in Greenbay this year. We have to give him those chances and that goes back to coaching.

Having said that, he needs to play better with the limited chances he's getting.

 

[Blast From The Past]

This is my biggest problem with our current coaching staff as it has been repeated over and over and over, they do not know how to use our players and they dont know which players to use. I think this is just another example. That being said, Roy, YOU HAVE TO CATCH THE BALL TWIRP.

I agree with you, this staff should use all their weapons at certain points in a game but can't seem to recognize it. RW11 has to catch the ball especially in clutch time or else give another guy a chance.

 

[T-RO]

This is absurdly silly.

1. Roy HAS been running patterns that purportedly he's good at. And he's done nothing but drop passes. Two on key 3rd downs on Sunday.

2. When can ANYONE point to the last time they Roy asked to run a route (like a double move) that DOESN't suit him. Point to ONE in the past five weeks.

3. If your receiver can only run half the routes then he becomes VERY easy to gameplan against.

 

[Quarterback Coach]

This is absurdly silly.

1. Roy HAS been running patterns that purportedly he's good at. And he's done nothing but drop passes. Two on key 3rd downs on Sunday.

2. When can ANYONE point to the last time they Roy asked to run a route (like a double move) that DOESN't suit him. Point to ONE in the past five weeks.

3. If your receiver can only run half the routes then he becomes VERY easy to gameplan against.

I disagree. If he is able to run his routes effectively he will not be easy to gameplan against. Execution is they key. Turner's offenses were not difficult, but very precise and run effectively due to utilization of the talent at hand.

As far as running routes that don't suit him, I cannot answer that because I am not familiar enough with his routes. But offenses vary and we are not certain what he is being forced to do as far as pre snap and post snap read recognition adjustments.

Drops happen. THIS DOES NOT EXCUSE THEM, but let's not forget...Austin has a lot of drops too. Even in his BIG GAMES he has the ball hit the ground every so often.

 

[DanTanna]

he is able to run his routes effectively

BINGO! Not routes available.

 

[T-RO]

You Red critics can't even point out a single time when Roy's been asked to run routes that don't suit him----yet you want to hold onto the criticism.

That's beyond moronic.

All I see Roy running is slants, skinny posts and stop routes.

Point out some instances or just admit you screwed up and shut up.

 

[Quarterback Coach]

You Red critics can't even point out a single time when Roy's been asked to run routes that don't suit him----yet you want to hold onto the criticism.

That's beyond moronic.

All I see Roy running is slants, skinny posts and stop routes.

Point out some instances or just admit you screwed up and shut up.

Before you tell people to shut up, how about you read the original post. And just because people offer up an opinion that is contradictory to yours you fly off the handle? Seriously? Wow?

Is there any possibility that the routes he is running do not suit him? They may or may not? I am not sure but you seem to be. Why? I simply was expressing a comment that a former NFL QB stated. Why is he wrong?

And no we cannot point out routes, because the NFL is different. I know you are used to "run to the mailbox in front of the blue trimmed house and then cut in," but for example Indianapolis has an offense in which the routes are determined by an over under alignment pre snap, then post snap vary depending on the reads they get from their breaks. That is why 18 demands so much of his receivers. HE AND THEY MUST read the same thing...oh, and that's not even counting scramble rules, etc. that come in to play...

So just relax, breathe, and if you disagree so be it. But don't tell people to shut up.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

dude, didn't Roy11 drop a slant? his bread and butter?

quit the excuse making, dude is a ****ing bum and it aint gonna change

 

[T-RO]

I didn't say shut up...

I said

Point out some instances (of Roy being asked to run routes that don't suit him) or just admit you screwed up and shut up.

I think I'm beyond reasonable.

 

[Quarterback Coach]

I didn't say shut up...

I said

Point out some instances (of Roy being asked to run routes that don't suit him) or just admit you screwed up and shut up.

I think I'm beyond reasonable.

absoultely...how could i have ever doubted you?

 

[Quarterback Coach]

dude, didn't Roy11 drop a slant? his bread and butter?

quit the excuse making, dude is a ****ing bum and it aint gonna change

omg...again, read the original post...not making excuses, just a suggestion which may, or get this...MAY NOT, be accurate. That is why this is called a discussion board correct?

And sorry but I think I may defer to Miller a but on this...he may have adecent idea of what he is talking about. You may not agree...isn't that cool. You are certainly allowed to.

 

[kmd24]

2. When can ANYONE point to the last time they Roy asked to run a route (like a double move) that DOESN't suit him. Point to ONE in the past five weeks.

Against San Diego, he ran several outs and comebacks, and Cromartie was in his back pocket on every one. He simply isn't good at routes that are based on precise breaks.

 

[MapleLeaf]

NFL Network on Sirius satelitte radio (along with Howard Stern of course) make the subscription so worth it...Anyhow, heard something interesting from Jim Miller (who imo ranks right up there with Troy, and Trent Dilfer as far as analyst are concerned)..

Anyhow, he mentioned that Dallas used to run the routes that Alvin Harper could do 'perfectly,' and by doing so increased his confience and his status as a threat.

Norv Turner never asked him to do stuff that he couldn't. He thinks that THIS would be a great tactic for RW 11. He has talent, he has ability, and he has physical size.

He stated Garret just needs to put him in a position where he has the chance to succeed. Not expect too much. He may be paid as a #1, but is not one, BUT that does not mean he cannot be pretty damn effective if Dallas just used him properly.

And do not be folled, just because they are NFL players, that does not mean they can do everything that one would expect.

Thought it was good.

...what I have noticed about Roy Williams is he does not get alot of separation from the defenders.

This being said he has had limited opportunities to see the ball and one of the resaons why is because maybe Romo isn't comfortable pulling the trigger unless someone is more open.

On the slant he dropped the defender was on his hip pocket. If he isn't good at running precise routes or getting great separation, then his game better be about getting his big mitts on the ball by fighting off defenders.

As for limiting his routes to his favourite it's not that this isn't a good idea, but doing so is a fine balance. You don't want the defence sitting on his three or four routes on the tree.

He needs to bring some different looks to be effective. This roundabout we see in this forum is indicative in my opinion of a problem at that WR position. The only solution is going to be Roy Williams.

 

[vlad]

I fail to understand why people keep making excuses for Roy. Its not like I hate the guy or have anything against him, but the evidence is he fails to produce when we NEED him to. Slants are supposed to be his bread and butter as someone pointed out. Did you see how dejected Romo looked when he dropped that one Sunday?

I would love nothing more than Roy to get his act together, but how many more chance to we give a guy that has been widely reported to be overrated (remember all the talk after we traded for him). I hope he pulls it together because I thought he was going to be a stud.

The real question is how can we justify not paying Austin more than him? I don't think we can and that leaves the door for someone like Miami to come in....not good.

I've been a very vocal critic of Garrett, but this is certainly not on him. Come on Roy, quit living on your college glory days and get it together! Be a clutch player you are paid to be.