Roy Williams (Lions) On Trading Block

[big dog cowboy]

If Roy is on this team, it would make us pretty nasty.

We'ren't we the 2nd highest scoring team in the league this year already?

 

[Hostile]

Fitzgerald is not a FA.

Sometimes players are on the trading block because the team does not expect to resign them or pay a large bonus. Purely a cap move trade. The latter would be the case if the Cardinals look to trade Fitz. The former is the reason the Lions will put Roy on the block. They expect to lose him in FA, and can't afford to tie up mor emoney in WRs so franchise tagging him is unlikely. They're looking to get something for him rather than just watching him walk away.

I said back in September that Roy is coming to Dallas to play. I believe that. Whether it is 2008 via a trade or 2009 via Free Agency I do not know. But I firmly believe this is where he wants to play and I think Jerry wants him too.

In a trade the OP says the Lions would be looking for a veteran defensive player over Draft picks. I can absolutely see the Cowboys offering someone like Akin Ayodele or Jason Ferguson, or even an aging Greg Ellis in a deal for him if they feel one of the backups could be ready to step into that role. Perhaps Burnett, Carpenter, or Spencer make Ayodele and Ellis expendable. Perhaps Ratliff and Tank make Fergy expendable.

To me, that is not overpaying at all. I think people's pipe dreams of unloading the players we drafted recently that they aren't enamored with are ridiculous. Why would Detroit want our prospects? Exactly, they wouldn't.

I also think the idea of Roy for Roy is laughable but at least it makes more sense and one of our 1sts and one or more of our prospects.

 

[khiladi]

We'ren't we the 2nd highest scoring team in the league this year already?

There is always toom for improvement... plus, we have an aging receiving core... Terry Glenn can't last much longer, and we need a number 2 that is a deep threat...

 

[kmd24]

In a trade the OP says the Lions would be looking for a veteran defensive player over Draft picks. I can absolutely see the Cowboys offering someone like Akin Ayodele or Jason Ferguson, or even an aging Greg Ellis in a deal for him if they feel one of the backups could be ready to step into that role.

If he weren't 33, I could absolutely see the Lions having interest in Ferguson. Although he's had some weight issues in his career, JF is the anti-Shaun Rogers in terms of work ethic and on-field effort.

 

[YosemiteSam]

In a trade the OP says the Lions would be looking for a veteran defensive player over Draft picks. I can absolutely see the Cowboys offering someone like Akin Ayodele or Jason Ferguson, or even an aging Greg Ellis in a deal for him if they feel one of the backups could be ready to step into that role. Perhaps Burnett, Carpenter, or Spencer make Ayodele and Ellis expendable. Perhaps Ratliff and Tank make Fergy expendable.

I find this a bit questionable. While Ayodele is understandable, Ferguson and Ellis I do not beleive unless they were just icying. They are in the last part of there career. The only reason I could see them actually wanting an *older* player (above 32) is to cut salary cap space by cutting the player or solidify a glaring hole in the defense that they would be unable to fill properly otherwise. The latter only if they got something better along with the trade.

 

[Hostile]

If he weren't 33, I could absolutely see the Lions having interest in Ferguson. Although he's had some weight issues in his career, JF is the anti-Shaun Rogers in terms of work ethic and on-field effort.

I can see it as Akin and Fergy for Roy. Heck, I would give them all 3 (meaning those 2 plus Ellis) if it means we keep our draft picks and prospects.

 

[burmafrd]

We need a guy who will be a deep threat. Fitz is not really that. Roy is.
And I have to laugh at that part about getting better in the draft, NYC. Have you looked at the ratio of busts in WRs?

 

[Hostile]

I find this a bit questionable. While Ayodele is understandable, Ferguson and Ellis I do not beleive unless they were just icying. They are in the last part of there career. The only reason I could see them actually wanting an *older* player (above 32) is to cut salary cap space by cutting the player or solidify a glaring hole in the defense that they would be unable to fill properly otherwise. The latter only if they got something better along with the trade.

I addressed this in the previous post, but I want to add this. I could see the Lions asking for Bradie James instead of Ayodele. I do see those players as icing.

The OP also says the Lions would package Roy and Rogers for a star. That's a pipe dream. No team is going to do that. All that really says is that the price for Roy is not through the roof.

 

[burmafrd]

How about our clevleand First and Carp and Spears for Roy?

 

[YosemiteSam]

We need a guy who will be a deep threat. Fitz is not really that. Roy is.
And I have to laugh at that part about getting better in the draft, NYC. Have you looked at the ratio of busts in WRs?

I think Malcolm Kelly is a big-time receiver (better than Williams) coming out, though he will come out before the Cowboys pick.

Roy Williams has been in the league four years, he has exactly (1) season of 1,000+ yards. He has the ability to make big plays, but he get injured quite a bit and just doesn't produce over the entire season.

Year	G	Rec	Yds	Avg	Yds/G	Long	TD	20+	40+	1st	FUM
2007	12	63	836	13.3	69.7	91T	5	11	4	34	2

2006	16	82	1,310	16.0	81.9	60T	7	24	3	66	2

2005	13	45	687	15.3	52.8	51T	8	12	4	31	0

2004	14	54	817	15.1	58.4	46	8	15	2	34	1

 

[YosemiteSam]

I addressed this in the previous post, but I want to add this. I could see the Lions asking for Bradie James instead of Ayodele. I do see those players as icing.

The OP also says the Lions would package Roy and Rogers for a star. That's a pipe dream. No team is going to do that. All that really says is that the price for Roy is not through the roof.

I could see them going after Bradie James also though I wouldn't do it without a major plan in place for replacing James. While Shaun Rogers looks nice in the middle, I hate his work ethic and he is always out of shape.

I'm not ready to give up Ellis, he still has gas in the tank and I think he is a great mentor on the team for Ware and Spencer. I would trade straight up Roy Williams for Roy Williams though. The problem is Roy William the receiver will demand more money than Roy Williams the safety. That alone could be enough reason for Detriot to make the move though since they has some cap issues if I remember correctly.

 

[Hostile]

How about our clevleand First and Carp and Spears for Roy?

That's exactly what I meant earlier. This is absolutely laughable.

 

[Hostile]

I could see them going after Bradie James also though I wouldn't do it without a major plan in place for replacing James. While Shaun Rogers looks nice in the middle, I hate his work ethic and he is always out of shape.

I'm not ready to give up Ellis, he still has gas in the tank and I think he is a great mentor on the team for Ware and Spencer. I would trade straight up Roy Williams for Roy Williams though. The problem is Roy William the receiver will demand more money than Roy Williams the safety. That alone could be enough reason for Detriot to make the move though since they has some cap issues if I remember correctly.

The plan could be any number of things. I already mentioned Burnett and Carpenter. They could be looking at ILB with one of the two 1sts. It depends on how much they want to get Burnett and Carpenter in there. I think we'd try and hang on to James and offer Ayodele and a sweetener. That's just my opinion though. I base it on nothing other than my own observations of how we're grooming prospects behind those players I have already mentioned.

 

[aikemirv]

That's exactly what I meant earlier. This is absolutely laughable.

Laughable for who. I think Spears and Carp and a first is too much. I think Spears is a very good player who just is not great as rushing the QB.

I think we should get RW for Clevelands first and maybe next years 3rd.

 

[Hostile]

Laughable for who. I think Spears and Carp and a first is too much. I think Spears is a very good player who just is not great as rushing the QB.

I think we should get RW for Clevelands first and maybe next years 3rd.

Laughable for any fan who thinks they can put together a package of players they don't like and have it make sense.

"I don't like Carp, I don't like Spears, so I'll put this trade out there and see who agrees with me." Dallas won't even consider that trade. It's laughable.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Laughable for any fan who thinks they can put together a package of players they don't like and have it make sense.

"I don't like Carp, I don't like Spears, so I'll put this trade out there and see who agrees with me." Dallas won't even consider that trade. It's laughable.

I agree in the sense that if I were the Cowboys and the Lions offered that trade I would reject it and not even think twice. A first round pick is a first round pick. The fans can hate Spears all they want, he is a solid player. He just isn't a big-time play maker. Him combined with a #1 rounder is worth quite a bit. Then you want to throw Carpenter on top of it for a receiver who has one 1,000+ yard season and two sub 55 catch seasons (out of four) and prone to injuries?

I think NOT!

 

[Oh_Canada]

I wouldn't touch Rogers with a ten foot pole.....the guy is a waste of talent. I would on the other hand like to see #11 in a Cowboy uni....a combo of T.O and Willliams would be lethal!!

 

[CowboyWay]

This could be the answer to Jerry's dreams.

1. Give up a player or two straight up for RW. No picks, which I according to the article said Detroit would be receptive to doing.

2. This would thereby allow Jerry to package up both 1sts and whatever the hell else it would take for him to move up for McFadden. We're all kidding ourselves if we think Jerry doesn't want this kid so bad he can taste it. Its just a matter of how much would it cost. But if Jerry knows he can get a top flight wideout without giving up a pick, he'll do it.

Romo, TO, Roy W, Witten, Crayton, and McFadden???? That would be insanity. Good luck covering them all.


The only thing we would lack would be the CB we need. Perhaps getting one in FA, or using our second rounder on one.

Jerry said on the ticket the other day that its much easier to pick up a high priced FA when you've got a real good team and you only lack a piece or two...then he went on to remind everyone that he did it with Deion Sanders.

First thing I thought of was Moss or Asante Samuell when he said it.

 

[Hostile]

I agree in the sense that if I were the Cowboys and the Lions offered that trade I would reject it and not even think twice. A first round pick is a first round pick. The fans can hate Spears all they want, he is a solid player. He just isn't a big-time play maker. Him combined with a #1 rounder is worth quite a bit. Then you want to throw Carpenter on top of it for a receiver who has one 1,000+ yard season and two sub 55 catch seasons (out of four) and prone to injuries?

I think NOT!

3-4 DE's do not rack up sacks. Unfortunately most people do not realize this and think he is a bust. He is nowhere near a bust. Spears is a solid DE and some guy's perceptions of a 3-4 DE on the Strong side of the OL are just off. There is no way on this earth that Dallas offers him unless it is one for one. They definitely do not throw in another prospect and a 1st round pick.

 

[burmafrd]

I put that trade out there as a counter to all of NYC's bs about Roy and company. I would remind NYC that its only been in the last two seasons that Roy had a halfway decent QB throwing to him. ANd up till this year he was averaging over 15 yds per catch. How many WRs average that for even ONE year? Fact is that a high profile WR like Williams is going to be worth quite a bit. He is in his prime and is proven (unlike ANY DRAFT CHOICE).
And yes I do not like Spears, and Carp is expendable. So why not package them IF Detroit wants more then our first?