Roy Williams (Lions) On Trading Block

[kmd24]

I agree in the sense that if I were the Cowboys and the Lions offered that trade I would reject it and not even think twice. A first round pick is a first round pick. The fans can hate Spears all they want, he is a solid player. He just isn't a big-time play maker. Him combined with a #1 rounder is worth quite a bit. Then you want to throw Carpenter on top of it for a receiver who has one 1,000+ yard season and two sub 55 catch seasons (out of four) and prone to injuries?

I think NOT!

To date, RW has posted numbers that are similar to or better than the numbers posted by many so-called elite receivers during their first four years in the league. The exceptions I can readily think of are Torry Holt and Randy Moss. But the list of great receivers that had a similar (or worse) start to their careers is considerably longer and includes names like Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Hines Ward, and Terrell Owens. Of the young receivers, RW is probably behind only Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin statistically, though I don't consider either of those players to have the downfield ability of RW.

I'm not much of a RW fanboy, but I do recognize that he is at the point in his career where most great receivers start to separate from the pack. You have to look at the guy's abilities rather than his statistics to determine where he's going to be great or JAG.

I do agree that the injuries (particularly soft tissue ones like hamstring pulls) are a concern.

 

[Clove]

If they want to make a deal with Roy and Shawn Rogers, then I do what I have to (within reason) to get both those players.

Bigg was rumored to have no work ethic as well, we see how that turned out. Shawn in camp with all these pro-bowlers and a winning atmosphere, would thrive.

I'd be willing to part with our 1 (either one) Ayodele and Ferguson to get the two of those players.

If they want James, then I'd have to insist on them taking our first instead of Cleveland's pick.

But Shawn is a monster that COULD be motivated, and we all know Roy has everything we need in a #1 receiver.

This gives us a starting Defense of (Canty-Shawn-Ratliff) (Ware-James-Free Agent-Ellis or Spencer) (Henry Williams Hamlin Newman) not including draft picks/Free Agents.

Offense of (Romo- OLine - Witten - TO - Roy - Barber) I call that unstoppable.

 

[big dog cowboy]

This would thereby allow Jerry to package up both 1sts and whatever the hell else it would take for him to move up for McFadden.

Romo, TO, Roy W, Witten, Crayton, and McFadden???? That would be insanity. Good luck covering them all.

McFadden won't be a Cowboy.

You forgot about MBIII.

 

[Hostile]

I put that trade out there as a counter to all of NYC's bs about Roy and company. I would remind NYC that its only been in the last two seasons that Roy had a halfway decent QB throwing to him. ANd up till this year he was averaging over 15 yds per catch. How many WRs average that for even ONE year? Fact is that a high profile WR like Williams is going to be worth quite a bit. He is in his prime and is proven (unlike ANY DRAFT CHOICE).
And yes I do not like Spears, and Carp is expendable. So why not package them IF Detroit wants more then our first?

Because the Cowboys world does not revolve around your emotional ties. Nor anyone else's. Common sense should prevail over emotion.

 

[burmafrd]

Hos, stop asking all superior. Coaches and GMs get rid of guys THEY don;t like all the time. SO its certainly fair game on a mean nothing forum.

 

[Hostile]

Hos, stop asking all superior. Coaches and GMs get rid of guys THEY don;t like all the time. SO its certainly fair game on a mean nothing forum.

Read the word in bold and ask if that means you are on the coaching staff.

When you inevitably get to the conclusion that no you aren't, read my point again. Either that or prove to me that the Coach and GM don't like the guys you named. Good luck with that.

 

[burmafrd]

Hos, you really are a piece of work. I guess you missed the part about it being on a MEAN NOTHING FORUM. AND the MEAN NOTHING certainly applies to you.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I put that trade out there as a counter to all of NYC's bs about Roy and company. I would remind NYC that its only been in the last two seasons that Roy had a halfway decent QB throwing to him. ANd up till this year he was averaging over 15 yds per catch. How many WRs average that for even ONE year? Fact is that a high profile WR like Williams is going to be worth quite a bit. He is in his prime and is proven (unlike ANY DRAFT CHOICE).
And yes I do not like Spears, and Carp is expendable. So why not package them IF Detroit wants more then our first?

I'm not bashing RW, I'm just making note that he has NOT put up the numbers he is capable of.

Is Roy Williams worth Spears, 21st over all pick, and Bobby Carpenter. Not even close.

 

[Sandyf]

The Lions will probably trade Roy Williams but he isn't worth a 1st round pick. Look at all the trades over the last couple of years and WRs just are not getting that type of play.

The Lions will trade him simply because Calvin Johnson is going to be the #1 guy and it won't sit well with Roy there, that and the fact that he has 1 year left on his contract and the Lions would have to franchise next year to keep him because he wants out.

Shawn Rodgers is a different case. Does anyone want to offer top dollar or top picks for a guy you have to motivate to play? Most teams will not. McMillen is overvalue the players in order to hopefully drive the market up for them.

Realistically, McMillen would be lucky to get a 2nd round choice for either of them plus a fringe starter. Plus the fact that any team that wants to trade for them is going to speak with them about them playing for them and signing a new contract. No one wants to give up much for a player who's contract is expiring unless they think they can sign him to a long time deal.

I would offer the Lions something on the order of Carpenter and a 5th round for the both of them. The Lions supposedly want to rebuild the defense so that would be a start.

For those that don't believe we will make a trade with Parcells and probably concerning the #1 overall pick, I believe you are sadly mistaken. Still believe that Sparano will be named the coach there and that several current players will end up being traded to Miami. For what and how much, who knows but don't expect nothing to happen. Jerry gave up much to easy on Parcells hiring Ireland and Jerry had to know that Sparano would be the odds on favorite to land the HC job there. And then there is the scout that we said could go with Ireland but the NFL prevented it at least until after the playoffs. There will be some sort of trade that happens especially since Jerry appears hell bent on getting McFadden.

 

[Hostile]

Hos, you really are a piece of work. I guess you missed the part about it being on a MEAN NOTHING FORUM. AND the MEAN NOTHING certainly applies to you.

No, I didn't miss it. I just chose not to point out another stupid thing when one is not firing synapses with you already.

 

[LatinMind]

and roy(DC) for Roy(DET) along with a 1st going to the lions to make up for taking roy williams.

 

[theogt]

and roy(DC) for Roy(DET) along with a 1st going to the lions to make up for taking roy williams.

Sure glad we didn't cut Flozell Adams last offseason.

 

[Kangaroo]

To date, RW has posted numbers that are similar to or better than the numbers posted by many so-called elite receivers during their first four years in the league. The exceptions I can readily think of are Torry Holt and Randy Moss. But the list of great receivers that had a similar (or worse) start to their careers is considerably longer and includes names like Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Hines Ward, and Terrell Owens. Of the young receivers, RW is probably behind only Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin statistically, though I don't consider either of those players to have the downfield ability of RW.

I'm not much of a RW fanboy, but I do recognize that he is at the point in his career where most great receivers start to separate from the pack. You have to look at the guy's abilities rather than his statistics to determine where he's going to be great or JAG.

I do agree that the injuries (particularly soft tissue ones like hamstring pulls) are a concern.

Thats kind of amazing since he had the Lieks of Joey bonehead Harrington throwing to him