Roy Williams

[Mattinus]

Roy Williams tied for a league high 9 tackles this week....

I realize our problem is in the seconday, not on tackles, but thats not awful.

Flame away...

 

[zeroburrito]

thats what happens when every play ends up in your secondary..

 

[dfense]

After realizing I had not remembered hearing Roy's name called even once by the announcers all night, I decided to watch the game again, just for Roy.

There did seem to be alot of plays away from him. But what I did notice was a lineman always seemed to seek out Roy pretty soon after the snap. Burris burned Roy once for a TD. But Roy just seems to be busy dodging Snee most of the time. Crushed the fat QB to end the day. I'd give him a C for the day.

 

[jimmy40]

Roy Williams tied for a league high 9 tackles this week....

I realize our problem is in the seconday, not on tackles, but thats not awful.

Flame away...

It's all about the stats.

 

[Tricky Trav]

Crushed the fat QB to end the day. I'd give him a C for the day.

You sure got that one right ! That QB was FAT ! A big ole boy. Maybe take the C from Roy and give it to the FAT QB ? As long as C = Cookie ?? haha

 

[AdamJT13]

thats what happens when every play ends up in your secondary..

Roy's tackles came on gains of 5, 6, 7, 3, 16, 4, 7 and 2 yards -- not exactly deep in the secondary.

 

[cowboyz]

Roy's tackles came on gains of 5, 6, 7, 3, 16, 4, 7 and 2 yards -- not exactly deep in the secondary.

that's because the deep plays were tds

i kid i kid

roy failed in the red zone. first was when he was in no man's land while reeves hung back in the corner. then the other was not guarding the inside, although that was a tough play for him. but he took some false steps and it was over. that's probably the biggest thing, he needs to work on his footwork and practice at being a corner.

i'm not sure who to blame on the ward play. he and akin both took the outside. i would think roy was already outside, so akin should've stayed in his lane.

also, seemed like when the roy blitzed it was all screwed up. linemen were shading to his side so he didn't get a free shot and got clogged up. when you see polamalu and dawkins those guys take the corner or have a guard in space. instead they'd have roy go through the middle but without spacing to use his quickness. now granted roy would try to go straight at the guy instead of going around.

 

[TEK2000]

that's because the deep plays were tds

i kid i kid

roy failed in the red zone. first was when he was in no man's land while reeves hung back in the corner. then the other was not guarding the inside, although that was a tough play for him. but he took some false steps and it was over. that's probably the biggest thing, he needs to work on his footwork and practice at being a corner.

i'm not sure who to blame on the ward play. he and akin both took the outside. i would think roy was already outside, so akin should've stayed in his lane.

also, seemed like when the roy blitzed it was all screwed up. linemen were shading to his side so he didn't get a free shot and got clogged up. when you see polamalu and dawkins those guys take the corner or have a guard in space. instead they'd have roy go through the middle but without spacing to use his quickness. now granted roy would try to go straight at the guy instead of going around.

After rewatching the Ward play several times... my blame goes to Akin. Both Roy and Ware took the outside containment and Akin just sprinted to the outside at the start of the play. If he had stayed "inside-out" the RB would have came right to him.

Roy did seem to get stonewalled on his blitzse. Although, I think the Giants OLine/RB's did one heck of a good job ALL game of picking up blitzes. They were in a max protect (7 blockers) package many times when we sent 5+ defenders.
They could afford to do that cuz we couldn't cover their recievers well enough.

I think our guys just need more experience/improvement on the blitz timing. The guys in San Diego had it down perfectly with their blitz timing... after running Zimmers "show the blitz 10 seconds before the snap" style.. it may take some time.

 

[AdamJT13]

first was when he was in no man's land while reeves hung back in the corner.

Which play are you talking about? If it was the 4-yard TD pass against Reeves, Roy was in "no man's land" because that was his zone, and Ward was heading his way.

On the 10-yard TD pass, Roy was in his zone but didn't adjust to the receiver, and Manning and Burress made a great play. That's why I hate zone coverage in the end zone -- there are ALWAYS holes between zones, and all the opponent has to do is make a good play.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

All I know is Roy didn't cover Burress when Reeves released him to the inside... Guess what happened? TD!

 

[Bull Frog]

Roy did seem to get stonewalled on his blitzse. Although, I think the Giants OLine/RB's did one heck of a good job ALL game of picking up blitzes. They were in a max protect (7 blockers) package many times when we sent 5+ defenders.
They could afford to do that cuz we couldn't cover their recievers well enough.

Good observations. I just finished watching it again as well. I would like to point out that Roy was in on 3 of the Giants last 4 plays. They ruled the pass to Toomer incomplete, but I think Roy forced the fumble.

Regarding the 7 blockers: they scored on the long pass to Burress by keeping two backs in to block. I'm pretty sure they were running the same play when Spencer slung Manning down (which should've been a fumble since he made a feable underhanded forward pass). They kept both backs in for protection, but they both went to block Bradie and Spencer played it well.

I was furious at Roy after the game, but after further review not everything was his fault. There was also more pressure than I originally thought.

One more note. As much as I dislike Eli, he was on fire. He put his passes on the money. I don't think he is getting enough credit. It didn't seem to matter how good the coverage was because he was putting the ball where only his guy could get it. He got the ball out fast and was accurate. He may have turned a corner.

 

[AdamJT13]

I was furious at Roy after the game, but after further review not everything was his fault.

Were you watching on TV and listening to Madden and Michaels the first time?

 

[CaptainQuint]

now granted roy would try to go straight at the guy instead of going around.

I'll never forget Roy trying to wrestle his way through Willie Roaf, leading on Larry Johnson's TD run for Kansas City at Dallas, 2005. If Roy can't learn from that, and similar, experiences, he should consult with a hypnotist...or maybe an exorcist.

 

[TEK2000]

Were you watching on TV and listening to Madden and Michaels the first time?

Madden even tried to put some blame for the first Burress TD on Roy despite the fact that Roy was lined up on the opposite hash mark from Burress.

 

[YosemiteSam]

thats what happens when every play ends up in your secondary..

DING DING DING!

:stupid:

 

[Dallyjake]

The play that burned me up was on a run. Williams was filling the hole and took on the guard instead of going for the RB. The TV shot was from the endzone and I couldn't understand how he made that decision. Did anyone else see this play?

 

[LarryCanadian]

Absolutely did see that play. Camera angle was from behind our secondary, out of our endzone as you said. Running back is running up the middle towards Williams. A guard is coming forward, staring at Williams. Williams puts his hands up and moves to the left avoiding the guard, while running back is running to Roy's right, straight up the middle. Roy completely chickened out on the play. He could have made it to running back but he saw the truck coming and bailed left. The lane was completely open on the play. I was yelling at the TV thinking, Roy must be hurt. MAYBE Roy didn't see the running back had the ball, but isn't he suppossed to close that lane down as our premier playmaking run stuffer?

The other thing that gets me is when Roy tackles by diving at players with his head down, eyes either closed, or open but looking downward, because of his head position. Now people will flame me and say "how do you know where he is looking?" Well I'll tell you. One can tell Roy is not looking where he is going because he misses so often, or doesn't make efficient contact. Roy dives with no arms out to wrap up. He basically tries the human missile approach. That is terrible, Pee Wee technique. He hits our own other defensive players first as often as he hits the offensive player. In fact, Roy is often a half step late on his tackle. Is also tackling from the wrong direction (at least he's hustling back I guess) because the offensive player is often already past him. I think Roy put 2 or 3 of our players on injury shelf the year before last doing this (not for long but during the game and knicked them up). Blindly throwing yourself into the pile isn't smart football.

I think this guy has the talent. He played smarter and with more confidence his rookie year. He is strong. He is durable. Someone needs to do a better job coaching him on the basics again so he gets his confidence back. Also, remember his poor tackling technique that led to the horsecollar penalty rule. He still tries this but grabs the jersey now, not the pads. This is also lazy technique IMHO. If you can grab a guy by the shirt without falling down, which Roy does frequently, you can also dive at his waist or legs, wrap up and bring the player down. If you miss the shirt (which Roy has sometimes done), the player gets far more YAC. Again Roy hustles and is running the player down from behind. Which you have to give him credit for. Roy does get criticized alot because he hustles into the play that wasn't really in his zone and there he looks like he didn't make a play when around the ball. He gets there but late, but at least he keeps the motor going. The problem is, he is 10 times better with the play in front of him, but it often gets behind him.

I taped most of the game, I'm going to watch it again and focus on Roy. Despite his number of tackles, I felt he played poorly except for the late series against the jumbo QB. I think teams are keying on Roy running and passing towards him, and that is part of why he had so many tackles. Players are on record as saying the game plan is to exploit Roy as a weakness. My how times change! Still, teams are reluctant to pass short across the middle or run routes in there, with Roy out there. He can be a killer. But teams have adjusted. They have figured Roy out. Wade has to counter-react and scheme to use Roy in less exploitable ways.

LarryCanadian

 

[BouncingCheese]

Look at Chris Mcalister. He has maybe 60 tackles a year if that. Which means that he is not letting recievers make catches when the ball is in his vacinity. While that same logic cannot be applied to Roy williams because Chris Mcalister is a badass in coverage and Roy sucks at it, but getting a bunch of tackles doesn't exactly mean that he is necessarily a better player.

We simply didn't get enough pressure upfront and the O had plenty of time to pass.

The blame goes around everywhere. Lets wait for at least the first four games to make a fair evaluation.

 

[TEK2000]

Absolutely did see that play. Camera angle was from behind our secondary, out of our endzone as you said. Running back is running up the middle towards Williams. A guard is coming forward, staring at Williams. Williams puts his hands up and moves to the left avoiding the guard, while running back is running to Roy's right, straight up the middle. Roy completely chickened out on the play. He could have made it to running back but he saw the truck coming and bailed left. The lane was completely open on the play. I was yelling at the TV thinking, Roy must be hurt. MAYBE Roy didn't see the running back had the ball, but isn't he suppossed to close that lane down as our premier playmaking run stuffer?

Chickened out? He came up and smacked Chris Snee head on. In the NFL you DONT RUN AROUND BLOCKERS!! If you do that then you've just taken yourself out of the play. What was he doing on the play? As a good safety should do... forcing the RB back inside to the ILBers pursuit. Lets see, he can either dodge the blocker and jump to the inside in which case the RB will cut outside the blocker into the open field... or he can take on the blockers outside shoulder and force the RB back to the inside where the defensive pursuit is and hope his teammates are there to do their jobs and make the tackle.

But nope... I guess Roy "chickened out" on the play.

When you watch the game again... try to understand WHY he does some of the things he does rather than just looking at the fact that "he didn't make the tackle and got blocked".

 

[ddh33]

Wait! Is Roy being criticized for taking on the lead blocker? That's usually the right play. You take out the blocker and allow your other defenders to clean up the play. LBs do it all the time...

Tne chicken thing would have been to avoid the contact all together, allow Snee to go to the next player, make another block on a corner or safety, and the play bets bigger.