RUMOR: Bobby Carpenter thought for sure he was being traded

[Cajuncowboy]

I met Carps cousin today and had a chance to chat with him a bit. One of the things he told me was that Bobby thought for sure that the LB they were trading to Miami was him. He was shocked to find out it was Ayodle.

Carps cousin said that Parcells really liked him.

Also, I asked him what Carp thought about his chances playing in WP's 3-4 and he kinda shook his hands as if to say so-so or 50/50. He hopes to have a better grasp on the defense this year and can make some strides. He knows that many of the fans think he is a bust or on the border of it.

Said he has a younger Brother at Marshall who is a RB and that he thought he might end up being a better athlete than Bobby.

Anyway, not much in the way of news I guess but thought I would pass the conversation on.

 

[theogt]

If we'd traded Carp and Ayodele for a 4th, I would have ... probably still not done anything crazy. But I would have been kinda angry.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

If we'd traded Carp and Ayodele for a 4th, I would have ... probably still not done anything crazy. But I would have been kinda angry.

I think the thought was going to be Carp and Fassano, not Carp and Ayodele.

 

[theogt]

I think the thought was going to be Carp and Fassano, not Carp and Ayodele.

Sorry, that's what I meant.

 

[bbgun]

I keep waiting for the guy who made plays in the Seattle playoff game to magically resurface. A fluke that night? Maybe.

 

[Monster Heel]

I think Carpenter is a gamer. If they'd just let him lose in a regular season game he'd probably play well.

 

[igtmfo]

I love what Tuna's regime did here, but he has his prejudices about players and positions so I'm glad he's not here anymore ...

As he told the press with Jerry sitting there a few years ago, he's going to take at least one TE per draft, and to quote him, bragging: "maybe more." .. Fasano, Ryan before that, somebody I've forgotten before that etc. ... Dear lord, WHY are we going to run a 2 tight end offense, for three downs, as Bill drafted for in 2006. The league then and since gone the opposite way for offensive success (spreading the field with WRs), am I thinking right?

Even stout Cowboys fans will admit that Carp's dad played into his (high) pick in the Tuna's eyes.

And Tuna arguing for Spears over Ware in 2005 draft .... hmm ....

So I discount Bill's oversight over the 150-plus prospects on the board, all the guys talking about them in the weeks leading before the drafts.

And I wonder, who was responsible for the really good OVERALL drafts during the Parcells regime and since (for the good second day picks especially: Barber, Ratliff etc. ...)

Was it:

a) Ireland?
b) Tom Ciskowski had more say back then, and had such successful results, and that's why he was promoted when Ireland left?
c) Younger Cowboys scouts (kind of a younger crew after Garrett's dad and his contemporaries (Hess (?) et al? retired ...) ... some unknown aces-in-the-hole that we don't hardly know the name of them?
d) The pro personnel guy that Bill hired away from us (can't remember name srry)

Anyway I predict mixed results for Bill in Miami Beach, especially at his advanced age, because he wasn't the draft genius IMHO.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I think Carpenter is a gamer. If they'd just let him lose in a regular season game he'd probably play well.

He has to show reason in practice to let him loose in a game.

 

[Monster Heel]

He has to show reason in practice to let him loose in a game.

I agree, but if ever a scenario arises where he just has to play, I believe he'll do just fine.

 

[Hostile]

I think Carpenter is a gamer. If they'd just let him lose in a regular season game he'd probably play well.

Some people are.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I thought Carp would be gone also.

 

[theebs]

I love what Tuna's regime did here, but he has his prejudices about players and positions so I'm glad he's not here anymore ...

As he told the press with Jerry sitting there a few years ago, he's going to take at least one TE per draft, and to quote him, bragging: "maybe more." .. Fasano, Ryan before that, somebody I've forgotten before that etc. ... Dear lord, WHY are we going to run a 2 tight end offense, for three downs, as Bill drafted for in 2006. The league then and since gone the opposite way for offensive success (spreading the field with WRs), am I thinking right?

Even stout Cowboys fans will admit that Carp's dad played into his (high) pick in the Tuna's eyes.

And Tuna arguing for Spears over Ware in 2005 draft .... hmm ....

So I discount Bill's oversight over the 150-plus prospects on the board, all the guys talking about them in the weeks leading before the drafts.

And I wonder, who was responsible for the really good OVERALL drafts during the Parcells regime and since (for the good second day picks especially: Barber, Ratliff etc. ...)

Was it:

a) Ireland?
b) Tom Ciskowski had more say back then, and had such successful results, and that's why he was promoted when Ireland left?
c) Younger Cowboys scouts (kind of a younger crew after Garrett's dad and his contemporaries (Hess (?) et al? retired ...) ... some unknown aces-in-the-hole that we don't hardly know the name of them?
d) The pro personnel guy that Bill hired away from us (can't remember name srry)

Anyway I predict mixed results for Bill in Miami Beach, especially at his advanced age, because he wasn't the draft genius IMHO.

Your wrong on almost every topic.

and gee aint it funny how we drafted another tight end this year? but dont let that stop you from some misguided attempt at bashing parcells.

Bill restructured the scouting department, removing many and adding a couple. He was the guy behind ireland being promoted. He hired mike murphy and brian gaine. All are now gone.

Tom Ciskowski has been on this staff since 1992. So review the drafts since then, he was just an area scout for most years though.

Then there is the fact that parcells installed the measureables and variables of what to look for in players. You think it is a coincidence that this organization went from drafting dat and coakley's size to drafting bradie james, demarcus ware and anthony spencer? No its not.

Not sure which aces in the hole your referring to. Chris hall and tom ciskowski are the guys at the top of the food chain and then all the area and pro scouts.

Not sure Why I waste my time defending parcells here but, when the posts get like this I have to. especially when we just drafted a tight end in the 2nd round again.

 

[CF74]

I think Carpenter is a gamer. If they'd just let him lose in a regular season game he'd probably play well.

Ditto, if anything give him some reps to keep everybody fresh

 

[Boysboy]

I agreed with trading Adoyele over Carp-AA isn't a bad player, but he just didn't fit Wade's schemes at all. Carp is still a young player with potential. I say give him one more year.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Hey Mods> Why was the word RUMOR added to this thread topic? It's not a rumor, it was a discussion I had with the man's cousin.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Hey Mods> Why was the word RUMOR added to this thread topic? It's not a rumor, it was a discussion I had with the man's cousin.

While I'm apt to believe you, it's not like it was something that could be verified by a news source or be proven in any way. We've done it on other threads based on similar premises, even one of Hos'.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

While I'm apt to believe you, it's not like it was something that could be verified by a news source or be proven in any way. We've done it on other threads based on similar premises, even one of Hos'.

What about CNN?

Cajun News Network? That's not legit?

That's cool. Just wondered if I missed something in the guidelines that I was supposed to put in the title.

 

[WoodysGirl]

What about CNN?

Cajun News Network? That's not legit?

That's cool. Just wondered if I missed something in the guidelines that I was supposed to put in the title.

Ha! Cajun News Network might be legit in La.

The "rumor" in the title isn't in the guidelines, but really it's just another way to manage threads.

 

[lspain1]

Ha! Cajun News Network might be legit in La.

The "rumor" in the title isn't in the guidelines, but really it's just another way to manage threads.

I want to "rant" on this for a minute. The mods on this board legitimately want to provide some sense of the credibility of a news story. So, without a "credible" source, you label a title RUMOR. By this criteria, every PFT story should be labeled rumor. Every one of us has to navigate the sea of information on the internet and make judgments over the "truth" of what we sea. The CowboysZone mods are using judgment to make the call....but I'm not sure it's needed or desirable.

I have little trust in the media in general and in a number of areas, must consider both the source and the subject to decide on the credibility of a story. I have a lot of examples of stories where the news media were shown to not only be factually incorrect but to be guilty of presenting a deliberately distorted view of a subject. This problem grows worse every day.

Hos and Cajuncowboy (CNN) are legitimate sources for me because they have proven themselves to be credible here on the Zone. They do not idly post information nor do they make wild claims. Their demonstrated good judgment means I will tend believe their message regardless of the RUMOR in the thread title.

To sum up, why do the mods here feel the need to "help" me to categorize the credibility of a story? I'll make up my own mind anyway.

Cajuncowboy....I believe your story. It makes sense from everything we know. Your story is NOT a rumor.

The Cajun News Network has its first scoop.

 

[Hostile]

I want to "rant" on this for a minute. The mods on this board legitimately want to provide some sense of the credibility of a news story. So, without a "credible" source, you label a title RUMOR. By this criteria, every PFT story should be labeled rumor. Every one of us has to navigate the sea of information on the internet and make judgments over the "truth" of what we sea. The CowboysZone mods are using judgment to make the call....but I'm not sure it's needed or desirable.

I have little trust in the media in general and in a number of areas, must consider both the source and the subject to decide on the credibility of a story. I have a lot of examples of stories where the news media were shown to not only be factually incorrect but to be guilty of presenting a deliberately distorted view of a subject. This problem grows worse every day.

Hos and Cajuncowboy (CNN) are legitimate sources for me because they have proven themselves to be credible here on the Zone. They do not idly post information nor do they make wild claims. Their demonstrated good judgment means I will tend believe their message regardless of the RUMOR in the thread title.

To sum up, why do the mods here feel the need to "help" me to categorize the credibility of a story? I'll make up my own mind anyway.

Cajuncowboy....I believe your story. It makes sense from everything we know. Your story is NOT a rumor.

The Cajun News Network has its first scoop.

Mostly because if we don't, people go way overboard and decide to create a stir. No matter what course we choose to navigate someone will think it is wrong. What we try and do is weigh the overall reaction to something.

What I posted about Roy Williams desire to play here was 100% true, but look at the reaction to it because the trade did not happen. That was with the word RUMOR in the title. I didn't originally put it there, but agreed with the Mod who did that it should have been there.

I too believe Cajun 100%. That word isn't there for guys like you and me who come to respect the posters who share this info. It's for those who over react to everything because they aren't the center of attention on a topic.

What I shared about Roy Williams was never about me. I wasn't looking for any kudos if the trade went down. I felt it was news we all would love, and not because he played at Texas. There are still people who think I made all of that up despite the media attention to it in cities who have writers who do not read this forum. It should be pretty clear to anyone who doesn't breathe through their mouth that I posted a legit story way back in September. But it isn't. It's just too much fun for some people to act like jerks and pretend their skepticism is proof that someone else is unreliable.

This forum has lost some great posters input because of the way people react to what they share. We've had people join this site because someone they know and love is on the team. They share something and because they don't have 3000 posts people rip into them and they end up leaving or not posting the info they offer. Jealousy is a powerful emotion and it brings out the worst in otherwise good people.

All we're doing is trying to stem the storm so that people will continue to share the info they get. I happen to know Barber feared he was going to be traded too. Have you ever seen me post it before right now? I knew the reaction to that info would go overboard, because he believed it would be in a move up for McFadden. That is 100% true, but I have no corroboration that anyone would accept. I chose to keep it to myself. Not even the word RUMOR would have saved that thread. Think about it, why wouldn't Barber fear that when every hack reporter out there speculated it? But if I had posted it, all hell would have broke loose on this forum.