RW trade a LANDSLIDE in OUR favor

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Think about it.
1st off, it's not 3 pciks, it's really 2, since we give up a late 6th and are getting their 7th back, so throw that out of the equation and let's look at what it really boils down too.
A "LATE" 1st rounder pick and a "LATE" 3rd round pick for Roy Williams.

In all likelyhood we were gonna use our top pick on a W.R. anyway, and if we wanted a really good one we'd probably have to trade up in round 1, which would cost at LEAST the 3rd round pick we gave up anyway.

So, it's either use our 1st and 3rd round pick to move up in the draft to about the 18th pick which isn't really that high anyway, and select a "PROSPECT W.R." who as we all know would probably take at least 3 years to come into his own and tha'ts IF he's not a bust.

So, instead, we get a W.R. to help up THIS YEAR who's a PROVEN PRO-BOWL PLAYER who's 26 years old and who is just peeking and who we don't have to groom for 3 years and PRAY he's gonna be good.

To me, not only did we make out on this trade but we won by a LANDSLIDE!
Everyone knows the draft is a crapshoot, and I already explained that next years pick isn't gonna help us THIS YEAR which RW does, PLUS we don't have to wait around 3 years for that 1st round pick at W.R. to breakout, AND the odds of him being a PRO-BOWLER with the skills of RW with roughly the 18th pick in round one is 1 in a 100.

We are a SUPERBOWL TEAM THIS YEAR, Roy Williams gives us a HUGE and I mean HUGE jump in talent to bolster an offense which was already awesome.

That 1st rond pick NEXT YEAR is NOT gonna help us win a suprbowl THIS YEAR, but trading for RW certainly tilts the odds in our favor to win it all this year, not to mention for the next 5 years.

This team is BUILT for a 5 year superbowl run, RW makes sure we don't have the problem we had late in Aikman's career trying to find a great W.Rto go opposite Irvin, and if T.. gets hurt, we STILL have a #1 go to W.R. which is a HUGE PLUS to have.
Like I said, we got pretty much EVERYONE locked up for the next 3-5 years for a LONG superbowl run in which I expect at LEAST 2 Superbowl wins, RW increases our chances BIGTIME at winning a superbolw over the next 5 years, I mean, hypothetically, we don't have RW here, T.O. gets hurt week 16, our offense sputters and we lose 1st round playoffs, with RW, that won't happen.

Lets say we didn't trade for RW, we trade our 3rd rounder to move up to the #18 spot and pick a top W.R. prospect who turns into Roddy White and T.O. slows down, and we never really get T.O. the W.R. opposite him to make this offense REALLY GO, and we never reach our full potential, then T.O. retires, and we got NO #1 W.r. and have to DRAFT yet another W.R. in round 1 two years from now only to PRAY he turns out to be good 3 years AFTER THAT!

To me, as you can tell, and to ANYONE with ANY football intelligence can see this trade is one of the best trades this franchise ever made IMO when you factor in everthing I mentioned about helping us out THIS YEAR and for the next 5 years, as compared to praying you draft a W.R. NEXT YEAR who not only won't help us THIS YEAR, he won't do muchg his rookie year and most likely the time he's ready to help up IF he's not a bust would be in 3 or 4 years from now LONG after T.O. retires.

Sorry to keep repeating and harping on same things, but MY GOD, I was doing BACKFLIPS for days and am STILL on such a high getting Roy Williams to pair with T.O. and Witten, I think Romo creamed his pants once he heard the news also.

Harping on it one last time, we tade up in round 1 next year with our 3rd rounder (two picks we traded away for RW) and draft a W.R., there's on AVERAGE only about a 1 in 5 chance he's any good, maybe a 20% chance at best, but lets even say the odds of that pick at W.R. in next yeras draft being a PRO-BOWLER for us is 60%, which is MASSIVELY HIGH going on past draft the past decade, that means there's AT BEST only a 60% chance the W.R. pans out to be a pro-bowler, and even IF he was a pro-bowler, the time he actually had a BREAKOUT SEASON, that would be about 4 years from this year, just about the time our window is slowing down and T.O. is long retired, so like I said 103 times now, this trade was AWESOME and a LANDSLIDE in OUR FAVOR and Jerry Jones is a GOD for getting this trade done!

I's gonna be about 10 weeks before the smile comes off my face, I kept saying how awesome this offense was gonna be with Felix jones added to the mix and said I would be in HEAVEN if somehow we added a top WR. to go opposite T.O., well, my prays have been answered, THANK YOU JERRY, THANK YOU - THANK YOU - THANK YOU!

The whole world will see in about 6 weeks, by that time, our O-line will get it's stuff together, Felix will be back healthy, Romo will be back healthy, and RW will know the whole offense and be in sync with Romo, give it 6 weeks to see an offense the NFL has NEVER SEEN BEFORE, the NFL better watchout!

Oh, and I'm gonna predict it now, next year Romo throws for 60 T.D. passes, NOT A JOKE! LOL
 

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Once Roy gets his this offense down and Felix joins the party this offense has a chance to be better than New England 2007-2008.
 

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Less not forget we gave up NO '10 picks. Remember the Galloway trade where we gave up a #1 in TWO drafts.

There's no use argueing over this anymore. I thought it was a great trade, as well as most of the Zoners here, especially the non-homers.

Roy11 is an impact player-don't kid yourself thinking he's not worth a dime. You want the right guys, you're going to have to pay up. It's alot like investing in a nice 2 story home that's worth $150K. You don't try to bargain with the realtor for only $70K or so. You get what you pay for.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2350907 said:
nice post. I agree with you man.....

Thanks, I guess I could of simplified it like this!

Which would you rather have!

A) W.R. Roy Williams 26 year old NFL PROVEN PRO-BOWLER to help us THIS YEAR and for the next 5 years win a superbowl ready to step in right away THIS YEAR and help us win NOW and in the future 5 years.

B) Use our 3rd round pick to trade up in round 1 of NEXT YEARS DRAFT and select a W.R. prospect who on average has about a 60% chance of being a BUST and only about a 10% chance AT BEST to be a PRO-BOWLER who will not help us win a superbowl this year, and who in 2009 probably won't help us much being a rookie and all, and probabloy woin't even hlep s much in 2010 since it takes usually 3 years for a W.R. to breakout, and that's IF we happen to hit on that draft pick and he's not a BUST!


I think you'd have to be on CRACK to not take A) 100% of the time, and that HONESTLY, I'd even throw in a 2nd round pick in 09' on top of it when you look at it this way! LOL
 

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ThatsmyQB;2350920 said:
Thanks, I guess I could of simplified it like this!

Which would you rather have!

A) W.R. Roy Williams 26 year old NFL PROVEN PRO-BOWLER to help us THIS YEAR and for the next 5 years win a superbowl ready to step in right away THIS YEAR and help us win NOW and in the future 5 years.

B) Use our 3rd round pick to trade up in round 1 of NEXT YEARS DRAFT and select a W.R. prospect who on average has about a 60% chance of being a BUST and only about a 10% chance AT BEST to be a PRO-BOWLER who will not help us win a superbowl this year, and who in 2009 probably won't help us much being a rookie and all, and probabloy woin't even hlep s much in 2010 since it takes usually 3 years for a W.R. to breakout, and that's IF we happen to hit on that draft pick and he's not a BUST!


I think you'd have to be on CRACK to not take A) 100% of the time, and that HONESTLY, I'd even throw in a 2nd round pick in 09' on top of it when you look at it this way! LOL

Pretty much and if we wanted an elite WR from the draft there's only one and that's Crabtree. I'm not knocking any of the other prospects but Crabtree is the clear cut #1 WR in this draft and we would have had to trade more than just a 3rd to get where he is at to get him....and he still comes with a question mark and we still don't have them for this year.....the people complaining and saying comparing Crayton to him and suggest they are on the same level obv lacks football knowledge and are just sad.....We still have 12 picks going into the draft....
 

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Oh, one more th9ing I don't think people have realized yet!


Roy williams in Detoit could be like Moss in Oakland, meaning when your franchise SUCKS and you know when you start training camp you know that no matter how hard you train and play you will NEVER seven sniff the playoffs, it kind of kill your enthusiasm a little to say the least.

PLUS the other thing I don't think people realize is that Roy was ALWAYS their #1 W.R. being double covered all the time and STILL producing top stats with no running game, no other #1 W.R. (until Calvin last year) and their Q.B. was nothing to write home about and I'll give 100 bucks if anyone off the top of their head can name the T.E. in Detroit.

So you see, he excelld at being the #1 go to guy, being the ENTIRE focus of the defense week in and week out with w aorse Q.B. than Romo and no other real help from anywhere else.

So to take someone out of a bad situation ala Randy Moss to N.E. last year, and then to say you're no longer gonna be the #1 option on ofith the whole defense trying to stop you, hell, you won't even be the #2 option, you'll be the #3 option behind Owens and Witten and the defense will not only not double team you with a safety and have their top cover corner against you, but you won't have anyone double covering you and you'll be going agains the other teams #2 C.B. all game. LOL

It's just INSANE how much he's gonna open up this offense.
I mean, I know you're all smart fans, but ONE PLAYER W.R. Roy Williams is gonna help out 10 other players BIGTIME.
He's gonna help T.O. BIGTIME, he's CERTAINLY gonna open up thingre for Witten which is just CRAZY when you think about that, and he's gonna help out Romo a ton, he's also gonna help out Crayton who will now be the #3 W.R. and the slot guy where he belongs, but he'll help out the O-line since Romo's receivers will get open quicker and more often, and he'll definately hel out Barber and Felix since no team can ever play 8 men int hs box EVER! LOL

I'm tellin you, it's CRAZY how much one player is gonna help out every other player on offense be that much better!
Man I can't wait for about 5 more weeks from now when wee hitting on all cylinders, I think we should be able to score 40 by halftime on ANY DEFENSE!
I just PRAY we start to use the PASS to set up the run now and stop trying to FORCE Barber up the middle 15 times in a row for a one yard game cause redball got criticized about only giving Baber about 10 carries in a loss a few weeks ago.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2350932 said:
Pretty much and if we wanted an elite WR from the draft there's only one and that's Crabtree. I'm not knocking any of the other prospects but Crabtree is the clear cut #1 WR in this draft and we would have had to trade more than just a 3rd to get where he is at to get him....and he still comes with a question mark and we still don't have them for this year.....the people complaining and saying comparing Crayton to him and suggest they are on the same level obv lacks football knowledge and are just sad.....We still have 12 picks going into the draft....


Yeah I love Crabtree, but like you said, we'd have to give up at LEAST two #1's to move up to get him and as good as he is, he's STILL a crapshoot, although I do love him, ink you ALWAYS take the PROVEN GUY!

Scary thing is, what do we REALLY NEED in the draft over the next 4 years? LOL
I'm praying we package ALL of our late round picks to either get extra picks in 2010' or else trade a ton of them and move up to get TWO top players, cause I mean, I've been going over our roster for next year, and obviously depending on a few free agents like Canty, Tank, Columbo, Kosier, etc., I'd say that we only have like 3 open rsoter spots to fill, and our roster is SOOOOO DEEP that I just think any one of our picks after round 4 woudl be a WASTE of a pick, so either trade all of our late picks to move up since at this point we need QUALITY over Quantity, or trade all our late rounders to add a ton of picks in 2010, or a combo of both.

Just off the top of my head, I'd like to trade up in round 2 and get the top S.S. (who can cover) and then trade up round 2 again to get the top Guard in the draft (since guards usually don't go in round 1) to replace Kosier.

Then grab a N.T. and maybe a C.B. and trade every other pick away to manuever or pile up extra picks for 2010.
 

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ThatsmyQB;2350944 said:
I'll give 100 bucks if anyone off the top of their head can name the T.E. in Detroit.

Michael Gaines.

Now when can I expect my $100? ;)
 

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ThatsmyQB;2350953 said:
Yeah I love Crabtree, but like you said, we'd have to give up at LEAST two #1's to move up to get him and as good as he is, he's STILL a crapshoot, although I do love him, ink you ALWAYS take the PROVEN GUY!

Scary thing is, what do we REALLY NEED in the draft over the next 4 years? LOL
I'm praying we package ALL of our late round picks to either get extra picks in 2010' or else trade a ton of them and move up to get TWO top players, cause I mean, I've been going over our roster for next year, and obviously depending on a few free agents like Canty, Tank, Columbo, Kosier, etc., I'd say that we only have like 3 open rsoter spots to fill, and our roster is SOOOOO DEEP that I just think any one of our picks after round 4 woudl be a WASTE of a pick, so either trade all of our late picks to move up since at this point we need QUALITY over Quantity, or trade all our late rounders to add a ton of picks in 2010, or a combo of both.

Just off the top of my head, I'd like to trade up in round 2 and get the top S.S. (who can cover) and then trade up round 2 again to get the top Guard in the draft (since guards usually don't go in round 1) to replace Kosier.

Then grab a N.T. and maybe a C.B. and trade every other pick away to manuever or pile up extra picks for 2010.

IDK we may have more than 3 roster spots open. The guys at the bottom of the roster aren't guaranteed to keep their spots and can easily be beaten out by rookies. Some of the back up Olineman we have can be cut and ILB could be some where were depth is added considering carps level of play and Burnett never being healthy...We could defintley see ourselves losing some of these bottom feeders that have made their way onto the roster.
 

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Again the cost issue is not what he spent as the deal was very good. The issue is could Jerry have spent less. It doesn't appear that Detroit was going to deal for less than they did as it went down to the last few seconds if one can believe Jerry.
 

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To me it is getting a guy for a 1st and 3rd when you would have paid the 3rd to move up in the 1st to get the impact guy you wanted. You would have avoided the big contract by drafting the rookie, but he probably would have taken a few years to produce and still been collecting a nice contract while he learned. Once he produced, you would have to resign him for big money anyway. If Roy sucks for us, we lose on this trade. If Roy helps us win a SB, we were big winners. At this point we are neither winners or losers.
 

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Yea like we missed the chance to get another Bobby Carpenter. I mean our drafting ain't always been so great. I wish they would send him packing. I still pi32434ed because he let the guy in that blocked the punt last week. He is such a wuss. He is one that the great BP tanked on thats for sure. At least we have seen him do it in the NFL . He brings it and he may show you things this week just watch..
 

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DaBoys4Life;2350994 said:
IDK we may have more than 3 roster spots open. The guys at the bottom of the roster aren't guaranteed to keep their spots and can easily be beaten out by rookies. Some of the back up Olineman we have can be cut and ILB could be some where were depth is added considering carps level of play and Burnett never being healthy...We could defintley see ourselves losing some of these bottom feeders that have made their way onto the roster.


Well, we aren't gonna use a 4th ronder or less on an I.L.B., and do we really expect a 5th rounder to beat out Burnett and Carpenter???????
I mean we could cut Carp (don't know if it would be cheaper to keep him depending on his cap hit), and Burnett is our nickle L.B. and is good when healthy and you dn't cut a guy cause he has had some injury problems in the past IMO unless he's a cap hit, which I don't think he'll be.

Sure lineman can be cut, and I know what you're saying, but I just don't see the logic behind cutting saya Cory Proctor or Pat McQuistan or Doug free, for a 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick is all.

We got the depth, we don't need anymore depth from 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders, I mean, sure youd like depth, but I just don't see those late round picks beating out any of our backups since most of our backups are pretty good players such as Proctor/Free/McQuistan/Burnett/etc.

Like I said, I went over the roster, and I think well be hard pressed to find more than 3 or 4 spots open AT BEST, so I just don't think anyone drafted in round 5-7 are gonna make the team is all.
I mean, some 4th rounders didnt' make our team like Skyler Green years ago when we weren't even CLOSE to being this deep, so I just would rather use those late round picks to move up and grab QUALITY players over quantity.

We'll be hard pressed to find a starting position that cna be filled by a draftee, but I can easilly see us moving up in round 2 to gybe get a top S.S. to replace the other ORy Williams, and I could see us then moving up in round 3 to try and get a top guard to replace Kyle Kosier too, so I would rather use most of our late round picks to move up and try and come away with two potential starters in this draft if possible then a bunch of good backups is all since most of our backups are so good anyway.
 

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dmq;2351002 said:
To me it is getting a guy for a 1st and 3rd when you would have paid the 3rd to move up in the 1st to ge the impact guy you wanted. You would have avoided the big contract by drafting the rookie, but he probably would have taken a few years to produce and still been collecting a nice contract while he learned. Once he produced, you would have to resign him for big money anyway. If Roy sucks for us, we lose on this trade. If Roy helps us win a SB, we were big winners. At this point we are neither winners or losers.

You're also assuming the rookie we woudl be draftign by tradign up in round#1 with the extra 3rd would actually produce.
1st off, history shows there's more then a 50% chance that picks would be a BUST, plus even if he's not a bust, it woudl take 3 years from NEXT YEAR to produce to elite level, where as Roy Williams is ALREADY a proven NFL Pro-Bowler!
At THIS POINT we ARE WINNNERS cause we added a 26 year old NFL Pro-Bowler and the draft ain't till next year. :)
 

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ThatsmyQB;2351020 said:
Well, we aren't gonna use a 4th ronder or less on an I.L.B., and do we really expect a 5th rounder to beat out Burnett and Carpenter???????
I mean we could cut Carp (don't know if it would be cheaper to keep him depending on his cap hit), and Burnett is our nickle L.B. and is good when healthy and you dn't cut a guy cause he has had some injury problems in the past IMO unless he's a cap hit, which I don't think he'll be.

Sure lineman can be cut, and I know what you're saying, but I just don't see the logic behind cutting saya Cory Proctor or Pat McQuistan or Doug free, for a 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick is all.

We got the depth, we don't need anymore depth from 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders, I mean, sure youd like depth, but I just don't see those late round picks beating out any of our backups since most of our backups are pretty good players such as Proctor/Free/McQuistan/Burnett/etc.

Like I said, I went over the roster, and I think well be hard pressed to find more than 3 or 4 spots open AT BEST, so I just don't think anyone drafted in round 5-7 are gonna make the team is all.
I mean, some 4th rounders didnt' make our team like Skyler Green years ago when we weren't even CLOSE to being this deep, so I just would rather use those late round picks to move up and grab QUALITY players over quantity.

We'll be hard pressed to find a starting position that cna be filled by a draftee, but I can easilly see us moving up in round 2 to gybe get a top S.S. to replace the other ORy Williams, and I could see us then moving up in round 3 to try and get a top guard to replace Kyle Kosier too, so I would rather use most of our late round picks to move up and try and come away with two potential starters in this draft if possible then a bunch of good backups is all since most of our backups are so good anyway.

I see what you're saying however, I think we need to move away from some of these guys and start over. Skyler Green did make our team he ended up getting cut later on. Also he sucked we should have never drafted that bum.....IDK how we can stay with a guy like Burnett who continues to get injured year after year and Carp can be beaten out by a 4th round pick. Carp isn't good and hasn't show much of anything at all. You have more faith in our depth along the OLine than I do and also in Carp and Burnett...I really like Burnett but he can't stay healthy....Also I don't think there's any SS that can replace RW however depth is needed at the position because Watkins Brown and Davis = a lump of crap.

Proctor sucks I hate him with a passion....
 

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Pukindog;2350984 said:
Michael Gaines.

Now when can I expect my $100? ;)


No way you knew that off the top of your head, hell, even the best FF players on earth never heard of him. LOL
If you did know that, you need to get help and another hobbie. LOL
 

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ThatsmyQB;2351036 said:
No way you knew that off the top of your head, hell, even the best FF players on earth never heard of him. LOL
If you did know that, you need to get help and another hobbie. LOL

wow.....Gaines could have went to his favorite college and in a result he knows where he ended up....you should pay what you owe......
 

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wait there are people that actually opposed the trade? Holy **** this is the dumbest message board on earth.
 

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theogt;2351181 said:
wait there are people that actually opposed the trade? Holy **** this is the dumbest message board on earth.

:lmao2: :lmao:

IDK what worse cowboys fans that don't like the trade or Eagles fan trying to feel good about not getting this guy and us having him.
 
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