S Kenny Vaccaro Working Out w/ Cowboys on Wednesday

[Manwiththeplan]

I think he can play as good as Barron...

Barron definately had a better supporting staff, but you are comparing a guy with 5 ints, 20 passes defended, 13 TFL and 2 sacks over his career with a guy who had 12 ints, 22 passes defended, 13 TFL and 5 sacks over his career.

IMO, Barron would go ahead of Vacarro if both were available. Does that mean he'll be the better player, no, but he's the better prospect.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

This is incorrect. Barron was a much higher rated safety for a reason. He had 12 career interceptions and 22 passes broken with Alabama. He also could thump with 13 TFL, and 5 sacks over his career. Vaccaro has 5 interceptions, 20 passes broken, 13 TFL, and 2 sacks in his career with Texas. While this all means little to how they perform on the big stage, Barron was better in nearly every statistic.

lol, i should've read the whole thread before posting

 

[Manwiththeplan]

He is generally accepted as the best safety in this class. He has good range and plays the ball well in the air. He is a quick reacting safety, once he diagnosis the play he is gone and to the ball. He is always around the ball and IS a big hitter IMO. He tries to lay his shoulder into people too often. Its very frustrating to watch because he is a sound tackler at times. He played in the slot all year for Texas in nickle situations.

IMO he would be a great selection for the cowboys at 18. Some will argue that we will be stuck with two SS in Church and Vaccaro. I think he has the range to play in the tampa 2. He very well could be the top player on the board when we pick.

You're definately more familiar with any Texas player than me, but in a Tampa 2, I think Vacarro could play FS or SS.

 

[kazzd58]

Id rather get oline in 1st round and T. Mathieu n 2nd from LSU. Y? Cuz he's a playmaker turnover machine

 

[DFWJC]

Id rather get oline in 1st round and T. Mathieu n 2nd from LSU. Y? Cuz he's a playmaker turnover machine

Way early for Mathieu.

 

[kazzd58]

Maybe but since this new rookie pay scale in place now, I dont think it will b that much of a price for him.. For what he can do for our tesm which is create turnovers

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Maybe but since this new rookie pay scale in place now, I dont think it will b that much of a price for him.. For what he can do for our tesm which is create turnovers

that would be horribile in terms of what the pick is worth. money has nothing to do with it, just what we could've had.

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

I like Vaccaro and wouldn't have a problem with him at 18. I think the 18 spot is exactly what his value is worth and that he should go somewhere between 15-20. That said, I really like some of the safeties rated behind him. Cyprien, Rambo, Thomas, and Swearinger are all interesting players and guys I'd take in the second round. Personally I'd sit tight at 18 and hope one of the guards or defensive tackles dropped. If not I'd look to trade back a bit and look at guys like DJ Fluker and Sylvester Willams. I'd then sit on my hands and pray Phillip Thomas was there when I picked in the second.

 

[DFWJC]

You lost me at Church. I see Barry Church as maybe a guy who can play strong side linebacker on some downs. He does not have the range to be a safety in a Tampa 2. It's a position that calls for a large range of coverage ability.

I don't know GB. I think Church (healthy) would fit well as a SS in this scheme. I don't see it as a pure Tampa 2 anyway.
But, fwiw, I listed those 4 because that would be the likely group if we drafted vaccaro. I realize there are better players than Church, just not expecting two new Safeties starting. I do like Church's potential.

 

[Wolf2k5]

Way early for Mathieu.

Agreed. I ha this convo with a friend yesterday. We agreed that 3rd was earliest we would even be debating on it. Even then it still depends who was on the board.

 

[speedkilz88]

I doubt Mathieu is even on the Cowboys board. Broaddus has even said that he's in the box.

 

[TheFinisher]

I don't know GB. I think Church (healthy) would fit well as a SS in this scheme. I don't see it as a pure Tampa 2 anyway.
But, fwiw, I listed those 4 because that would be the likely group if we drafted vaccaro. I realize there are better players than Church, just not expecting two new Safeties starting. I do like Church's potential.

Monte Kiffin is the Godfather of the Tampa-2, it's what he knows and what he does. And it's what we'll be running.

 

[Teague31]

Any word on how the workout went?

 

[jobberone]

I'm not a big safety guy in the first unless they are clearly superior athletes from big schools who have done extremely well on the field and have all the numbers and intangibles. So that leaves the occasional safety or two to go in the top 15. They're there in the 2nd and 3rd generally otherwise. And I try not to fall in love with DBs who no matter how well they turn out generally make their share of busted plays their rookie years.

I think OL is a safer bet at 18 in general. Of course each draft is going to be different with depth at certain positions. I'd be looking for an OT then a superior interior lineman then S in this draft unless one was clearly superior.

 

[unionjack8]

Monte Kiffin is the Godfather of the Tampa-2, it's what he knows and what he does. And it's what we'll be running.

Don't bank on it. He has said he will play much like seattle, or at least told thd D to study that D. More aggressive press coverages for our cb's which suits them. I know we will mix in cover 2 schemes but I would bet it isn't our staple

 

[TheFinisher]

Don't bank on it. He has said he will play much like seattle, or at least told thd D to study that D. More aggressive press coverages for our cb's which suits them. I know we will mix in cover 2 schemes but I would bet it isn't our staple

Our projected DL is the total opposite of Seattle's DL, which can tell you a lot about what kind of coverages a team will lean towards in the secondary. We're undersized and fast up front, Seattle is huge and eats up space. Undersized and fast on the DL is classic for a Tampa 2 style defense, it encourages penetration up front sacrificing running lanes because the CBs can help more in run support from their flat zones.

Seattle can leave their CBs on an island more often because they are enormous on the DL and make their guys 2-gap.

Most recent example of what our defensive personell is being set up for is the Colts under Tony Dungy. Dungy invented the Tampa-2 with Kiffin so this shouldn't be much of a shocker.


Seattle plays some cover-2 and Kiffin's familiar with Pete Carroll so it doesn't surprise me that he has confidence in Pete having his guys fundamentally sound in a cover-2 look, but Seattle is also a multiple defense that borrows concepts from numerous schemes... and that's not something we're set up to copy nor is supported by the coaching moves we made.

You don't bring in Monte Kiffin and Rod Marinelli unless you plan on running the Tampa-2 as your staple. Anyone looking for something else will likely be disappointed come September.

 

[Hoofbite]

I'd be pretty upset if OL isn't the first pick.

A good coverage safety would be a decent consolation prize but this OL has got to get fixed.

It's not like the bar is set real high for either OL or S right now so I think it's possible Dallas get a starter at either beyond the first round.

I just prefer the team go OL. I would be ecstatic if they used 2 of their first three picks on the OL but doubt it happens.

 

[TheCount]

Our projected DL is the total opposite of Seattle's DL, which can tell you a lot about what kind of coverages a team will lean towards in the secondary. We're undersized and fast up front, Seattle is huge and eats up space.

I think their playing big was a byproduct of what they had to work with. They drafted Irvin, signed Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett over the last two off seasons. They are getting smaller, and spending valuable resources to do so.

I'd be happy with Vacarro, depending on who's left on the board. I had the guy in mocks back when quite a few people didn't like him but outside of the 4.6 40 time (which I don't care about), I think he really helped himself at the combine.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

I think their playing big was a byproduct of what they had to work with. They drafted Irvin, signed Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett over the last two off seasons. They are getting smaller, and spending valuable resources to do so.

I'd be happy with Vacarro, depending on who's left on the board. I had the guy in mocks back when quite a few people didn't like him but outside of the 4.6 40 time (which I don't care about), I think he really helped himself at the combine.

I think he did as well. That 4.06 20 yard shuffle is great, speaks to how fluid and rangy he can play.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

I'd be pretty upset if OL isn't the first pick.

A good coverage safety would be a decent consolation prize but this OL has got to get fixed.

It's not like the bar is set real high for either OL or S right now so I think it's possible Dallas get a starter at either beyond the first round.

I just prefer the team go OL. I would be ecstatic if they used 2 of their first three picks on the OL but doubt it happens.

I'm sorry, but I can't think I a worse strategy than what you've proposed.