S Kenny Vaccaro Working Out w/ Cowboys on Wednesday

[jjktkk]

If I'm understanding the depth of this years draft class, OL, DL, and S are very deep. So even if Dallas does take Vaccaro at 18, they should still should be able to draft a starting caliber OL, or DLinemen with their 2nd, or even 3rd round pick.

 

[xwalker]

Our projected DL is the total opposite of Seattle's DL, which can tell you a lot about what kind of coverages a team will lean towards in the secondary. We're undersized and fast up front, Seattle is huge and eats up space. Undersized and fast on the DL is classic for a Tampa 2 style defense, it encourages penetration up front sacrificing running lanes because the CBs can help more in run support from their flat zones.

Seattle can leave their CBs on an island more often because they are enormous on the DL and make their guys 2-gap.

Seattle didn't really sacrifice speed to get a couple of big players on the DL.

Seattle's 2012 DL:

SDE Red Bryant: 4.9 forty at 318 lbs.

DT Alan Branch: 1.68 10-yard time at 324 lbs. Oddly, considered more of an upfield player than run stopper. Plays primarily the 3-tech.

DT Brandon Mebane: Quick, penetrating player. Oddly plays more 1-tech than 3-tech.

WDE Clemons/Irvin: Super quick, smallish DEs.
Backups:
DT Clinton McDonald: 6-2, 297
DT Jaye Howard: 6-3, 301
SDE Greg Scruggs: 6-3, 284

 

[Gaede]

I just don't like Vaccaro. I want to really bad, since we're likely interested in him at 18

He runs extremely well and he's obviously athletic enough to play FS and cover NFL players.

It's just that, whenever I watch him, I don't see him actually do anything.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

I just don't like Vaccaro. I want to really bad, since we're likely interested in him at 18

He runs extremely well and he's obviously athletic enough to play FS and cover NFL players.

It's just that, whenever I watch him, I don't see him actually do anything.

Part of this is that he gets manned up in nickel situations.

 

[Ultimategamer5567]

I'm for BPA regardless of need, but I seriously hope that Vaccaro is off the boards when Dallas is on the clock. I just don't see it. I don't see him as that one missing piece that's going to turn a slightly above average D into the next coming of the Doomsday. Given the way things might fall, there's a chance Dallas could be looking right at guys like Richardson, Warmack, (and/or) Cooper, perhaps even Jarvis Jones. I wouldn't hesitate taking any of those guys ahead of Vaccaro - and I'm a Longhorn fan through and through.

 

[MidEastBeastL337]

About all the people worried about "uh ohh"

Come on, he's clearly saying it just saying it jokingly. It has nothing to do without working out for any specific team or getting drafted by any specific team, he's just being silly referring to working out.

Silly old guys trying to pick apart everything us youngin's say

 

[Future]

This is incorrect. Barron was a much higher rated safety for a reason. He had 12 career interceptions and 22 passes broken with Alabama. He also could thump with 13 TFL, and 5 sacks over his career. Vaccaro has 5 interceptions, 20 passes broken, 13 TFL, and 2 sacks in his career with Texas. While this all means little to how they perform on the big stage, Barron was better in nearly every statistic.

I don't think Barron was rated that much higher...some have said that Vaccaro could actually go in the top 10.

I know the stats might favor Barron, but he has a couple things working for him in that regard. One is that he was surrounded by outstanding players, both in the front 7 and in the secondary, that made it easier for him to take risks and try to get INTs.

And, to my knowledge, he was used differently than Vaccaro was. Vaccaro wasn't allowed to just sit back and play purely at FS very often and it is almost impossible to get INTs when you're primary responsibility is the slot receiver. But if you watch highlights/film of Vaccaro, you see a lot of plays where he breaks off of his inside zone and tips a ball headed to a receiver near the sideline. That shows a ton of athletic ability and great instincts, and makes him a better prospect than Barron imo.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Never really heard about Vaccaro until he was brought up in here. Is he that good or is it Longhorn Homerism. Just asking.

Outside of Taylor, who I believe projects better to FS, I think he is the best Safety prospect this year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Id rather get oline in 1st round and T. Mathieu n 2nd from LSU. Y? Cuz he's a playmaker turnover machine

Manthieu is going to come in with two strikes, more then likely. One and he's done once he gets to the NFL. No way in the world I would invest any significant amount of money on him. He's a 5th round pick at best IMO.

 

[MDHQ]

Vaccaro will be gone by Dallas' pick. I think Carolina will take him.

 

[TheCount]

Manthieu is going to come in with two strikes, more then likely. One and he's done once he gets to the NFL. No way in the world I would invest any significant amount of money on him. He's a 5th round pick at best IMO.

Maybe some teams will cross him off their list, but it's illegal by union rules to say he only gets one strike and he's banned from the NFL.

As long as you have talent, a team will find some way to give you another chance. It's just the reality of the league.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I'm for BPA regardless of need, but I seriously hope that Vaccaro is off the boards when Dallas is on the clock. I just don't see it. I don't see him as that one missing piece that's going to turn a slightly above average D into the next coming of the Doomsday. Given the way things might fall, there's a chance Dallas could be looking right at guys like Richardson, Warmack, (and/or) Cooper, perhaps even Jarvis Jones. I wouldn't hesitate taking any of those guys ahead of Vaccaro - and I'm a Longhorn fan through and through.

I would like a G or DT in round one and then look at Cyprian later!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Badger has criminal and drug issues not to mention he got kicked off of his team. I doubt he is even on the Cowboys' board.

 

[TheFinisher]

Seattle didn't really sacrifice speed to get a couple of big players on the DL.

Seattle's 2012 DL:

SDE Red Bryant: 4.9 forty at 318 lbs.

DT Alan Branch: 1.68 10-yard time at 324 lbs. Oddly, considered more of an upfield player than run stopper. Plays primarily the 3-tech.

DT Brandon Mebane: Quick, penetrating player. Oddly plays more 1-tech than 3-tech.

WDE Clemons/Irvin: Super quick, smallish DEs.
Backups:
DT Clinton McDonald: 6-2, 297
DT Jaye Howard: 6-3, 301
SDE Greg Scruggs: 6-3, 284

You mean to tell me you don't acknowledge the difference between our DL and Seattle's DL? Because Spencer and Red Bryant are similar players right?

Ratliff is 287lbs, Branch is pushing 330.

 

[AsthmaField]

Badger has criminal and drug issues not to mention he got kicked off of his team. I doubt he is even on the Cowboys' board.

You're probably correct, but I wish it wasn't so. I wish they'd make an exception for him because I think he's a really good teammate, is an exceptional football player and is a guy that the whole defense would gravitate towards. I think they'd all feed off of his energy.

Hit on a guy like that and it totally changes the complexion of a defense... all for the price of (probably) a mid round pick.

Miss on a guy like that and it costs you a mid round pick.

Very high upside with limited downside.

Besides, I think the Cowboys locker room is so good character wise right now that inserting a character risk like the Badger would in all likelyhood tend to pull him towards the right path rather than he pull others towards the wrong path.

Mathieu practices hard, plays hard, and all his teammates love him. The only risk there is the weed. It isn't like he's a schmuck who isn't liked and would make waves. I honestly think he would be much more of a positive in the locker room than a negative.

Oh well... you are probably right and Dallas takes him off their board. However, I hope that somehow Les Miles and Mo Claiborne have talked the Dallas brass into taking a shot on the guy.

I would love to have him playing in the slot in the nickle and dime packages and on special teams.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Besides, I think the Cowboys locker room is so good character wise right now that inserting a character risk like the Badger would in all likelyhood tend to pull him towards the right path rather than he pull others towards the wrong path.

we had a player die in the car of a teamate under the influence of alchool and then a few months later had a team "leader" get arrested for DUI

 

[AsthmaField]

we had a player die in the car of a teamate under the influence of alchool and then a few months later had a team "leader" get arrested for DUI

Drinking happens in all locker rooms... overall I'd think we have a pretty good group of character guys though that likes to play the game and does things the right way. Will every guy do that? Of course not.

IMO, it is a good group overall though.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Drinking happens in all locker rooms... overall I'd think we have a pretty good group of character guys though that likes to play the game and does things the right way. Will every guy do that? Of course not.

IMO, it is a good group overall though.

yes drinking happens........but drinking related deaths is not something that "happens"