San Diego determines our fate

[superonyx]

And you're right. It absolutely is. And that's why the 'Zeke bandwagon' avoids the facts of the situation like the plague. Because they're terrible.

The team previously stated that paying the NFL's leading rusher to keep him higher than they were comfortable paying at the position.

They followed that up by saying the same thing when Lamar Miller wanted to come to Dallas and play for 'his Cowboys'.

But now they're going to follow up that financial responsibility by making a rookie running back the Top 10 highest paid at his position?

Asinine. Undoing everything you've previously done, blowing up your own established financial constraints for the position, and essentially telling the world 'we have no plan and just make it up as we go along'.

You've built an offensive line that has made two different running backs over the last two years. One, a 3rd round draft pick, and the other a left-for-dead retread who had one foot out of the league.

And yet, somehow, even after McFadden becomes the #4 running back in the league (with no Romo or Bryant!), and Alfred Morris is added, some people still think you need to use the #4 overall draft pick on the position?

The Madden Football generation at its' finest.

The problem is that you and others made assumptions simply based in Murray leaving that the FO suddenly didn't value running backs and they would never spend money on one. Now you are falling back to your assumption when attaching people that want Zeke. (I am on the fence btw). You mentioning undoing everything we have done. Blowing up your established financial constraints. These constraints are your assumption.
Watch the pre draft press conference and you will see Jerry explain how they do value the RB position enough to spend the draft pick and salary on a RB if he was young enough and could be a 3 down back. It's you and everyone's assumptions that we would always go cheap on the RB position that is the problem. Jerry clearly explained that they don't feel tying up money to a player that has taken years of NFL abuse was smart. And that they don't feel the same way about a young RB new to the league.

 

[Stash]

The problem is that you and others made assumptions simply based in Murray leaving that the FO suddenly didn't value running backs and they would never spend money on one. Now you are falling back to your assumption when attaching people that want Zeke. (I am on the fence btw). You mentioning undoing everything we have done. Blowing up your established financial constraints. These constraints are your assumption.
Watch the pre draft press conference and you will see Jerry explain how they do value the RB position enough to spend the draft pick and salary on a RB if he was young enough and could be a 3 down back. It's you and everyone's assumptions that we would always go cheap on the RB position that is the problem. Jerry clearly explained that they don't feel tying up money to a player that has taken years of NFL abuse was smart. And that they don't feel the same way about a young RB new to the league.

They're not assumption, they're fact, based on multiple things the team has both said and done.

For the record, I'm not wasting the time trying to decipher the Jerry-speak if he's now trying to twist the facts to somehow claim that this won't be completely contrary to what they've previously done.

If you want to buy it, be my guest.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

I think it's unlikely San Diego takes Ramsey. They drafted Verett at CB last year and have Brandon Flowers at other CB, and siged Casey Hayward to be their nickel CB. While they did lose Weddle, I dont think they'd draft Ramsey that high to play S... They may trade their pick to someone who wants Ramsey bad. Or if they stay put, it's either Buckner or Tunsil IMO.

 

[superonyx]

They're not assumption, they're fact, based on multiple things the team has both said and done.

For the record, I'm not wasting the time trying to decipher the Jerry-speak if he's now trying to twist the facts to somehow claim that this won't be completely contrary to what they've previously done.

If you want to buy it, be my guest.

They are not facts..they are assumptions. I understand you having those..I always had them...
But I strongly believe they would have drafted Todd Gurley if they had the 10th pick last year.
Jerry was very clear and his points were very clear and do not at all contradict past statements.

It makes sense to be willing to invest in a RB in the first round if you feel one is a special talent who is only 20 or 21 years old vs a 27 year old 5 year vet on the wrong side of his career.

 

[Gaede]

I think it's unlikely San Diego takes Ramsey. They drafted Verett at CB last year and have Brandon Flowers at other CB, and siged Casey Hayward to be their nickel CB. While they did lose Weddle, I dont think they'd draft Ramsey that high to play S... They may trade their pick to someone who wants Ramsey bad. Or if they stay put, it's either Buckner or Tunsil IMO.

Agreed.

Does anyone want Ramsey bad enough to trade to 3?

From SDs POV, trading down a few spots is ideal--they'd still have a shot at Buckner, Tunsil, Stanley, Conklin

 

[slick325]

I think it's unlikely San Diego takes Ramsey. They drafted Verett at CB last year and have Brandon Flowers at other CB, and siged Casey Hayward to be their nickel CB. While they did lose Weddle, I dont think they'd draft Ramsey that high to play S... They may trade their pick to someone who wants Ramsey bad. Or if they stay put, it's either Buckner or Tunsil IMO.

They could always play him at FS this season and shift him to CB next season or whenever Flowers is let go. They have options with that pick.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Agreed.

Does anyone want Ramsey bad enough to trade to 3?

From SDs POV, trading down a few spots is ideal--they'd still have a shot at Buckner, Tunsil, Stanley, Conklin

Jax seems to be the most mentioned trade partner

 

[Stash]

They are not facts..they are assumptions. I understand you having those..I always had them...

It's not an "assumption" that they had a price point for the NFL's leafing rusher and met him walk away when another team exceeded that price.

It's also not an "assumption" that they had interest in and talked with Lamar Miller. Again moving in when his price point exceeded their allotted amount.

But I strongly believe they would have drafted Todd Gurley if they had the 10th pick last year.
Jerry was very clear and his points were very clear and do not at all contradict past statements.

It's not an unreasonable assumption, but an answer we'll never know.

It makes sense to be willing to invest in a RB in the first round if you feel one is a special talent who is only 20 or 21 years old vs a 27 year old 5 year vet on the wrong side of his career.

It doesn't make sense to decline to pay a proven, young, quality back in Lamar Miller and turn around in two months time to pay much more guaranteed money to a rookie. And waste the #4 overall pick to do it.

Jerry Jones can mumble all day and he's not selling that one!

 

[Stash]

Jax seems to be the most mentioned trade partner

That's what I've heard too. The Chargers are trying to get the Jags to move up.

 

[Stash]

Agreed.

Does anyone want Ramsey bad enough to trade to 3?

From SDs POV, trading down a few spots is ideal--they'd still have a shot at Buckner, Tunsil, Stanley, Conklin

Not me! The only player I would have considered it for is Goff and he's going at #1 overall. If anything, I'm trading down at this point.

 

[Gaede]

Not me! The only player I would have considered it for is Goff and he's going at #1 overall. If anything, I'm trading down at this point.

Agreed. I was mostly referring to other teams though. I don't see why any other team would trade up unless they really really like Ramsey.

 

[Ashwynn]

Another Zeke thread. Nice.

Can we ever have too many "Zeke" threads?

 

[Stash]

Agreed. I was mostly referring to other teams though. I don't see why any other team would trade up unless they really really like Ramsey.

Tunsil would be my guess. I can see Baltimore jumping up 3 spots to get him and make sure that the Titans don't.

I think San Diego likes Buckner and think they can get him at #5 or #6.

 

[slick325]

That's what I've heard too. The Chargers are trying to get the Jags to move up.

Almost sounded like Jerry Jones, Jason Garrett and Stephen Jones were begging a team to move up to 3 in order to take Ramsey. They lavished a lot of praise on him...

 

[Gaede]

Tunsil would be my guess. I can see Baltimore jumping up 3 spots to get him and make sure that the Titans don't.

I think San Diego likes Buckner and think they can get him at #5 or #6.

Yeah, that seems more likely than anyone going up for Ramsey

 

[superonyx]

It's not an "assumption" that they had a price point for the NFL's leafing rusher and met him walk away when another team exceeded that price.

It's also not an "assumption" that they had interest in and talked with Lamar Miller. Again moving in when his price point exceeded their allotted amount.



It's not an unreasonable assumption, but an answer we'll never know.



It doesn't make sense to decline to pay a proven, young, quality back in Lamar Miller and turn around in two months time to pay much more guaranteed money to a rookie. And waste the #4 overall pick to do it.

Jerry Jones can mumble all day and he's not selling that one!

They had a price point for a 27 year old back who had been injured every year he played. I wanted to keep Murray but I can understand the logic. Murray would be 32 when his 5 year deal ends.

Lamar Miller has had his ability to carry the load in Miami questioned by his coaches. Also he was young but he will be 29 when his deal ends.

Zeke Elliott is 20 years old and would only be 25 or 26 when his rookie contract is up. Most would agree that RB is the position with the smallest learning curve of all positions. So instead of a player in the draft that you have to hope transitions well and learns the game before he is half way into his rookie contract.

 

[Hardline]

As of now it's very likely Elliott is the choice.

 

[Hardline]

They had a price point for a 27 year old back who had been injured every year he played. I wanted to keep Murray but I can understand the logic. Murray would be 32 when his 5 year deal ends.

Lamar Miller has had his ability to carry the load in Miami questioned by his coaches. Also he was young but he will be 29 when his deal ends.

Zeke Elliott is 20 years old and would only be 25 or 26 when his rookie contract is up. Most would agree that RB is the position with the smallest learning curve of all positions. So instead of a player in the draft that you have to hope transitions well and learns the game before he is half way into his rookie contract.

This man gets it.

 

[RoboQB]

I don't see how Zeke gives us any more production than McFadden n Morris. Contrary to popular belief Zekes not going to run for 2000 yrs. He will most likely put up the same numbers that Gurley did last year about 230 carries n 1100 yrds McFadden did that last yr. I just don't get it.

Gurley played in 11 games... Zeke will start on day one, if they draft him... he'll easily go 1300 for his rookie season (I think more like 1400-1500)... plus he'll likely have 300 yds receiving... the offense will return to what worked... what they've been building... a power running game to control the clock and lock up victories... that calls for a RB to put up the above mentioned numbers... and that's what you have to work toward if it's your philosophy.

 

[Stash]

They had a price point for a 27 year old back who had been injured every year he played. I wanted to keep Murray but I can understand the logic. Murray would be 32 when his 5 year deal ends.

I can understand the logic too. And I agree. It was tough to see him go, but they had their price point for the running back position and I give them credit for sticking to their plan.

Lamar Miller has had his ability to carry the load in Miami questioned by his coaches.

Seriously? Is this the next ********, revisionist history attempt when it comes to Miller?

Also he was young but he will be 29 when his deal ends.

He'll be 28 years old when his four year deal ends with the Texans. As if that's somehow a bad thing? The guy literally just turned 25 years old one day ago.

Zeke Elliott is 20 years old and would only be 25 or 26 when his rookie contract is up. Most would agree that RB is the position with the smallest learning curve of all positions. So instead of a player in the draft that you have to hope transitions well and learns the game before he is half way into his rookie contract.

And a veteran, proven NFL running back has zero learning curve by comparison. Been there, done that. I wouldn't waste any more of your time here. This dog won't hunt.