Saturday Night Football Preaseason Game Thread

[DFWJC]

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47036/311/exploring-qb-hand-size

My point was not that small hands can each factor..it was that he does not have small hands in the first place.

 

[DFWJC]

Blake Bortles looked the best out of all the rookie qbs. Manziel looked below average at best against the lions D+ squad, but listening to these analysts you'd think he just won a playoff clincher.

Yes Bortles looked way better.
Manziel was so-so but not as good as Hoyer

 

[Deep_South]

I think Manziel looked pretty good for a rookie QB playing his first game. It certainly didn't look like the NFL is going to be too big for him, which has been a concern. Jerry should have grabbed this guy when he had the chance IMO. He has a good upside, while Weeden is kind of a potential emergency bus driver. Best case is Tony stays healthy this season and we take a QB early in next year's draft before Jerry convinces himself Weeden can be a starter. He's done that in the past with a laundry list of QBs who flopped elsewhere.

 

[DFWJC]

I think Manziel looked pretty good for a rookie QB playing his first game. It certainly didn't look like the NFL is going to be too big for him, which has been a concern. Jerry should have grabbed this guy when he had the chance IMO. He has a good upside, while Weeden is kind of a potential emergency bus driver. Best case is Tony stays healthy this season and we take a QB early in next year's draft before Jerry convinces himself Weeden can be a starter. He's done that in the past with a laundry list of QBs who flopped elsewhere.

Come on.

 

[Deep_South]

Well, I watched Johnny Football play a bunch of games last year and Weeden play several. Manziel looked great and is a natural leader whose teammates loved him. Weeden was so bad at least one NFL announcer thought he would never play in the NFL again. Tony's back is hanging over us like a dark cloud, Weeden is next in line, and that scares me. We need to score a lot of points, and if Tony goes down I just don't see that happening.

 

[sideon]

Well, I watched Johnny Football play a bunch of games last year and Weeden play several. Manziel looked great and is a natural leader whose teammates loved him. Weeden was so bad at least one NFL announcer thought he would never play in the NFL again. Tony's back is hanging over us like a dark cloud, Weeden is next in line, and that scares me. We need to score a lot of points, and if Tony goes down I just don't see that happening.

Mike Evans had a lot to do with Manziel looking great which people seem to be forgetting, comparing Manziel's college career to Weeden's pro career is unfair and inaccurate. Weeden was in a crappy situation in Cleveland and it'll be worse for Manziel because all he has is Miles & Burleson to throw to. If you Jerry haters want to believe Manziel is the 2nd coming based off a quarter of play against scrubs then go ahead, all i know is i saw this O-Line push everyone out the way and made Brandon Weeden & Joseph Randle look very impressive.

 

[waving monkey]

Mike Evans had a lot to do with Manziel looking great which people seem to be forgetting, comparing Manziel's college career to Weeden's pro career is unfair and inaccurate. Weeden was in a crappy situation in Cleveland and it'll be worse for Manziel because all he has is Miles & Burleson to throw to. If you Jerry haters want to believe Manziel is the 2nd coming based off a quarter of play against scrubs then go ahead, all i know is i saw this O-Line push everyone out the way and made Brandon Weeden & Joseph Randle look very impressive.

I tend to agree but it doesn't matter we took the right player. If Romo does get hurt the Manzeil pick might look OK
but the Martin pick will look great either way.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I think Manziel looked pretty good for a rookie QB playing his first game. It certainly didn't look like the NFL is going to be too big for him, which has been a concern. Jerry should have grabbed this guy when he had the chance IMO. He has a good upside, while Weeden is kind of a potential emergency bus driver. Best case is Tony stays healthy this season and we take a QB early in next year's draft before Jerry convinces himself Weeden can be a starter. He's done that in the past with a laundry list of QBs who flopped elsewhere.

LOL what is this with the Johnny football worship. People are already proclaiming him a hall of famer before he even played one snap in a regular season. I really don't care who our future QB is. If Weedon leads us to victory i'm fine with that. Frankly, I could care about Johnny football. I'll see what he does first before throwing praises at him and proclaiming him king.

 

[KB1122]

What are you guys talking about? Manziel went 7 for 11 and would have gone 10 for 11 with better receivers (1 drop, 1 didn't get his feet in, 1 didn't go to ground for the reception). Plus the running. Very good debut.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

What are you guys talking about? Manziel went 7 for 11 and would have gone 10 for 11 with better receivers (1 drop, 1 didn't get his feet in, 1 didn't go to ground for the reception). Plus the running. Very good debut.

The only bad play I saw was when he took off for a first down and he had an open receiver and should have thrown it. He made the first down though. He also tried to slide head first on his third play but he learned and the second time he went feet first. He played pretty well. I don't know if he will beat out Hoyer right now because he played well too but Johnny had a pretty good start.

 

[ConstantReboot]

What are you guys talking about? Manziel went 7 for 11 and would have gone 10 for 11 with better receivers (1 drop, 1 didn't get his feet in, 1 didn't go to ground for the reception). Plus the running. Very good debut.

Its only a preseason game and other rookies had better performances than Manziel. Heck, Weedon's performance as a Cowboy was better than Manziel but so what. Does this prove that Weedon is better or vice versa? Not at all. But to make excuses that he could have and should have to make a point about a player is going overboard. Especially when he went against the other teams 2nd and 3rd stringers. Mind you, Weedon faced SD 1st string and threw a TD. It baffles me to hear people say that Manziel was absolutely spectacular even though he didn't even throw a TD.

 

[Jerryrage]

Lol Manziel is the white version of Willie Steamin Beaman

ROFL

 

[joseephuss]

My point was not that small hands can each factor..it was that he does not have small hands in the first place.

Kellen Moore's hands measured 9.5". That is small according to the article I linked and most other things I read about the matter.

 

[tantrix1969]

The only bad play I saw was when he took off for a first down and he had an open receiver and should have thrown it. He made the first down though. He also tried to slide head first on his third play but he learned and the second time he went feet first. He played pretty well. I don't know if he will beat out Hoyer right now because he played well too but Johnny had a pretty good start.

Yea for his first action he looked decent, and I hope for his sake Cleveland doesn't start him at all this year and lets him sit and learn.

 

[ufcrules1]

lol @ the Manziel hate. He looked fantastic out there to me. This kid is going to become a solid QB in the NFL. Can you imagine if he was in Dallas and had the weapons we have on offense? We should have never passed on him. It is going to come back and haunt us for many years.

 

[DogFace]

LOL what is this with the Johnny football worship. People are already proclaiming him a hall of famer before he even played one snap in a regular season. I really don't care who our future QB is. If Weedon leads us to victory i'm fine with that. Frankly, I could care about Johnny football. I'll see what he does first before throwing praises at him and proclaiming him king.

I predict this turns into : people are proclaiming him great after one regular game, then one season....Then it may stop.

 

[Floatyworm]

Kellen Moore....all the guy does is win. When Detroit got the ball back w/ 2 minutes and change I knew the W was money in the bank. Just makes me sick to see him stuck in Detroit.

 

[DFWJC]

Kellen Moore's hands measured 9.5". That is small according to the article I linked and most other things I read about the matter.

Yeah, I was thinking this was about Maziel...so was off track

 

[Deep_South]

Mike Evans had a lot to do with Manziel looking great which people seem to be forgetting, comparing Manziel's college career to Weeden's pro career is unfair and inaccurate. Weeden was in a crappy situation in Cleveland and it'll be worse for Manziel because all he has is Miles & Burleson to throw to. If you Jerry haters want to believe Manziel is the 2nd coming based off a quarter of play against scrubs then go ahead, all i know is i saw this O-Line push everyone out the way and made Brandon Weeden & Joseph Randle look very impressive.

Jerry hater? This isn't "hate", it is history. That Jerry rounded up some over-the-hill QBs and some other soon-to-be flops and brought them to Dallas after the Aikman era ended is undeniable. It wasn't until Drew Bledsoe had such a bad first half against the Giants in 2006 that Parcells put Romo in and ended the string of flops. Remember Chad Hutchinson, Anthony Wright, Clint Stoerner, Ryan Leaf, Vinnie Testaverde, Drew Henson, and Quincy Carter? Then there was Brad Johnson, who was OK in a preseason game but not OK when he had to start and Kyle Orton who apparently just quit. The Stephen McGee project didn't work out. Randall Cunningham even showed up at some point early-on, and probably a few others I've forgotten.

As far as Mike Evans making Manziel, he's a good receiver, but not as good as Dez or Josh Gordon in Cleveland, who played yesterday while he is appealing his suspension. So if Johnny Football needs a great receiver to thrive he would have had one here, and he will eventually have one in Cleveland.

In any case Weeden had a QB rating last year of 70.3. His career rating is 71.8. Tony's rating last year was 96.8. His career rating is 95.8. Clearly, with our D we need some great production from our QB to go 8-8. Oh, and forget about the "second coming". There is no way Manziel was going to beat out a healthy or even semi-healthy Tony Romo this year. I think he has probably already beat out the guy in Cleveland, but that guy has only had a few career starts.

 

[joseephuss]

Kellen Moore....all the guy does is win. When Detroit got the ball back w/ 2 minutes and change I knew the W was money in the bank. Just makes me sick to see him stuck in Detroit.

All he does is win in college and pre-season games. Winning in the regular season and playoffs is a different animal.

1) Kellen Moore (Boise State): 50-3
2) Colt McCoy (Texas): 45-8
3) Andy Dalton (TCU): 42-7
4) David Greene (Georgia): 42-10
5) Peyton Manning (Tennessee): 39-6

The 5 winningest QBs in NCAA history. Combined they won 0 Heisman trophies and 0 national championships. One is a great NFL QB, one is an average NFL QB, 2 are bench warmers and 1 never played a meaningful down in the NFL over 5 seasons. Continue down the list of winningest college QBs down to the 20 or 30 and there are not many that were able to turn that ability to win into NFL success.