Schefter: Ripple effects from the Schaub trade

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(March 21, 2007) -- An offseason of trades was trumped Wednesday with the biggest one to date.

In a sign-and-trade deal, Atlanta sent quarterback Matt Schaub to the Houston Texans for a second-round draft choice this year, a second-round draft choice next year and a flip-flop of draft positions in the first round this year. Atlanta now goes to No. 8 overall from No. 10; Houston goes to No. 10 from No. 8. And Schaub gets a blockbuster contract from the Texans, who are still paying for their draft decisions last year.

As if that weren't enough, there are plenty of other ripples from the trade that temporarily upstaged talk of the NCAA basketball tournament:

*After declining to draft Vince Young last year, the Texans addressed their need at quarterback this year. In Schaub, they are acquiring a 25-year-old quarterback with only two NFL starts, six touchdown passes and six interceptions on his resume.

One agent said this trade smacked off the one that Buffalo once made for former Jacksonville quarterback Rob Johnson, after he made one successful start for the Jaguars.

Most NFL personnel people believe Schaub will be an ideal fit for Texans head coach Gary Kubiak's system, a quarterback who can thrive in a West-Coast-based offense. Schaub is said to have a nice touch, good vision, leadership skills, but not as much mobility as coaches would like.

Yet Schaub better succeed for the sake of Kubiak. His future in Houston is riding on his new quarterback.

*David Carr's time in Houston is all but done.

Houston shopped him, found no takers and now, with a new quarterback with a hefty contract on its payroll, the Texans have no room for Carr.

It is only a matter of time until the Texans release him, another quarterback drafted No. 1 that failed to pan out.

Where Carr surfaces is an intriguing subplot. It doesn't look like Oakland, which expressed no interest in trading for Carr and considering drafting LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell. But it also should be pointed out that Raiders coach Lane Kiffin was on the Fresno State coaching staff when Carr starred there. If Kiffin wants Carr, it could change the Raiders interest in him.

Minnesota, Detroit and Cleveland are searching for quarterbacks, and any could take a flyer on Carr. But there doesn't seem to be an obvious landing spot for Carr, at least not now. When and if he is released, the circumstances would change, and a team such as the Vikings would become even more intrigued. But only after Carr is released.

Wherever Carr lands, he will have a hard time trying to recoup the $6.75 million in base salary that he was scheduled to earn this season in Houston.

*Houston actually saves millions by ridding itself of Carr, switching two spots in the first round of the draft and surrendering its second-round pick this year.

Once Houston divorces Carr, the quarterback will count $2 million against the Texans' salary-cap this season. But his $6.75 million base salary also will come off the Texans books, meaning they will save $4.75 million against this year's salary cap.

Also, by dropping back two spots in the first round, the Texans will save another $2 million, and by trading its second-round pick, Houston will save another $4 million. All together, it's a financial boon -- much of it that will be used on Schaub's new contract.

*Moving up to No. 8 allowed Atlanta to leapfrog Miami, which was eyeing two prospects that greatly intrigued the Falcons -- Penn State offensive tackle Levi Brown and LSU safety LaRon Landry.

Now, Atlanta doesn't have to wait for Miami to make its pick. As the draft stands now, the Falcons go first.

Each team has a need at left tackle, in which Brown would fit in nicely. Each team has a need at safety, in which Landry would fit in nicely.

Atlanta gets to decide which player is more valuable.

Now there also is another alternative for Atlanta. At No. 8, and armed with two extra second-round picks in each of the next two years, the Falcons have added ammunition in case they decide they want to trade up to try to pluck Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson.

If the Falcons could find a way to land him, Atlanta would rejoice at the idea of its favorite college player not having to leave the city. And Michael Vick would have the most talented target he has ever thrown to.

*Wednesday's trade reaffirms the Falcons' commitment to starting quarterback Michael Vick, whom new Atlanta head coach Bobby Petrino told the first time they met, 'You're my guy'.

Since then, Petrino and Vick have been working together closely on an almost daily basis, prepping for the coming season.

Petrino knows that his success, and the success of the franchise, rests in Vick, who must elevate his game this season. If he doesn't, the Falcons no longer have a dependable backup such as Schaub. He has been shipped out.

To replace Schaub, the Falcons will need to sign another quarterback. The most likely choice would be former Baltimore and Cincinnati backup Anthony Wright, an unrestricted free agent. The Falcons have studied Wright, are intrigued and could move quickly to try to bring him in.

But the trade intensifies the spotlight on Vick.

*Early on, a couple of weeks ago, Houston inquired about trading for Kansas City quarterback Trent Green.

But just like it won't be drafting Quinn, Houston also won't be inquiring any more about Green. It leaves the Dolphins as the most logical landing spot for Green; maybe even the only landing spot.

And those talks appear to be intensifying. Chiefs president Carl Peterson spent part of Wednesday at Tennessee's pro day with Dolphins general manager Randy Mueller.

Chances are, they weren't talking about Tennessee left tackle Aaron Sears. The two already have discussed a Green-to-Miami trade and those talks are ongoing.

Also consider this: we've seen this offseason that once movement kicks off at one position -- three running backs traded earlier this month in the same week -- it usually continues on. Chances are, the ongoing trade talks between the Dolphins and Chiefs heat up. Soon. If they haven't already.

*Brady Quinn now has one less pursuer. The Texans had been enamored with Quinn and had the Notre Dame quarterback dropped to No. 8, Houston certainly would have picked him.

But now that Houston has its new quarterback of the future, Quinn's potential landing spots are Detroit at No. 2, Cleveland at No. 3, Minnesota at No. 7 and Miami at No. 9.

*Teams value draft picks, but even more so as the draft gets closer and closer.

How else to explain how no team is willing to give up as much as a seventh-round pick for linebacker Joey Porter, but the Miami Dolphins are willing to give a five-year, $32 million contract, including $20 million in guaranteed money.

How else to explain how no team is willing to trade for Carr, but some team will pounce on him once he's on the street?

Teams are hesitant to part with draft picks. But they never are more hesitant to do it than at this time.

*And if all that weren't enough action for one day, there was even a little more Wednesday:

-- It was learned that earlier this week, the Cleveland Browns picked up the $1.5 million roster bonus on injured center LeCharles Bentley 's contract, meaning that the team has no plans to release him anytime soon. The Browns still are hoping that Bentley can resume his career, but the feeling is that it will not be this season.

-- Talks between the running back needy Buffalo Bills and Tennessee's free agent Chris Brown are heating up. Brown would provide the Bills with a nice alternative until the draft, where Buffalo still could be poised to pick up either Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson or California's Marshawn Lynch.

-- The Chiefs released veteran offensive tackle Kyle Turley, who is considering retirement.

-- After Kansas City placed long snapper Adam Johnson on waivers, Tampa Bay claimed him.

-- Oakland signed free agent quarterback Josh Booty, the former LSU standout.

-- New England re-signed restricted free agent defensive back Rashad Baker.

Let's see Thursday top all of that.

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It will be interesting to see where Carr winds up. I don't see him coming to Dallas as we just signed Brad Johnson and I can't see Jerry wanting two young QBs although to me that would be a good thing, I just think Carr will want a lot of money and a chance to start.

That said, Cleveland would seem to be a good spot for him but I have the feeling that he will end up as the backup somewhere, maybe St. Louis or even San Diego.

I feel sorry for LaRon Landry if he ends up with the Falcons. Playing for Zimrod will suck for him.
 

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If Green goes to Miami, what happens to Culpepper?
 

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Alexander;1430763 said:
If Green goes to Miami, what happens to Culpepper?

He'll probably continue to stand on the sideline, hands gripping his shoulder-pads, wearing his "who farted?" face.

Actually, they still don't know if he'll ever be worth a darn on that knee. They gotta do something.
 

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superpunk;1430767 said:
He'll probably continue to stand on the sideline, hands gripping his shoulder-pads, wearing his "who farted?" face.

Actually, they still don't know if he'll ever be worth a darn on that knee. They gotta do something.

I never understood that trade.
 

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Alexander;1430763 said:
If Green goes to Miami, what happens to Culpepper?

I think the QB job in Miami is Culpepper's to lose, they are trying to bring in Green incase Culpepper plays as badly as he did last year, IMO.
 

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adamknite;1430793 said:
I think the QB job in Miami is Culpepper's to lose, they are trying to bring in Green incase Culpepper plays as badly as he did last year, IMO.

Unless Green comes for nothing, I don't see it.

Nor do I see him going to be a backup in Miami. He could just stay in KC and compete with Huard if that were the case.
 

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it wont happen but imagine quinn slipping to 22. I would take him there in a heartbeat, as would everyone...

I dont think it would happen but you never know.
 

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Alexander;1430763 said:
If Green goes to Miami, what happens to Culpepper?

Arena Football? I wouldn't let him play for my NFL team. He is a...

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Alexander;1430799 said:
Unless Green comes for nothing, I don't see it.

Nor do I see him going to be a backup in Miami. He could just stay in KC and compete with Huard if that were the case.

If he's traded he doesn't have a choice except to retire if he doesn't want to be a backup in miami. Also that's what I meant his role would be in Miami is to compete with Culpepper for the starting job, it's just Culpeppers to lose. I think I worded my above post wrong and it came out kinda confusing. Also I don't think KC has any intentions on keeping Green, if they can't get a deal done i think they'll release him since they gave Huard that new contract and have Croyle.
 

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theebs;1430808 said:
it wont happen but imagine quinn slipping to 22. I would take him there in a heartbeat, as would everyone...

I dont think it would happen but you never know.

This talk of Quinn falling that low (or even out of the first round entirely) is completely ridiculous.
 

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Alexander;1430818 said:
This talk of Quinn falling that low (or even out of the first round entirely) is completely ridiculous.


yep, no doubt. I really dont understand why cleveland wouldnt take him personally, or detroit. It really would be questionable to pass him up given their situations.
 

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theebs;1430823 said:
yep, no doubt. I really dont understand why cleveland wouldnt take him personally, or detroit. It really would be questionable to pass him up given their situations.
Because both teams have been burnt on taking high-round QBs more than any other team in recent history. And Cleveland has been busting on high round picks at ridiculous high rate.

The draft is a crap shoot, but when you're constantly crapping out. It does make you hesitate.
 

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WoodysGirl;1430828 said:
Because both teams have been burnt on taking high-round QBs more than any other team in recent history. And Cleveland has been busting on high round picks at ridiculous high rate.

The draft is a crap shoot, but when you're constantly crapping out. It does make you hesitate.


yep I agree. THat is why it is comical that detroit should be elated that calvin johnson is there for the taking, but because of public perception and recent past they almost cant take a wr even though he is a freak athlete.

As far as cleveland goes, they should be all over quinn. You cant really get the ball rolling until you have a qb and this would at least bring hope and optimism to the city and the fans around the country of the browns. Regardless of their recent past. If they take quinn and get winslow and edwards healthy, along with Joe J. They would have a very good offense.
 

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WoodysGirl;1430754 said:
(March 21, 2007) -- An offseason of trades was trumped Wednesday with the biggest one to date.

In a sign-and-trade deal, Atlanta sent quarterback Matt Schaub to the Houston Texans for a second-round draft choice this year, a second-round draft choice next year and a flip-flop of draft positions in the first round this year. Atlanta now goes to No. 8 overall from No. 10; Houston goes to No. 10 from No. 8. And Schaub gets a blockbuster contract from the Texans, who are still paying for their draft decisions last year.

Nice deal for the Falcons. This is why it pays to draft a QB to groom. Imagine having a backup worth 2 second round picks and a move up in the first round.
 

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Colo;1430857 said:
Nice deal for the Falcons. This is why it pays to draft a QB to groom. Imagine having a backup worth 2 second round picks and a move up in the first round.

A very good point! :bow:
 

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The Texans seem to want to challenge the Lions & Cardinals as the worst team in the league. What a bunch of morons.
 

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WoodysGirl;1430828 said:
Because both teams have been burnt on taking high-round QBs more than any other team in recent history. And Cleveland has been busting on high round picks at ridiculous high rate.

The draft is a crap shoot, but when you're constantly crapping out. It does make you hesitate.

After reading your comment I thought I would see just how badly the Browns have been sucking on high picks:

Since they were re-franchised in 1999 the Browns have had 14 picks in the top-50 including 5 in the top-10, and also including 2 #1 overall picks.

I'll go down the list according to the player's draft number:

#1 1999 QB Tim Couch - Out of football after the 2003 season although his name has resurfaced from time to time, most recently last year when he was in the Packer's TC but was released after a couple of weeks. He never lived up to the hype coming out of college and certainly didn't live up to being the #1 overall pick in 1999 (although he turned out to be a better QB than #3 pick Akili Smith or #12 Cade McNown). Not a total bust (like Heath Shuler or Terry Baker) as he played below average but a long ways from what you would expect from the #1 pick. That qualifies him as a major bust.

#1 2000 DE Courtney Brown - Now this guy was a total bust. He is still in the league, playing with Denver the last 2 years, but he didn't play at all last season. He looked like he might come on in his 2nd season when he had 4.5 sacks in 5 games but he got hurt and never showed that ability again.

#3 2001 DT Gerrard Warren - Another DL who has since moved on to the Denver Broncos. He had a decent year as a rookie but went downhill from there, never a good sign. He is a journeyman player who is fortunate to be starting at all. Major bust.

#3 2005 WR Braylon Edwards - Edwards didn't do much his rookie year, which isn't that unusual for a rookie WR but his 2nd season he did come on a bit more. Still, 61 catches for 884 yards and 6 TDs isn't exactly lighting it up and you surely expect a lot more from the 3rd guy taken in the draft. He has shown some skills at times but is very inconsistent and doesn't look like he will ever amount to a whole lot. Major bust.

#6 2004 TE Kellen Winslow Jr. - Bad stuff just seems to happen to this guy which is usually a sign that he is pretty stupid and puts himself into dumb situations where bad stuff is likely to happen (hear that Keith Davis?). When he finally got to play last year he did pretty good with 89 receptions (which led the league) for 875 yards but only 3 TDs. I think he will eventually be a top TE in the league but only if he changes his lifestyle and attitude. Potential star.

#13 2006 LB Kamerion Wimbley - Wimbley was a guy many were hoping we would select and he certainly made some of us wish we had instead of Carpenter as he racked up 62 tackles and 11 sacks in his rookie season. He is a total loss in pass coverage but is a very good pass rusher. Will have to see if he will have a sophomore slump but I think he will be a star in the league.

#16 2002 RB William Green - You expect a lot more from a mid-1st round pick than 887 yards, which wasn't too bad for a rookie but that was his best year. He went downhill from there and was released injured after the 2005 season. He has not yet resurfaced but he probably will eventually. I don't expect him to be anything more than a 3rd string guy though. Solid bust.

#21 2003 C Jeff Faine - It's hard to rate OLs but Faine was decent for the Browns. They took the opportunity to upgrade with LeCharles Bentley and Faine replaced Bentley with the Saints. He was a Pro-Bowl alternate this past season with New Orleans so he must not suck too badly. What sucks for the Browns is that Bentley got a huge contract but never got to play for them as he went down in a training camp drill with a major knee injury. Faine wasn't a bust but they could sure use him now.Good player.


That's all of the 1st round picks. Of their high 2nd rounders, 4 of them were WRs and only one is still with the team, Dennis Northcutt, and he isn't all that.


In the final analysis, I would say that the last few drafts have been pretty good for the Browns in the 1st round, getting Faine, Winslow, Edwards, & Wimbley after blowing all 4 of the previous ones. It just kills me to see 2 #1s and a #3 wasted like that (Couch, Brown, & Warren).

We've blown a lot of draft picks but none as high as those.
 
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