Schramm vs Jones

[VaqueroTD]

Now do it with out Jimmy and his squad. Pretty sad

We just need to put an asterisk next to the years that Jimmy truly was our GM. And stop this nonsense once and for all, that skews Jerry's numbers. Jerry can even have the 93 and 94 seasons even though we all know they were still living off the fumes of that great franchise Jimmy built. Give Jerry credit for having the stones to fire Landry and the rest of the old gang, and bring in a brash college championship coach as the man, but give Jimmy credit for being the one who turned around those GM operations. Even after all these years, I have yet to read or watch anything that credits Jerry for the football operations, just the business and merchandising operations.

 

[Diehardblues]

We just need to put an asterisk next to the years that Jimmy truly was our GM. And stop this nonsense once and for all, that skews Jerry's numbers. Jerry can even have the 93 and 94 seasons even though we all know they were still living off the fumes of that great franchise Jimmy built. Give Jerry credit for having the stones to fire Landry and the rest of the old gang, and bring in a brash college championship coach as the man, but give Jimmy credit for being the one who turned around those GM operations. Even after all these years, I have yet to read or watch anything that credits Jerry for the football operations, just the business and merchandising operations.

I think you mean the 94 and 95 seasons after Jimmy left. Jimmy was still here in 93.

 

[Diehardblues]

If we adjust the Jone$ era without Jimmy, and we’ll give Jethro the seasons with Jimmy’s built team.

1994-2025
32 years

1 SB win
2 NFC champ app
15 playoff app

since 2000
26 years

No SB or NFC champ app
10 playoff app

 

[jazzcat22]

Here we go again.

 

[Diehardblues]

And remember it was harder to make the playoffs back then, you had to win your division. Now almost half the teams make the playoffs due to all the wild cards.

There was one wild card added in merger 1970 . Cowboys were first WC team to make SB in 1975.

1978 when NFL went to 16 games another WC team was added to both conferences.

1990 playoffs expanded WC to 3 in each conference.

Then, in 2002, when the league expanded to 32 teams, the NFL realigned into eight four-team divisions went back to 2 WC teams.

With 8 division winners only had 2 WC’s in each conference until league expanded to 17 games adding the 3rd WC team back.

 

[DandyDon52]

In all fairness to Jerry, and yes I know how hard that is to do, neither Tex Schramm nor Jimmy Johnson had to deal with free agency and the salary cap. Well technically Jimmy did in Miami and the results were pretty poor.

well FA started in 93, and all the other teams had same thing to work with but jimmy built the best team
in the nfl.
Miami was a different story, he had no big walker trade,if the owner would have let him, they could have traded
marino and got alot of picks, and a new young qb.
Jimmy built a good defense there , the problem was mainly offense.

 

[Diehardblues]

well FA started in 93, and all the other teams had same thing to work with but jimmy built the best team
in the nfl.
Miami was a different story, he had no big walker trade,if the owner would have let him, they could have traded
marino and got alot of picks, and a new young qb.
Jimmy built a good defense there , the problem was mainly offense.

You mean Unlimited FA.

FA was established with Supreme Court Curt Flood decision 1972.

Also the Salary Cap was implemented in 1994.

 

[RonnieT24]

well FA started in 93, and all the other teams had same thing to work with but jimmy built the best team
in the nfl.
Miami was a different story, he had no big walker trade,if the owner would have let him, they could have traded
marino and got alot of picks, and a new young qb.
Jimmy built a good defense there , the problem was mainly offense.

As I recall Jimmy inherited a top 10 defense and maintained it in the teens for all but one of Jimmy's years there. I looked it up.. the defensive rankings were 17, 16, 1, 19. One great year against 3 pretty mediocre years. I will go to my grave believing that Jimmy and Jerry quite simply perfect for each other and neither worked without the other. Had they been able to keep it together there is little doubt in my mind that they would have won more Super Bowls.. but neither man could put aside his ego to let that happen. So I will always be mad at both of them for what happened and worship at the altar of neither.

 

[Creeper]

To be fair, Schramm and Brandt did not have a salary CAP to worry about and free agency was not an issue either, not like today. The Rozelle rule severely restricted teams from signing free agents from other teams because of the arbitrary compensation required by Rozelle from the teams signing free agents.

Teams that drafted well were able to retain those players for their entire careers or until their team no longer wanted them.

We didn't see real free agency in the NFL until 1992.

I am not excusing Jerry. He is a football idiot. But it is something that makes team building very different. One good example of how it changed football is the use of rookies. Landry hated playing rookies. He felt they were prone to mistakes and lacked discipline. Today, rookies have to perform right away because once their rookie contracts expire, they could sign somewhere else.

 

[Diehardblues]

To be fair, Schramm and Brandt did not have a salary CAP to worry about and free agency was not an issue either, not like today. The Rozelle rule severely restricted teams from signing free agents from other teams because of the arbitrary compensation required by Rozelle from the teams signing free agents.

Teams that drafted well were able to retain those players for their entire careers or until their team no longer wanted them.

We didn't see real free agency in the NFL until 1992.

I am not excusing Jerry. He is a football idiot. But it is something that makes team building very different. One good example of how it changed football is the use of rookies. Landry hated playing rookies. He felt they were prone to mistakes and lacked discipline. Today, rookies have to perform right away because once their rookie contracts expire, they could sign somewhere else.

It’s called Unlimited Free Agency.

We had FA going back to the 70’s after the 1972 Supreme Court ruling. And how we acquired other teams talents like Herb Adderly, Lance Alworth, Jackie Smith, John Dutton to name a few.

While trades were more popular to obtain other teams players before UFA players did move to other teams when their contracts expired. It just wasn’t as prevalent since without Cap most teams were able to resign all of their stars retaining them for entire career if they wanted them.

More teams retained veterans even using them as backups as their careers neared the end. There was no minimum contract for 10 year veterans.

Many factors were in play but I’d argue the Cap played the biggest role in team mgmt when their contracts expired. UFA just provided the mechanism to move more freely. But without Cap most teams would have retained stars.

 

[nhcowboysfan]

Wrong, Jerry is the coach.

Good observation. In reality, Jerry hired only two coaches (Jimmy and Parcells). He's had 7 tries as head coach all the other times.

 

[blueblood70]

As I recall Jimmy inherited a top 10 defense and maintained it in the teens for all but one of Jimmy's years there. I looked it up.. the defensive rankings were 17, 16, 1, 19. One great year against 3 pretty mediocre years. I will go to my grave believing that Jimmy and Jerry quite simply perfect for each other and neither worked without the other. Had they been able to keep it together there is little doubt in my mind that they would have won more Super Bowls.. but neither man could put aside his ego to let that happen. So I will always be mad at both of them for what happened and worship at the altar of neither.

 

[Creeper]

It’s called Unlimited Free Agency.

We had FA going back to the 70’s after the 1972 Supreme Court ruling. And how we acquired other teams talents like Herb Adderly, Lance Alworth, Jackie Smith, John Dutton to name a few.

While trades were more popular to obtain other teams players before UFA players did move to other teams when their contracts expired. It just wasn’t as prevalent since without Cap most teams were able to resign all of their stars retaining them for entire career if they wanted them.

More teams retained veterans even using them as backups as their careers neared the end. There was no minimum contract for 10 year veterans.

Many factors were in play but I’d argue the Cap played the biggest role in team mgmt when their contracts expired. UFA just provided the mechanism to move more freely. But without Cap most teams would have retained stars.

Yes, but during the Gil Brandt Tex Schramm era signing a free agent meant compensating the team you signed him from which could have been players or draft picks. There was also a period where teams had right of first refusal meaning they could match any free agent contract and retain their players. Unlimited free agency did not come until 1992.

 

[Asklesko]

It's been thirty years since the last super bowl...

 

[Diehardblues]

Yes, but during the Gil Brandt Tex Schramm era signing a free agent meant compensating the team you signed him from which could have been players or draft picks. There was also a period where teams had right of first refusal meaning they could match any free agent contract and retain their players. Unlimited free agency did not come until 1992.

Correct. But 2 years following in 94 opened the door for UFA to flourish.

The bigger point is we had FA during earlier era but without Cap most teams retained their stars.

 

[mardwin]

Tex Schramm - 28 Years:

• Total Conference Championships Appearances (NFC): 11
• NFC Championships (Post-Merger): 5 (1970, 1971, 1975, 1977, 1978).
• Super Bowl Appearances: 5
• Super Bowl Wins: 2

Jerry Jones - 37 years:

• Total Conference Championships Appearances (NFC): 4
• NFC Championships (Post-Merger): 3 (1992, 1993, 1995).
• Super Bowl Appearances: 3
• Super Bowl Wins: 3

Those 3 superbowls was all Jimmy.

Go watch the Bob Costa interview with Jimmy and Jerry, when Jimmy told Jerry in his face that he didn't respect his football knowledge. Jimmy was 100% right.

 

[mardwin]

Correct. But 2 years following in 94 opened the door for UFA to flourish.

The bigger point is we had FA during earlier era but without Cap most teams retained their stars.

30-years and the only 2 teams that have not reached a conference championship are the Browns and the Cowboys.