Scientific Football '09: The Corner Kids Are Alright

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Scientific Football '09: The Corner Kids Are Alright by Rafael Vela on Jun 9, 2009 12:04 AM CDT 7 comments


I had a long talk with the Football Scientist K.C. Joyner yesterday. He's hard at work on Scientific Football '09, and he gave me an extended peek at what promises to be the biggest and best edition yet.

I can't reveal very much of what I saw but I will show you how you can get your own early access to the book as it develops. What I can share are a few pass coverage metrics which strongly suggest that the Cowboys were right to promote the kids Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick to right corner and slot corner.



Midway through the '08 season, shortly after the blowout loss to the Giants, I spoke to a source who told me he was hearing through league grapevines that teams were targeting Anthony Henry, feeling he had lost his top gear. Some of these sources felt, at that early stage, that Mike Jenkins was a better option at corner. He was green, but he had the athleticism and recovery speed Henry no longer seemed to possess.

Dallas stuck with Henry the rest of the way, inserting him in the lineup when he recovered from his usual assortment of strains and sprains. They didn't stay with him a minute longer than that; Henry was swapped to Detroit in the Jon Kitna deal and Jenkins today mans the right corner slot opposite Terence Newman.

The '08 pass metrics show that the veterans dropped badly last year. Here's a four year chart of Henry and Newman's YPAs. (League rank in parentheses)

Player-team 2005 2006 2007 2008 Avg.
Terence Newman
5.8 (7th) 7.1 (29th) 6.1 (14th) 8.3 6.8
Anthony Henry
7.7 (53rd) 6.7 (20th) 6.6 (22nd) 7.7 7.2



It is not surprising, but until last year, Newman was consistently better than Henry. Both dropped off last year, but for different reasons. Newman fought a hernia, which finally shut him down mid-season. He had some of his worst-ever games just before the surgery, most notably in the October Commanders loss, where Santana Moss roasted him.

Those injured games inflated Newman's numbers, but he had some strong games post-surgery. He contained Moss in the rematch win and kept Domenik Hixon under wraps in Dallas' December win over the Giants.

Evidence that Newman still has it when healthy (and I should point out that his '04 through '07 YPA average ranked 2nd among NFL corners who played all four seasons) was his 40.4% success rate against passes his way. 40% is the dividing line for starting corners; a percentage above 40 denotes quality. The further below it the fall, the more sub-par you are.

Newman success percentage averaged 44.7% the previous three seasons and he kept it above 40% even when hobbled.

Henry, on the other hand, saw his percentage plummet to 35% just one season after posting a very strong 48%. In fact, Henry's breakup percentages were consistently better than Newman's his first three years in Dallas. His lowest total came in '06, when he posted a 45% success rate. Dave Campo summed up Henry's game perfectly in camp when he told me, "he's not the fastest guy, but he gets his hands on a lot of footballs." Until '08, this was definitely the case. It does appear, however, that Henry's closing skills began to abandon him last year, and quickly.

And the rookies? Scandrick and Jenkins both posted YPAs under 6.0, which are excellent. Their success percentages were well into the 40s. Scandrick came remarkably close to the 50% mark, which is the true floor for anybody wanting to lay claim to the misleading "shut-down corner" title. As I wrote last year:

Stopping opponents 50% of the time appears to be the threshold for being considered a shutdown corner. In the last three years ['05-'07] only 38 corners have achieved this — 9 in 2005, 17 in 2006 and 12 last season. Since shutdown connotes performance far above 50%, I think that the term should be discarded or ignored; literal shut-down corners simply don’t exist.

Only once in that span has a corner topped 60% in success percentage, that coming last year when the Raiders Nnamdi Asomugha posed a 62.9% success rate. Asomugha is the hardest corner to throw against, topping 50% in each of the last three years, the only cornerback to do so.

-- Do YPAs Mimic the SAT? BSR, July 14, 2008



The Cowboys appear to have hit with both their big '08 corner picks, and given Henry's seeming rapid decline, the timing could not have been better. Many Cowboys fans are anxious because the team is entrusting a lot of key spots to youngsters this year. In the secondary, I think it's the older hands, Newman and Ken Hamlin, who have the bigger questions to answer. The kids, based on their admittedly small '08 samples, appear to be fine.

Want the full corner numbers?

Want to know if Demarcus Ware really is a complete, dominant linebacker?

Want to know where Jay Ratliff ranks among NFL nose tackles against the run?

Want to know if Flozell Adams is in early decline or merely worked through a series of injuries?

Want to know how Anthony Spencer's play compared to Greg Ellis', and if Dallas cast off the vet too soon?

Don't want to wait until camp for the answers? I recommend following this link to Scientific Football 2009's page. This year's book contains running game metrics, in addition to the usual passing game stats. This gives an idea of how each team's offensive and defensive front sevens performed last season.

Joyner is using the internet to give early buyers early access to his stats. He's completing stats one division at a time and told me that anybody who orders the book now will get the run stats e-mailed to them every week as he completes them. He had the AFC East and NFC West completed as of Sunday and will post the NFC East late this week.

These stats will let you compare Dallas' offensive line to every other one in the division -- and the league. You can see how the Dallas tackles compare to the Eagles', and the Giants' and the Commanders'. You can see if Jason Peters is really worth the big deal Philly gave him. You can see how each Dallas defensive lineman and linebacker did against the run. And you can get the numbers ASAP. Just go here.

And dont' forget to tell KC BloggingtheBoys sent you.
 

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Sports is a young mans game...which is why the Eagles rarely re-sign a player over a certain age...usually 32. They spend all of their time drafting and developing their players and less time having to sign free agents to make up for their draft mistakes. We need to start thinking that way, so that we can get rid of a guy a year early versus 2 years late....We need to find Flo's replacement this year...
 

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Henry was unfairly criticized for a long time. BUT he did clearly lose a step last year. I am glad Joyner points out how incredibly consistent Newman has been. All those idiots that take their very stupid shots at him are really out to lunch.
 

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One problem with the way the Eagles do business is that they will never get the loyalty and dedication from enough players that I think is really critical to winning the title.
 

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burmafrd;2803591 said:
One problem with the way the Eagles do business is that they will never get the loyalty and dedication from enough players that I think is really critical to winning the title.
You mean.....

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burmafrd;2803587 said:
Henry was unfairly criticized for a long time. BUT he did clearly lose a step last year. I am glad Joyner points out how incredibly consistent Newman has been. All those idiots that take their very stupid shots at him are really out to lunch.

On the same hand, the hyperbolic bunch that like to call him elite, shut-down, top 5 are out to lunch. Newman is a great corner, but lets not pretend like he is a playmaker that teams refuse to throw at. Newman is a solid corner, that has for the most part of his career when healthy, has erased the man opposite him. He's incredible in the slot, and there was a stretch when there weren't many guys playing better than him. But in 100 career games, he's got 1 pick 6.

I love him, he's one of my favorite players, I just wish he would step in front of a few more. I'm far from a chicken little, but if Newman misses time this year get your bat out because they will be in full force.
 

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Apollo Creed;2803600 said:
On the same hand, the hyperbolic bunch that like to call him elite, shut-down, top 5 are out to lunch. Newman is a great corner, but lets not pretend like he is a playmaker that teams refuse to throw at. Newman is a solid corner, that has for the most part of his career when healthy, has erased the man opposite him. He's incredible in the slot, and there was a stretch when there weren't many guys playing better than him. But in 100 career games, he's got 1 pick 6.

I love him, he's one of my favorite players, I just wish he would step in front of a few more. I'm far from a chicken little, but if Newman misses time this year get your bat out because they will be in full force.

I hear ya !

Newman has always have played with less than stellar secondary so far in my opinion ( Henry was servicable but RW1 , KD and anyone before Ken Hamlin were not ) You wont get many picks if there are easy pickings elsewhere and ball is not thrown to your side. Lets see how it goes with this years secondary & hopefully better pass rush.
 

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I always liked Henry but I think everyone could see him losing a step the past few seasons. The NFL takes a toll on people and it is catching up with Henry. I did want to see him get a shot at safety to see how it went...couldn't be worse than #38.

Newman was hurt almost all year and still tried to make a go of it. I commend his warrior attitude.

These young kids will get more action this year and I think they will make some plays that are desparately needed in our secondary. They will be mainstays in our D for many years to come. Great draft picks...especially Scandrick in the later round.
 

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He had some of his worst-ever games just before the surgery, most notably in the October Commanders loss, where Santana Moss roasted him.

Moss had one catch against Newman. It was a 53-yarder, when Newman bit on a double move, but it still was only one catch.

Scandrick and Jenkins both posted YPAs under 6.0, which are excellent. Their success percentages were well into the 40s.

So Joyner's numbers say the same thing that Tony Pisano's did -- Jenkins played quite well in coverage. Unfortunately for him, one bad running play has created the perception that he didn't play well last season.
 

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AdamJT13;2803872 said:
Moss had one catch against Newman. It was a 53-yarder, when Newman bit on a double move, but it still was only one catch.



So Joyner's numbers say the same thing that Tony Pisano's did -- Jenkins played quite well in coverage. Unfortunately for him, one bad running play has created the perception that he didn't play well last season.

Jenkins SUCKS! :laugh2: btw, I don't think it was just that one play. He had a share of bad plays. Not just the non-tackle against the Giants.
 

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nyc;2803883 said:
I don't think it was just that one play. He had a share of bad plays. Not just the non-tackle against the Giants.

Everyone has a share of bad plays. But take away that one from Jenkins, and I have no doubt that the public perception of his rookie season would be much different.
 

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Nice post, Alexander.

I think Henry started declining in 2007. He got beat badly on the post route in the first game by Burress. Plus, he missed 4 or 5 games when he got hurt in the Rams game and came back part time in the sub-packages, where he played the dime safety role, too. When he came back and started, it was in December. I think his first start, after the injury, came against the Eagles or Lions.

So, I think Henry's 2007 YPA are a little deceiving or inflated due to his injury and role in the sub-packges. When he was playing that dime safety role, he wasn't vulnerable to getting beat in man coverage on the outside.

Like the sources in Vela's article said, Jenkins should have kept the starting job instead of getting yanked for Henry. Dallas made a mistake when they yanked Jenkins. You don't yank a talented player like that. You continue to let him develop.

Again, I would have traded Henry after the 2007 playoff loss to the Giants. Toomer put it on him that day, and Henry's decline started in 2007. The 2007 playoff game should have told Dallas everything they needed to know about Henry. In fact, the first game in 2007 gave a clue when Burress beat him badly on the post route for a long TD. Furthermore, it was another injury riddled season for Henry. In 2005, he was hurt and was never close to what he was in the first 8 games.
 

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Apollo Creed;2803600 said:
On the same hand, the hyperbolic bunch that like to call him elite, shut-down, top 5 are out to lunch. Newman is a great corner, but lets not pretend like he is a playmaker that teams refuse to throw at. Newman is a solid corner, that has for the most part of his career when healthy, has erased the man opposite him. He's incredible in the slot, and there was a stretch when there weren't many guys playing better than him. But in 100 career games, he's got 1 pick 6.

I love him, he's one of my favorite players, I just wish he would step in front of a few more. I'm far from a chicken little, but if Newman misses time this year get your bat out because they will be in full force.


Apollo Creed,

If you want the flashing gambler, then you will want Champ Baily, Nate Clements, Cromartie, or Samuel.

However, they get beat more often, because they gamble. They give up more deep and intermediate throws. I've seen Bailey and Samuel get roasted for TDs deep more than once because of their over aggressive nature. They trade big plays for picks.

Newman gambled at Pittsburgh. He went for the pick and lost. He played like Bailey and got too aggressive. Terence Newman hasn't been a gambler in his career, and that play was very uncharacteristic for him, same with the first Moss play earlier. Everyone complains about the "interceptions', but when he gambles, they don't want the consequences.

I prefer Newman who lets the game come to him. He lets the picks come to him. Newman does have 20 career interceptions. Phillips can set some of those plays up with scheme. Newman is starting to get more chances at interceptions under Phillips.

I prefer the conservative Newman who prevents big plays and lets the game come to him.

That part of Bill Parcells' conservative philosophy was good for Newman. Plus, when your in man coverage deep down the field, your back is to the ball anyway.
 

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nyc;2803883 said:
Jenkins SUCKS! :laugh2: btw, I don't think it was just that one play. He had a share of bad plays. Not just the non-tackle against the Giants.

He's too talented and athletic to bust. Jenkins played very well for an uncomfortable rookie last year. Wait until he gets his confidence back and starts to make a few plays. Next year this will be the best secondary we have put on the field in quite some time, book it.
 

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Every time some wannabe expert criticizes Newman I just consider the source ignorant and stupid. The respect Newman gets from opposing players coaches and scouts added to Joyners data is more then enough to splat the idiots.
They are all graduates of the stupid BSPN school where if you talk a lot and show off that means you are good. THe guys that are down on Newman are the same morons that think Deangelo Hall is a top CB.
 

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As much as Henry was criticized, he is the only CB to consistently get his hand(s) on the ball in the last 3 years.
 

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AdamJT13;2803872 said:
Moss had one catch against Newman. It was a 53-yarder, when Newman bit on a double move, but it still was only one catch.



So Joyner's numbers say the same thing that Tony Pisano's did -- Jenkins played quite well in coverage. Unfortunately for him, one bad running play has created the perception that he didn't play well last season.


You got that right.

Did you see the highlights of Jenkins giving up a pass, followed by Scandrick making a good play in coverage? Then they showed Jenkins slipping down and followed it up with Scandrick making another good play.

It's obvious there has been a biased agenda against Mike Jenkins in the media.

Scandrick has the media, and I bet if you took a fan poll, Scandrick would get close to 80% of the vote if you asked who is the better player.
 

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burmafrd;2803587 said:
Henry was unfairly criticized for a long time. BUT he did clearly lose a step last year.I am glad Joyner points out how incredibly consistent Newman has been. All those idiots that take their very stupid shots at him are really out to lunch.

I would gladly take Terence Newman's consistent, reliable play at CB over any of those flashy gamblers every time. I want the guy who prevents the big plays and lets the game come to him. You don't put up 5.8, 5.8, 7.1, and 6.1 YPA unless you are consistently winning those battles or matchups you are facing. Newman's five year YPA average (2004-2008) is still 6.62, even if you include last season, where he missed 6 games and had a few plays go against him.

Newman has been the master of preventing big plays or plays, and he has let the game come to him during his career. He does have 20 interceptions, and he should continue to get more chances under Wade Phillips. Some of those interceptions have come at crucial times, too. Phillips' scheme has given Newman some more opportunites for interceptions.

I agree with you. The people wanting the big interceptions, all the time, will be the first to criticise Newman for gambling when it doesn't work out.

Remember the flack Newman caught for that one play at Pittsburgh last year. Newman completely shut Holmes down except for that one play where he got too aggressive. Some people want more interceptions, but they don't want to deal with the consequences of gambling.

Newman got too aggressive on that play, and it was very, very uncharacteristic of him, same with Moss' big play at Dallas.

Terence Newman hasn't been and isn't a gambler, and I don't want him to be one. He should continue to play smart, conservative football and let the game or interceptions come to him. Plus, Phillips' scheme will continue to give Newman more opportunites for interceptions.

Some people (media or fans) are quick to crown the gamblers as being the best. Their gambling nature shows up in their YPA, and it shows up on the scoreboard.

If they want to crown those free wheeling gamblers the best, I guess that is their right.

However, I want the player who plays smart, conservative football and lets the game come to him.

Plus, Newman is one of the very best man to man cover CBs in the NFL. He does everything very well. He's a complete player.

Newman hasn't been playing in heavy zone and living next to the sidelines and schemed to constantly jump routes. Newman hasn't been playing cover 2, ect...

Newman has been put on some of the very best WRs in the NFL and has severely limited their output or shut them down during his 6 year career. Newman has kept points off the scoreboard very quietly during his career through his elite play. He has been a silent assassin. Newman has been underrated in his own fan base over the years, very underrated.

Some people who say that Newman doesn't belong in the top 5 or among the elite CBs fail to understand the art of preventing big plays or plays or playing great coverage and letting the game or picks come to him. They fail to acknowledge that Newman can impact the outcome of a game, even if he doesn't even touch a ball.

However, most in the media and some fans want to put some of these gamblers ahead of Newman, and those gamblers have been beaten deep way more than Newman ever has. Just look at their YPA over the years (Bailey, Samuel, Clements, McAlistar, Cromartie, ect..) They give up more deep or intermediate throws. However, this fact eludes their selective memories.

When Terence Newman shut down Steve Smith, twice, he didn't get any interceptions. Nevertheless, Newman put that blanket on him and took him out of the game, twice. It was quiet and just as deadly. Newman prevented Steve Smith from being the difference in the game. He negated Smith's output by shutting him down, twice. As a result, Dallas' chances of winning went way up. The Cowboys won both games while the Panthers' most dangerous weapon was taken away from them.

The respect has gotten better, but I still think Newman is underrated in the fan base, nevermind the NFL.

DeAngelo Hall has two of Newman's Pro Bowls, and that is a fact.
 

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Here Dallas media, Dallas media...

Where are you?

Mike Jenkins played very well last year and got yanked for the overrated Anthony Henry.

You should have been asking why that happened instead of obsessing over one negative play.

Your biased affection for Scandrick and negative press coverage for Jenkins has been exposed.
 

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Did you read this Dallas media?

"The Corner Kids Are Alright."

Note the word "Kids".

It's plural.
 
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