Scot McCloughan becoming Commanders GM

CowboyChris

Well-Known Member
Messages
7,511
Reaction score
4,961
Commanders fans should be excited. No question.

But let me, eh, "relieve myself" in your corn flakes. You're still stuck with Robert Griffin III. Ya know, your franchise QB.

If you were the new GM in Washington, wouldn't you trade that #5 pick and your next 2-1st rounders to go up and get Winston or Mariota??
 

SkinsHokieFan

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,469
Reaction score
240
If you were the new GM in Washington, wouldn't you trade that #5 pick and your next 2-1st rounders to go up and get Winston or Mariota??

God no.

Not after 2012. It is why the Commanders can't pick a safety high for a while either after 2004 and 2007.

McCloughan apparently does not believe in that approach and is instead in the "throw a whole bunch of darts" to finding a QB

I would not be surprised to see a QB drafted in round 3-5
 

JD_KaPow

jimnabby
Messages
11,072
Reaction score
10,836
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
God no.

Not after 2012. It is why the Commanders can't pick a safety high for a while either after 2004 and 2007.

McCloughan apparently does not believe in that approach and is instead in the "throw a whole bunch of darts" to finding a QB

I would not be surprised to see a QB drafted in round 3-5
He's probably pretty good at the dart-throwing too, given all the time he apparently spends in pubs.
 

Stryker44

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,675
Reaction score
485
We won our last Super Bowl with Mark Rypien - a poor to mediocre QB.

QB talent is overrated. The game is won and lost in the trenches, and the power run game.

Right now our OL and DL suck, so that's where we have the most work to do.
 

TellerMorrow34

BraveHeartFan
Messages
28,358
Reaction score
5,076
Seems like a pretty good move for the Commanders.

Provided Snyder does stay out of the way, as he appears to be saying he's going to do, this could be a good move for them.
 

Risen Star

Likes Collector
Messages
89,413
Reaction score
212,323
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
We won our last Super Bowl with Mark Rypien - a poor to mediocre QB.

QB talent is overrated. The game is won and lost in the trenches, and the power run game.

Right now our OL and DL suck, so that's where we have the most work to do.

"QB talent is overrated."

LOL.

Yeah, because 24 years ago you won with Mark Rypien, right?
 

visionary

Well-Known Member
Messages
28,444
Reaction score
33,407
We won our last Super Bowl with Mark Rypien - a poor to mediocre QB.

QB talent is overrated. The game is won and lost in the trenches, and the power run game.

Right now our OL and DL suck, so that's where we have the most work to do.

I hope the skins really believe this

The reason the current OL of the cowboys is lauded so much is because we already had Romo

QB s make and define the team

Like Bob the third had defined the skins
 

Stryker44

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,675
Reaction score
485
I hope the skins really believe this

The reason the current OL of the cowboys is lauded so much is because we already had Romo

QB s make and define the team

Like Bob the third had defined the skins

You don't go from Rookie of The Year 2012 to bench warmer without a solid underlying reason. The reason is the scheme and the OL.
 

TellerMorrow34

BraveHeartFan
Messages
28,358
Reaction score
5,076
You don't go from Rookie of The Year 2012 to bench warmer without a solid underlying reason. The reason is the scheme and the OL.

And the fact that Griffin was never as good as the Rookie of the Year thing made him seem.


The O-line there isn't good, in the least, but Griffin is never going to be the franchise QB the Skins thought he was.
 

Stryker44

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,675
Reaction score
485
And the fact that Griffin was never as good as the Rookie of the Year thing made him seem.


The O-line there isn't good, in the least, but Griffin is never going to be the franchise QB the Skins thought he was.

He had the highest QBR for any rookie QB - in the history of the game. The same system that has put Romo and Rodgers at the top of the QB list this year.
 

Sonny#9

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,613
Reaction score
64
And the fact that Griffin was never as good as the Rookie of the Year thing made him seem.


The O-line there isn't good, in the least, but Griffin is never going to be the franchise QB the Skins thought he was.

Sadly, I agree with you. He doesn't have the awareness in the pocket to really succeed. Those kind of instincts can't really be taught. Our line is not making anyone forget the '91 Hogs, but Robert just doesn't have "it" that McCloughan saw in Wilson.

This is the tipping point of the franchise--and it is going to take a number of years--but if THIS guy fails from a personnel standpoint (not his personal issues), it's the craphouse for us for decades more.
 

Stryker44

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,675
Reaction score
485
Sadly, I agree with you. He doesn't have the awareness in the pocket to really succeed. Those kind of instincts can't really be taught. Our line is not making anyone forget the '91 Hogs, but Robert just doesn't have "it" that McCloughan saw in Wilson.

This is the tipping point of the franchise--and it is going to take a number of years--but if THIS guy fails from a personnel standpoint (not his personal issues), it's the craphouse for us for decades more.

Maybe we just need to stop trying to make him a pocket passer?
 

Idgit

Fattening up
Staff member
Messages
58,971
Reaction score
60,826
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Much as I do hate to say it, it sure looks like the Redsk*ns have got it right this time. Finally. Under Snyder. Things are looking up for you guys, and it's probably smart to start getting emotionally invested in the roster again. I think we can all agree that QBs *are* overrated.

charlie_brown_lucy_football.jpg


Man. It's like poking a puppy in the eye with you guys, except I feel so good just thinking about doing it.
How's the offseason been, anyway? That draft looking good yet? When do your OTAs start up again?
 

Sonny#9

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,613
Reaction score
64
Much as I do hate to say it, it sure looks like the Redsk*ns have got it right this time. Finally. Under Snyder. Things are looking up for you guys, and it's probably smart to start getting emotionally invested in the roster again. I think we can all agree that QBs *are* overrated.

Man. It's like poking a puppy in the eye with you guys, except I feel so good just thinking about doing it.
How's the offseason been, anyway? That draft looking good yet? When do your OTAs start up again?

All skepticism is fully warranted. Hell, I would not be surprised in the least bit if we were still spinning our wheels 4-5-6 years from now. However, this is the move they've needed to do since Casserly was fired. We have not had a scouting-draft-develop focus ever under Snyder. Ever.

So IF (I want to make that "if" roughly the size of the Himalayas) Snyder stays out of the way, this could be that point where a terribly run franchise turns the corner: i.e. Bidwell getting out of the way in Arizona. No one can question McCloughan's record--he's been an instrumental part of rebuilding two franchises. This is the right type of move. Will it work? Results are TBD.
 

NIBGoldenchild

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,619
Reaction score
386
I hope the skins really believe this

The reason the current OL of the cowboys is lauded so much is because we already had Romo

QB s make and define the team

Like Bob the third had defined the skins

Trent Dilfer, Joe Flacco, and Russell Wilson.

Three QBs who won SBs and they varied from average to just good.

This draft class is terrible for QBs, and there will be no one better than the current QBs we have on the roster through FA. Build up the rest of your team instead of taking a flyer on a guaranteed bust like a Winston or Manziel.
 

SkinsHokieFan

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,469
Reaction score
240
As long as the org, the fan base and local media have patience, this has a chance.

But it is going to take time.

If GMSM does what he says he is going to do, build by the draft, draft big guys, focus on the lines (you can't have enough o-lineman was one quote and the draft is the lifeblood of an org was another quote) this is going to be at minimum a 3 year process to become a team that can compete for a playoff spot. So we are looking at 2017 if things break perfect, but probably 2018 to break over .500 again

The important thing is the shift in the Snyder philosophy, which for 15 years has been "win now, get whoever you need right now no matter the cost to win today" which has been a total failure.

The recognition that the 1999-2014 method was not working is step 1 to becoming a team that can actually be competitive
 
Top