Scout's Notebook: Early Thoughts On Left Guard, Gathers' Opportunity; More

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is a logical fallacy. Nobody has asserted that pass blocking is Zeke's most valuable skill.

Is it? The discussion here, are around the statements or idea that Zeke is too important in his role as blocker, in the passing game, to further involve him in the passing game. To clarify my point, at no time have I suggested that Zeke is not a very good pass blocker or that Zeke should not have to pass block. What I have said is that it is stupid to limit his role, simply because he is a good pass blocker. I fail to see the fallacy of this position, especially since there are literally pages and pages that continue to point out to me that Zeke is a "Great Pass Blocker". Well, yeah, he is and yeah, that's been acknowledged and pointed out, over and over again. But it doesn't change the fact that it's flat dumb to limit his involvement in the passing game simply because he's a great pass blocker. If we can't figure out how to get guys blocked in a manner that allows us to use our best weapon on Offense, then we don't deserve to win.

I really can't state it more simply then that.

 

[Trouty]

@Toruk_Makto vs the board!

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Is it? The discussion here, are around the statements or idea that Zeke is too important in his role as blocker, in the passing game, to further involve him in the passing game. To clarify my point, at no time have I suggested that Zeke is not a very good pass blocker or that Zeke should not have to pass block. What I have said is that it is stupid to limit his role, simply because he is a good pass blocker. I fail to see the fallacy of this position, especially since there are literally pages and pages that continue to point out to me that Zeke is a "Great Pass Blocker". Well, yeah, he is and yeah, that's been acknowledged and pointed out, over and over again. But it doesn't change the fact that it's flat dumb to limit his involvement in the passing game simply because he's a great pass blocker. If we can't figure out how to get guys blocked in a manner that allows us to use our best weapon on Offense, then we don't deserve to win.

I really can't state it more simply then that.

Yes. It is.

Carrying the ball. Is obviously..
OBVIOUSLY... Zeke's most valuable skill for this team. That isn't close to being in contention. At all.

Also the entire front office staff down to the player himself have talked about getting him more receiving opportunities. That you even question this is pretty silly.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes. It is.

Carrying the ball. Is obviously..
OBVIOUSLY... Zeke's most valuable skill for this team. That isn't close to being in contention. At all.

Also the entire front office staff down to the player himself have talked about getting him more receiving opportunities. That you even question this is pretty silly.

This discussion is about what BB said, if I am not mistaken. Where does this "questions" statement come from? That sounds like you, trying to paint me, in a light that is more conducive to your argument.

It's certainly not pertinent to the discussion I've been having, to this point.

I don't understand where your going with the whole "Run the ball" thing. What does that have to do with Zeke's role in the passing game?

Ask yourself a question. Are you arguing with me because you want to win an argument or are you engaging in honest discussion to actually discuss a matter? I can't imagine why anybody would argue the value of Zeke's further involvement in the passing game. I can't imagine why anybody would not find fault in the idea that his ability to block, justifies a position such as that?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

This discussion is about what BB said, if I am not mistaken. Where does this "questions" statement come from? That sounds like you, trying to paint me, in a light that is more conducive to your argument.

It's certainly not pertinent to the discussion I've been having, to this point.

I don't understand where your going with the whole "Run the ball" thing. What does that have to do with Zeke's role in the passing game?

Ask yourself a question. Are you arguing with me because you want to win an argument or are you engaging in honest discussion to actually discuss a matter? I can't imagine why anybody would argue the value of Zeke's further involvement in the passing game. I can't imagine why anybody would not find fault in the idea that his ability to block, justifies a position such as that?

Bryan's statement is obvious to me. It's nuanced sending your elite pass blocking back out into the flat. Especially when you have a stable of good to great receiving options already.

 

[plasticman]

• There’s been a lot of talk during the offseason about getting Ezekiel Elliott more involved in the passing game as a receiver. As much as I like that idea, I could also see where the coaches want to find some balance there and I will explain why. Watching Elliott sort blitzes correctly and step up to execute his assignment made me stop and reflect how important he is to scheme in that area of the passing game. To quote Col. Nathan Jessup in the movie “A Few Good Men” -- "You want me on that wall. You need me on that wall". This is the way I feel about Elliott. You need him in pass protection because he is just as much of a weapon in that area as he is as a receiver. We all have to be careful what we wish for.

• I didn't see anything that was a cause for concern assignment-wise from Chaz Green working with the first unit at left guard. His pickups were clean, assignments sound and technique was where it needed to be. He and Tyron Smith appeared to work well together sorting out a moving defensive front with a blitz from the secondary consisting of Jeff Heath and Orlando Scandrick. Green has a shot to win this job over Jonathan Cooper if he can just maintain his health this training camp. That's really the only question mark.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2...-guard-gathers-opportunity-more?sf100724736=1

A bread and butter play for the Cowboys on the 90's was for Aikman to go back, look at the field and if it wasn't there throw to a back who jad snuck out od his blocking assignment.

That play also kept Aikman healthy amd on his feat. Both Emmitt and Daryl were deadly. They would block and release at just tne right time. Daryl wasn't a prolific runner but you didnt want to get in front of a Moose with a head of steam.

In one of the Super Bowl years, Troy completed more passes to RB's than to WR's.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Bryan's statement is obvious to me. It's nuanced sending your elite pass blocking back out into the flat. Especially when you have a stable of good to great receiving options already.

I liken the modern NFL to the San Diego Chargers Air Coryell of the 80s. Threaten all parts of the field. Force every aspect of your Offense to be defended. Use all available avenues of attack. This will break teams.

I think that what you say has merit but, what you say is also the reason you absolutely use Zeke more in the passing game. As you say, we are getting to the point where we have threats available to us at many different positions. I am not as enamored with our talent as you may be, I believe we can still improve in certain areas but, the idea you present is exactly the reason you use him. Defenses are forced to play honest and if that's the case, then that means the Safeties have to honor responsibilities. That also means that LBs have to cover Zeke. No way in hell any LB is going to cover that kid up the seam or, in open space. The Offensive possibilities are endless.

This is just what I see as a possibility if we use Zeke to his full potential. This is really aside from the previous discussion but I thought it was interesting to discuss.

 

[JoeKing]

• There’s been a lot of talk during the offseason about getting Ezekiel Elliott more involved in the passing game as a receiver. As much as I like that idea, I could also see where the coaches want to find some balance there and I will explain why. Watching Elliott sort blitzes correctly and step up to execute his assignment made me stop and reflect how important he is to scheme in that area of the passing game. To quote Col. Nathan Jessup in the movie “A Few Good Men” -- "You want me on that wall. You need me on that wall". This is the way I feel about Elliott. You need him in pass protection because he is just as much of a weapon in that area as he is as a receiver. We all have to be careful what we wish for.

• I didn't see anything that was a cause for concern assignment-wise from Chaz Green working with the first unit at left guard. His pickups were clean, assignments sound and technique was where it needed to be. He and Tyron Smith appeared to work well together sorting out a moving defensive front with a blitz from the secondary consisting of Jeff Heath and Orlando Scandrick. Green has a shot to win this job over Jonathan Cooper if he can just maintain his health this training camp. That's really the only question mark.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2...-guard-gathers-opportunity-more?sf100724736=1

1) Col. Nathan Jessup was a fictional character.
2) Jessup was an egotistical jerk that wrote checks with his mouth that his arse could not cash.
3) Despite his rant, we didn't need or want Jessup on that wall.

Maybe you can find a better metaphor for Elliott's importance to the pass protection scheme.

 

[Bullflop]

H-m-m, so sayeth Broaddus: Chaz Green is lookin' good at LG -- so long as he stays healthy.

Verily, my brethren, I say unto thee, with this in mind, let us pray!! Heavenly father . . .

 

[dallasdave]

H-m-m, so sayeth Broaddus: Chaz Green is lookin' good at LG -- so long as he stays healthy.

Verily, my brethren, I say unto thee, with this in mind, let us pray!! Heavenly father . . .

Big if

 

[dallasdave]

@Toruk_Makto vs the board!

 

[dallasdave]

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