Sean McVay is what we wanted JG to be

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  1. kuyyo_morro

    kuyyo_morro Well-Known Member

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    Here we are after 9yrs.
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  2. LocimusPrime

    LocimusPrime Well-Known Member

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    The rams changed their fortunes rather quickly.
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  3. CowboysFaninHouston

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    who is the next mcvay? hindsight is 20/20
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  4. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    That's what happens in the NFL when you change. Change is good.

    Continuity is only good if you continue with something that has worked at the highest level.

    Jason Garrett should never have been given this much time.
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  5. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    Garrett inherited an old, declining team that was weak on the offensive and defensive lines at a time when Jerry was running the draft.

    He had to fight to get Jerry to release Gurode, James, Brooking, etc.

    Garret preached youth.

    He had to convince Jerry to stop wasting first-round picks on shiny toys and build the offensive line.

    He had to endure Jerry's daliances with guys like Greg Hardy and Randy Gregory.

    For those things, I'll always appreciate Garrett.

    But it's time.
  6. TWOK11

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    What McVay does is actually remarkably simplistic, he’s essentially running a combination of West Coast and Wing T concepts out of bunch formations. Whereas most coaches are trying to spread the field in this era, he’s packing it in and allowing himself to run effectively against even stacked boxes due to the sheer numbers he has near the LOS. He’s also creating mental errors by defenders struggling to pass off receives in the close confines of these bunch formations.

    The downside of his scheme is despite all the motion and glitter, there really isn’t much variation on what they do week to week and they really run about 10 base plays out of different formations. It’s going to get figured out.
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  7. _sturt_

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    And we wouldn't be talking about McVay today, except that JG's defense couldn't force more than 1 punt during the game against LAR.

    Please. The whining about JG is shrill. What point does it even serve? Save it for next year.

    (He said, knowing his post serves no actual purpose here, either.)
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  8. rags747

    rags747 Well-Known Member

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    They went ALL 100+% in on a Quaterback, they paid up heavily to make the pick but are people really going to attempt to say that it makes no difference?
  9. Sydla

    Sydla Well-Known Member

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    Pretty much.
  10. Kaiser

    Kaiser Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    2016 Jason Garrett was the 2018 Sean McVay.

    (another post that serves so purpose here).

    Defenses adjusted to our 2016 team and Garrett suddenly got dumber. The same thing could happen to McVay and if you look at NFL history, it usually does.
  11. Hawkeye0202

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    One of your best post.......
  12. CowboysFaninHouston

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    what you just described is jerry meddling. any coach in dallas has to endure that and know how to work that. Parcells could only endure for so long and left prior to his contract end. that's not an easy thing for any coach coming to dallas. not sure if McVay would have succeeded in dallas.
  13. CowboysFaninHouston

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    wait. is it not JG's defense because it failed. I thought it was Kris "the genius" Richards? .....oh, wait never mind. when we do good its Kris' defense, but when it sucks its JG! got it
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  14. foofighters

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    Unitl he gets blown out by the patriots. Last year Peterson was the greatest thing every and now it's McVay. Flavor of the month...
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  15. fansince68

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    The "Clapper" Vs Mr. "Offensive Genius"
  16. Hawkeye0202

    Hawkeye0202 Well-Known Member

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    Garrett and McVay work under different FO structures....... makes a difference. See the nugget below from MMQB

    4. Interesting point that was raised to me about the four conference finalists: Each come from a structure in which the head coach is very involved in personnel. Bill Belichick in New England and Sean Payton in New Orleans have on-paper power; Andy Reid gave it away when he got to KC but is still very influential; and Sean McVay and GM Les Snead work hand-in-hand in Los Angeles. As such, all four teams are distinctly reflective of the vision of their coaches—something that comes to life with individual players like Dont’a Hightower in New England, Alvin Kamara in New Orleans, Tyreek Hill in Kansas City, and Brandin Cooks in L.A. It’ll be interesting, in a copycat league, what effect this sort of success might have, since the league has moved away from the coach-heavy model over the last 15 years or so. What a lot of people might mis is that many of the coaches who’ve won long-term (George Halas, Paul Brown, Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Jimmy Johnson, Mike Shanahan, Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick) did it while wielding a lot of say on the scouting side.
  17. CATCH17

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    If we weren’t allowed to talk about coaching then CowboysZone would lose 95% of their content.

    Everyone knows our coach doesn’t maximize talent and it’s the most frustrating thing as a fan when the organization refuses to go out and get one of the best coaches.
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  18. CATCH17

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    Please.. Garrett has had plenty of say over personnel.

    He got Romo kicked of town. That’s about as much say as you could possibly get.
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  19. TheDude

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    Perhaps, but their offense doesnt make many huge mistakes with false starts, procedure, holding etc. They seems to have great discipline (actually all 4 teams did yesterday on offense) and they are pretty reliable at getting chunk plays which is really what offenses have to have in the NFL
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  20. Hawkeye0202

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    Not to mention the Rams are one blown call away from losing. McVay is good, I'll give him that but I'll rather wait a few years before crowning him a genius. In fact, give me Payton or Andy Reid any day.
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