Sean Payton Question (while in Big D)?

[Quarterback Coach]

You have to give this guy some serious credit...not only did he expose us a few years ago and supply a blueprint for the league (as well as exposing truly what a weakness Roy 31 was), but he also did the same thing to the Giants this year...(a belief that Amani Toomer even mentioned yesterday on Sirius radio after we played with it on this site weeks ago).

As far a NE yesterday, it will be interesting to see if others try to attack them in the same way...

My question is this though...didn't Parcells take away play calling duties from him while he was here? If so he truly progressed (wish red would).

 

[Coakleys Dad]

lol...

 

[windward]

No Payton was stripped of playcalling duties with the Giants.

If anything he was given more authority from the time he joined the staff in 2003 until the time he left in 2005.

I often wonder what he could have done with Romo as the starter... ( Though I'm thankful Jerry refused to trade him to the Saints in the 06 offseason...)

 

[Quarterback Coach]

No Payton was stripped of playcalling duties with the Giants.

If anything he was given more authority from the time he joined the staff in 2003 until the time he left in 2005.

I often wonder what he could have done with Romo as the starter...

Ah...thank you sir!

 

[NextGenBoys]

You have to give this guy some serious credit...not only did he expose us a few years ago and supply a blueprint for the league (as well as exposing truly what a weakness Roy 31 was), but he also did the same thing to the Giants this year...(a belief that Amani Toomer even mentioned yesterday on Sirius radio after we played with it on this site weeks ago).

As far a NE yesterday, it will be interesting to see if others try to attack them in the same way...

My question is this though...didn't Parcells take away play calling duties from him while he was here? If so he truly progressed (wish red would).

Coaches learn more from Parcells than probably any other potential coach.

I think more than anything, coaches under him really have basics and fundamentals drilled into them, and once you have that established you can go on and carve your own style of coaching.

 

[windward]

Coaches learn more from Parcells than probably any other potential coach.

I think more than anything, coaches under him really have basics and fundamentals drilled into them, and once you have that established you can go on and carve your own style of coaching.

A really good point.

As a parallel I have a boss whose demeanor I would say is Parcells-like, from the way he interacts with our staff and his demand for us to always improve. And I have progressed much more professionally under his methodology than I might otherwise have. Bosses that demand the best out of you are always best fo9r hyou in the long run.

Payton clearly benefitted from this imo.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

If I remember correctly, when Payton left to NO, some on here were crediting Sparano for any success the team had.

 

[windward]

If I remember correctly, when Payton left to NO, some on here were crediting Sparano for any success the team had.

I'll go with the theory that we had two very good offensive assistants during the Parcells era.

 

[Hostile]

Ah...thank you sir!

The Offensive Assistant you are thinking of was Maurice Carthon. He was kind of pulled back by the Big Tuna.

 

[NextGenBoys]

A really good point.

As a parallel I have a boss whose demeanor I would say is Parcells-like, from the way he interacts with our staff and his demand for us to always improve. And I have progressed much more professionally under his methodology than I might otherwise have. Bosses that demand the best out of you are always best fo9r hyou in the long run.

Payton clearly benefitted from this imo.

Very, very true. It's not "never being satisfied" because you need to be satisfied with winning and that nature. But always looking to improve. I think that's a key element in anything you do in life.

I myself need to get better in that department in certain areas.

 

[Blast From The Past]

No Payton was stripped of playcalling duties with the Giants.

To elaborate on this it was Jim Fassel who took away and or over Sean Payton's playcalling duties because the Giants were not rolling to good on offense with Payton calling the plays. The Giants got on a roll and ended up in the superbowl with Fassel calling the plays but lost the game. This is how I remember it anyway without googling it.

 

[windward]

Very, very true. It's not "never being satisfied" because you need to be satisfied with winning and that nature. But always looking to improve. I think that's a key element in anything you do in life.

I myself need to get better in that department in certain areas.

Yeah, I've noticed in the past that it's very easy to celebrate my "victories" and gloss over areas that I'm not so proficient in

Of course the realization is that the better you do the higher and higher the bar is set and it's imperative to work on your not so great areas if you don't want to stagnate professionally.

It's good to give recognition to your strengths, self-confidence is a good thing. But there is always a place to turn a critical eye inward IMO.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Having a Drew Brees makes you look like a much better coach.

 

[Future]

Having a Drew Brees makes you look like a much better coach.

Eh, I think in New Orleans its the other way around.

 

[CowboyMike]

Well, Mo Carthon was officially our O Coordinator in Parcells first year, but Bill called the plays. Mo went to Cleveland the next year when Romeo Crennel offered him full control of the offense up there.

After that Sean Payton became our "Passing Game Coordinator" and Tony Sparano was "Running Game Coordinator". Sean called the plays but Bill refused to admit it.

 

[theebs]

Actually, the person credited for taking apart our defense was Gary Gibbs, our lb coach until he left for new orleans in 06.

that is the man who got the credit for knowing how to attack our linebackers weaknesses. That is why their fullback scored so much.

And gibbs was the guy that parcells thought should have been hired as the head coach after he left.

 

[Duane]

Having a Drew Brees makes you look like a much better coach.

/end thread

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You have to give this guy some serious credit...not only did he expose us a few years ago and supply a blueprint for the league (as well as exposing truly what a weakness Roy 31 was), but he also did the same thing to the Giants this year...(a belief that Amani Toomer even mentioned yesterday on Sirius radio after we played with it on this site weeks ago).

As far a NE yesterday, it will be interesting to see if others try to attack them in the same way...

My question is this though...didn't Parcells take away play calling duties from him while he was here? If so he truly progressed (wish red would).

actually his play calling duties were taken away by Fassel when he was coaching the giants and then fassel got fired and still looking for a job...

Parcell brought payton in as the OC and he called the plays and sean obviously got the HC job in NO and Sprano was the defacto OC after having coached the OL and TEs.

 

[Alexander]

Payton didn't exactly get raving reviews while in Dallas IIRC. There were quite a few people who didn't care for our offense at the time as it sputtered. A lot was the quarterbacking and the overall talent base. Having Brees helps him some, but I think he's responsible for nurturing Brees into the quarterback he is right now.

He was the passing game coordinator, Carthon and later Sparano handled the running game. That was the setup under Coach Parcells and it continued with Haley after he was gone. I do not doubt Parcells' conservative nature lended itself to keeping us from seeing a good deal of Payton has done in New Orleans. It would have been nice to see what he could have done with Garrett's level of autonomy.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

/end thread

actually its not brees. or lets say not just brees. that OL is fantastic. look at how much time brees gets in the pocket to survey the field even when they are blitzed. that OL is playing out of this world and brees obviously putting the ball on the money.