Seattle called about pick 50

[Fontaine]

Glad they took Connor. Thomas, while he is good, is 30 years old coming off injuries. Regain the o-line strength we had with Leary.

 

[RodeoJake]

Funny story here. They called me by mistake and I laughed so hard it dang near blew their ear drums. Anyway, they were just a bit ticked off. The last thing Schneider said before hanging up was, "It'll be a cold day in Hades before I let Earl wear a Cowboy uniform."

 

[Beast_from_East]

Lots of conflicting info coming out...........some stories say we offered pick 50 before the draft and they said no, then they called during the draft and agreed to pick 50 but since Williams was on the board we said no, then we called back and offered our 3rd but Seattle was pissed and never returned our call........

Who knows what is actually true, both team look to be posturing right now. The bottom line is that Seattle tried to move ET and couldn't get a deal they liked. So will they keep him?

Stay tuned.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

It’s pretty obvious the Cowboys won’t be trading for Earl unless the Hawks are willing to take a 3rd for him. And it’s also obvious that the Hawks won’t be trading Earl unless someone offers a 2nd. Either someone budges before TC or we won’t be getting Earl.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Too funny:

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/cow...homas-dream-might-not-be-over-yet-for-cowboys

Apparently a deal could still be done with the Cowboys involving Earl Thomas. They didn't do enough in the draft to answer their needs and safety and I don't think we did enough to answer our needs at OL. Do they have any players that we could swap with?

Zach Martin!

This whole “ET grade is still alive thing” is coming from the *allas sports media, and the *allas Cowboys themselves.
Go read any Cowboys forum and they still think they can get ET for a 2019 fifth, after Seattle already turned down a 2018 2nd, and then later on a 2018 3rd. It’s crazy uncle Jerruh selling Koolaid to the more gullible members of his fanbase.

@Toomany10pins GET IN HERE!

 

[btcutter]

if that's the case, then why don't we just offer our 2nd next year and get it over with?

The draft pick value was highest during the draft when teams can see potential players they can draft. Currently the value of the pick is lowest.

 

[Little Jr]

This also means that Pete Carroll's whole "we never thought about trading him, he's a Seahawk" stuff was BS. Which is promising in light of the prospect of trading him instead of extending him.

Or broaduss is full of ****. Lol

 

[Vegas_Cowboy]

Wasn't it posted yesterday that the Cowboys called but the hawks did not return the call? Shenanigans on someone's part!!!!

"I swear to God I'm going to pistol whip the next guy who says, Shenanigans."

 

[Nightman]

The draft pick value was highest during the draft when teams can see potential players they can draft. Currently the value of the pick is lowest.

The conventional wisdom says take a round off for each year but is that really the case

If we traded them a 2019 2nd right now it is still a 2019 2nd next year..... it doesn't depreciate over the year(unless we win the SB)....... it still has 4 years of service time attached, not 3.....it is just delayed gratification

 

[dallasdave]

Glad they took Connor. Thomas, while he is good, is 30 years old coming off injuries. Regain the o-line strength we had with Leary.

Conner is the smart pick !!!

 

[JoeKing]

Why don't we stop trying to be Seattle's sucker?

If they had anywhere else to trade him they would've by now. They have to decide whether to pay him, release him, or watch him leave.

But yeah, let's rescue them. Because OMG, Earl Thomas!

Seattle has him under contract for one more season so they don't have to go with any of your options now. They will play him this season and next season either pay him or watch him leave.

 

[beware_d-ware]

The conventional wisdom says take a round off for each year but is that really the case

If we traded them a 2019 2nd right now it is still a 2019 2nd next year..... it doesn't depreciate over the year(unless we win the SB)....... it still has 4 years of service time attached, not 3.....it is just delayed gratification

It's basic economics - a dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow. All other things equal, a second rounder who can help your team right now is more valuable than a second rounder who can help your team next year.

That plus the uncertainty of draft positions next year is what creates the "one round up" rule of thumb for future picks.

 

[AzorAhai]

There’s way too much noise here. I don’t buy for a second that Seattle is going to do a 180 and sign him to a huge deal after trying to trade him mere days ago. It feels like the teams are still posturing waiting for the other to cave.

 

[Nightman]

It's basic economics - a dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow. All other things equal, a second rounder who can help your team right now is more valuable than a second rounder who can help your team next year.

That plus the uncertainty of draft positions next year is what creates the "one round up" rule of thumb for future picks.

There is no inflation in Draft pick values

A 2nd round pick was worth 400 points in 1992 and is worth 400 points in 2019

But even in what you say is true then it appreciates over the year and you still end up with a 2nd round pick and DAL still is out a 2nd round pick..... the perceived difference in value isn't real...... SEA would still have the player for 4 years

The one round up theory can backfire just as easily.......No one expected DAL to go 4-12 in 2015..... trading that pick in 2014 would have really hurt

 

[beware_d-ware]

There is no inflation in Draft pick values

A 2nd round pick was worth 400 points in 1992 and is worth 400 points in 2019

But even in what you say is true then it appreciates over the year and you still end up with a 2nd round pick and DAL still is out a 2nd round pick..... the perceived difference in value isn't real...... SEA would still have the player for 4 years

The one round up theory can backfire just as easily.......No one expected DAL to go 4-12 in 2015..... trading that pick in 2014 would have really hurt

If that's the case, then why don't we trade all our 2019 draft picks for the same picks in 2200? Shouldn't cause any loss in value, right? Hell, if we can get an extra 2200 2nd rounder out of the deal, it'll be a big win for us.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

Haha it cracks me up every time I read someone way "30 year old safety".

Earl Thomas is 28 years old.

And he's very, very good at football and will be for the next 5 years.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Seattle has him under contract for one more season so they don't have to go with any of your options now. They will play him this season and next season either pay him or watch him leave.

If they don't extend Earl before July (like he wants and most players expect a year before their contract expires) then resigning him in the 2019 offseason is not looking good at all. Sure, there's been talk about franchise tagging him for 2 years straight, but if you thought Earl was a little disgruntled now, wait until next year when they want to tag him. He'll probably talk about not signing the tag and holding out/retiring, etc. We've seen how their FO got strong-armed by Bennett and Chancellor when they weren't happy with their contracts. If they're truly trying to rebuild and install a new culture, it be in their best interest to part ways with such an impressionable person in your locker room and legacy player like Earl on amicable terms.

For the record, again, I'm not down with paying him the contract he wants, on top of any draft capitol we'd have to give. He looked great back there behind that uber talented Seattle secondary all those years but there's no guarantee that a 29 year old, final contract Earl Thomas will look the same behind ours. The way that little guy likes to leave his feet to hit guys all of these years has to take a toll. And remember, he spoke of retirement after breaking his leg in 2016. I've got a gut feeling that once he gets paid (guaranteed money), the next injury he incurs might be when he calls it quits, again, but this time means it. Once you start thinking about retiring, it starts you down a different mindset..

 

[Nightman]

If that's the case, then why don't we trade all our 2019 draft picks for the same picks in 2200? Shouldn't cause any loss in value, right? Hell, if we can get an extra 2200 2nd rounder out of the deal, it'll be a big win for us.

That is just being stupid.......grow up if you want to have an adult convo

Draft picks have fixed values............#50 is worth 400 points every year

It is smart to trade out if the players available aren't rated equal to the pick...... the pick will be worth the same next year

Most GMs play for today so they always think short term..... but guys like Belichick think long term and usually dominate draft trades because he has patience and job security

 

[Nightman]

Haha it cracks me up every time I read someone way "30 year old safety".

Earl Thomas is 28 years old.

And he's very, very good at football and will be for the next 5 years.

People also lie to help their weak agendas

 

[beware_d-ware]

That is just being stupid.......grow up if you want to have an adult convo

Draft picks have fixed values............#50 is worth 400 points every year

It is smart to trade out if the players available aren't rated equal to the pick...... the pick will be worth the same next year

Most GMs play for today so they always think short term..... but guys like Belichick think long term and usually dominate draft trades because he has patience and job security

Testing theories at extreme values isn't being stupid, it's a quick way to see if they hold water or not. Judging by your reaction, I'm guessing the whole "no time value of draft picks" things doesn't.

You said it yourself - the value of picks is fixed, but as much pressure as teams and FOs are under to produce short term results, you want guys who can contribute now, and that's where time factors into the price. Even Belichick knows he doesn't have forever, which is why he's been so aggressive the last 2 years about turning draft picks into present value rather than hoarding picks for the future. Vets now are more valuable to him than what draft picks might be later.