Sensabaugh Very disappointing

[Vertigo_17]

Not top 10? Huh? You watching same games I am?

yes I watch the same games

you want to talk about investment vs production and play makers on D??? (reputation doesn't count)

How do these compare???

Ratliff
Spencer
OScan
Jenkins
Spears
Carr
MoC

Not saying Sensabaugh is perfect by any means, but he can at least catch the ball when thrown his way, and tackle. He's a cheap investment at Safetly and I'd argue we have bigger issues on both defense and offense...ST is in a whole other universe.

Hate on him all you want, some of it is merited...but when talking about disappointing, Sensabaugh isnt at the top of my list

 

[The Natural]

yes I watch the same games

you want to talk about investment vs production and play makers on D??? (reputation doesn't count)

How do these compare???

Ratliff
Spencer
OScan
Jenkins
Spears
Carr
MoC

The bolded all rank higher at their positions than Sensabaugh. Claiborne's a rookie, Scandrick's not even a starter, and Spencer is just as average as him, so I dont know why any of those guys were mentioned.

 

[BlueStar22]

Believe it or not, we miss Barry Church.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

They have to pay a starting safety at least the average of the market for JAGs at the position which is more than they're worth.

We have had so many holes at more critical positions we haven't been able to go after a top safety. Pass rusher, SOLB, and S are the top positions needed so I wouldn't be surprised to see us try to find a S in the middle rounds again.

Well the position is in need of talent, and a middle round pick again might not be enough. Our safety position just lacks not only investment from a franchise level, but any kind of pedigree or talent.

Its almost like since RW they have gotten scared to invest in the position. Sure we were able to get Romo, Miles, and such as UDFAs to work out at those positions, but we were still investing draft picks in those positions and got lucky with Romo and Miles. With safety, we haven't invested anything at all, and just hope we get lucky with Church and such.

Sensy isn't a free safety cause he lacks range, and isn't physical enough to be a strong safety.....the only true position he has is as a backup safety. I sincerely hope to see 2 new safeties starting on this team next year, with one of them maybe being Matt.

 

[CyberB0b]

He is ok. Maybe slightly above average. He doesn't get beat very often. I have seen worse safety play.

 

[EvilJerry88]

Well the position is in need of talent, and a middle round pick again might not be enough. Our safety position just lacks not only investment from a franchise level, but any kind of pedigree or talent.

Its almost like since RW they have gotten scared to invest in the position. Sure we were able to get Romo, Miles, and such as UDFAs to work out at those positions, but we were still investing draft picks in those positions and got lucky with Romo and Miles. With safety, we haven't invested anything at all, and just hope we get lucky with Church and such.

Sensy isn't a free safety cause he lacks range, and isn't physical enough to be a strong safety.....the only true position he has is as a backup safety. I sincerely hope to see 2 new safeties starting on this team next year, with one of them maybe being Matt.

I definitely disagree on Sensi not having range. What he lacks is skill.

Look at his combine measurables when he came into the league....

6'1 214
4.44 40 yd dash

6.8 3 cone (pro day)
20 yd shuttle 3.98 (pro day)

11 foot broad jump
46 inch vertical (Combine Record)

He never lacked range, he's a freak athlete!

Look at Cal star free safety from the 2003 NFL draft Nnamdi Asomugha who was a 1st round pick. Eventually he moved to corner, but they are both comparable athletes about the same age and Sensi's sheer athleticism might actually be slightly better.

The difference is that Nnamdi had skills so he moved to corner and used his safety size to help him. Sensi had physical skills and range to dominate anywhere in the secondary.

Sensi lacks skills.... he was solid for a while but hasn't done much for a couple years. You can see his speed a little bit when he takes a back down after 10 yard run and makes a tackle on Boldin after Carr gets toasted.

He's a solid safety net most of the time. I really don't understand what the point of this thread was because he was never a star.

But I had to get my point across about him being athletic.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I definitely disagree on Sensi not having range. What he lacks is skill.

Look at his combine measurables when he came into the league....

6'1 214
4.44 40 yd dash

6.8 3 cone (pro day)
20 yd shuttle 3.98 (pro day)

11 foot broad jump
46 inch vertical (Combine Record)

He never lacked range, he's a freak athlete!

Look at Cal star free safety from the 2003 NFL draft Nnamdi Asomugha who was a 1st round pick. Eventually he moved to corner, but they are both comparable athletes about the same age and Sensi's sheer athleticism might actually be slightly better.

The difference is that Nnamdi had skills so he moved to corner and used his safety size to help him. Sensi had physical skills and range to dominate anywhere in the secondary.

Sensi lacks skills.... he was solid for a while but hasn't done much for a couple years. You can see his speed a little bit when he takes a back down after 10 yard run and makes a tackle on Boldin after Carr gets toasted.

He's a solid safety net most of the time. I really don't understand what the point of this thread was because he was never a star.

But I had to get my point across about him being athletic.

Range is more than just athletic ability and combine numbers, although they do help. The biggest part of the equation you are missing are the intagibles and recognition skills. You can be AOA athletic, but that doesn't make you a great safety, you have to study tendencies in order to be in the right place at the right time.

When I say range, this is exactly what I mean, Ed Reed doesn't have great range cause of his athletic ability.....its cause of his recognition and reaction to the play that he sees unfolding before him. Thats range, something Sensy will never have.

 

[jobberone]

Well the position is in need of talent, and a middle round pick again might not be enough. Our safety position just lacks not only investment from a franchise level, but any kind of pedigree or talent.

Its almost like since RW they have gotten scared to invest in the position. Sure we were able to get Romo, Miles, and such as UDFAs to work out at those positions, but we were still investing draft picks in those positions and got lucky with Romo and Miles. With safety, we haven't invested anything at all, and just hope we get lucky with Church and such.

Sensy isn't a free safety cause he lacks range, and isn't physical enough to be a strong safety.....the only true position he has is as a backup safety. I sincerely hope to see 2 new safeties starting on this team next year, with one of them maybe being Matt.

I think you can get lucky in the middle rounds or even later and hit on any player. I agree with you they probably should use a 1 or 2 on a S but they need to use a 1 on a pass rusher or SOLB and a 2 on an interior lineman maybe even a tackle.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

He's been solid for his whole career here. I'm not sure what some of you people want. He's not Darren Woodson, but I'll take him. He's not the problem.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I think you can get lucky in the middle rounds or even later and hit on any player. I agree with you they probably should use a 1 or 2 on a S but they need to use a 1 on a pass rusher or SOLB and a 2 on an interior lineman maybe even a tackle.

I'd use a good number of picks to shore up our offensive depth. I think we're coming along on the o-line. I'm concerned about Free's future. But hopefully he proves me wrong. I've been a big supporter of his, but he's letting me down.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I think you can get lucky in the middle rounds or even later and hit on any player. I agree with you they probably should use a 1 or 2 on a S but they need to use a 1 on a pass rusher or SOLB and a 2 on an interior lineman maybe even a tackle.

I agree with your picks and the rounds, I would be ok with it that way as I put pass rusher, OL, and safety as our top needs in no particular order. There are safeties found in the middle rounds in drafts all the time, history just says you can find them there. My problem is a general lack of interest in the position, at least on the OL they have tried and failed, at safety they haven't even tried lately other than AOA (if he counts).

 

[visionary]

this is a team built on the 'almost anthony' mentality

play "pretty good" but not "good enough" when the chips are down

that is why we "almost win" but actualy win nothing

 

[Risen Star]

i look forward to the day sensabaugh is gone. i think safeties can set the tone for the defense. ed reed has done it for baltimore and earl thomas is doing it for seattle now. sensy is neither physical nor a playmaker, he is the definition of a jag.

What he said.

In order to be disappointed you must have had higher expectations. I didn't.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Sensabaugh played good for the first 1/4 of the season last year, then he tapered off back into an average guy. I didn't understand the extension either, when is this team going to get a real safety

The Cowboys have no one else. Not everyone can be replaced overnight.

Some fans may not be willing to admit it but this team is retooling; upgrades (personnel) are being made while maintaining the core but it will take time.

 

[Doomsay]

Sensabaugh played good for the first 1/4 of the season last year, then he tapered off back into an average guy. I didn't understand the extension either, when is this team going to get a real safety

It seemed like he had a number of fortuitous pop-up pics over the last couple of years, but they were pics none-the-less. Not sure what they saw in him other than the C word (consistency .. remember that?)...... too many moving pieces at once in the 2ndary.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sorry but I don't see any issue with Sensabaugh. Like anyone I want to see more TO coming from the defense but to hang that on one player? :laugh2:

 

[Doc50]

Going all the way back to Landry, the Cowboys have had a history of finding unique athletes to sign, sometimes instead of solid football players.

Now, you know that everyone is going to whiff on a choice now and then, but the only time I can remember that a high percentage of our picks panned out was under Johnson. He knew what kind of system he was going to play, and he chose players who had the proven skills he wanted to fit that system.

Sensy has great athletic skills that haven't evolved into success yet in the NFL. There are many more such examples around the league, and previously on this team, such as Marty B.

Conversely, there are examples of great success stories on guys who were thought to be a step slow or a tad small, who just have the unmistakeable heart and mind of a football player.

I think that's the key to talent evaluation, and I think JG would agree somewhat. He's not the judge that Jimmy was, though.

 

[Gaede]

I haven't liked Sensabaugh since the Minnesota playoff game and that play against Sidney Rice.

I never will.

 

[Diogenes]

I haven't liked Sensabaugh since the Minnesota playoff game and that play against Sidney Rice.

I never will.

He still can't find the ball.

 

[Doomsay]

Sorry but I don't see any issue with Sensabaugh. Like anyone I want to see more TO coming from the defense but to hang that on one player? :laugh2:

Not a single poster hung the team's TO blight on "one player".

Sensabaugh has the worst combined coverage and tackling stats of any starting FS in the league (5 starts). He has been pretty bad.