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Lodeus;5092744 said:
Shady knows his football! I applaud him.

You knew when he pointed out two of the main things that make playing QB so much easier, that he was a bit more knowledgeable about the postion than the average analyst or fan.

The two he pointed out were:
  • Having a really good defense (which takes so much pressure off and keeps the QB from feeling they have to always force the issue..or lose the game).
  • Having a running game.
 

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The first point is a big deal when it comes to Romo I think.
 

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DFWJC;5092737 said:
It is about the top 100 for 2013, but you know 2012 weighs heavily in the voting.

It's a players 2012 performance that weighs heavily in getting them on the list the following year but it's their performance in 2013 that determines their ranking on the list. What a player did in 2012 isn't going to keep their ranking from free falling the following season if they have a bad year. Players end up on the list due to reputation but it's where they're ranked that causes most of the disagreements.

Romo's ranking if he's even on the list will be hurt by his reputation for folding in elimination games. Some players won't vote for him because the Cowboys haven't made the playoffs under him in 3 years and he hasn't performed well in the critical do or die games.
 

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Nav22;5092652 said:
Durrr but itz diffrint fo' da quotabakks durrr!!!

Unfortunately, that describes 95% of our fan base. Minimum.
 

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KJJ;5092752 said:
It's a players 2012 performance that weighs heavily in getting them on the list the following year but it's their performance in 2013 that determines their ranking on the list. What a player did in 2012 isn't going to keep their ranking from free falling the following season if they have a bad year. Players end up on the list due to reputation but it's where they're ranked that causes most of the disagreements.

Romo's ranking if he's even on the list will be hurt by his reputation for folding in elimination games. Some players won't vote for him because the Cowboys haven't made the playoffs under him in 3 years and he hasn't performed well in the critical do or die games.

I'm pretty sure he's not on the list at this point.

Of course, Ryan, Stafford, and Newton will be on it and Romo (Romo's team) has as many playoff wins as all of them combined.

But now we're in the top 40...so I this point, I don't really thnk he even should be ranked that high.
 

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KJJ;5092752 said:
It's a players 2012 performance that weighs heavily in getting them on the list the following year but it's their performance in 2013 that determines their ranking on the list. What a player did in 2012 isn't going to keep their ranking from free falling the following season if they have a bad year. Players end up on the list due to reputation but it's where they're ranked that causes most of the disagreements.

Romo's ranking if he's even on the list will be hurt by his reputation for folding in elimination games. Some players won't vote for him because the Cowboys haven't made the playoffs under him in 3 years and he hasn't performed well in the critical do or die games.

Like the one where Crayton slowed down on his route for a possible game winner?
 

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5Stars;5092756 said:
Like the one where Crayton slowed down on his route for a possible game winner?

Don't forget the Fasano dropped TD pass.
Or the wide open and no one within 10 yards of Crayton and he dropped it pass. Had he caught it, he was off to the races for a potential TD.
Then, the 4th Quarter stopped route by Crayton, which would have resulted in a W (most likely) and Romo never throws an INT for the game.

All in all, Romo almost had a 300 yard, 4 TD and 0 INT day. All that prevented that was a Fasano drop and two miscues by Crayton.

Instead, he ends up with 200 ish yards and 1 TD and 1 INT and "chokes."
 

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Arkyvarminter;5092643 said:
I actually think the media is starting to change their tune on Romo and starting to give him a little praise. They have ran him into the ground for so long that everyone is agreeing with them and this isn't selling anymore. Now they are going to go the other direction in order to get a little controversy. Its what they do and people are stupid enough to believe and follow it.

Actually Romo started as media darling and some ex-cowboys had issue with it saying he hadn't earned the accolades yet. Then the media went over-board in their criticism of him. Now, its somewhere in the middle where it belongs until either Romo takes that next step or regresses.
 

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Vintage;5092760 said:
Don't forget the Fasano dropped TD pass.
Or the wide open and no one within 10 yards of Crayton and he dropped it pass. Had he caught it, he was off to the races for a potential TD.
Then, the 4th Quarter stopped route by Crayton, which would have resulted in a W (most likely) and Romo never throws an INT for the game.

All in all, Romo almost had a 300 yard, 4 TD and 0 INT day. All that prevented that was a Fasano drop and two miscues by Crayton.

Instead, he ends up with 200 ish yards and 1 TD and 1 INT and "chokes."

That is a good post, but all of that is Romo's fault. You know it, I know it, and the experts know it. So does a few of his supposed fans on this forum.

If Romo would have never bobbled "the snap" and if he would have never "went to Cabo", or if he would have never "golfed so much" or wear "his cap backwards"...or "be so dammed fat" the Cowboys most likely would have won at least one SB!

Oh, well, at least all the other players on the team did their job.
 

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5Stars;5092756 said:
Like the one where Crayton slowed down on his route for a possible game winner?

Look, I'm not interested into getting into another Romo debate. Some players are going to look at his elimination game reputation. They're going to look at his 3 turnovers in the season finale in 2013 vs Washington. That's just the way it is.
 

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DFWJC;5092755 said:
I'm pretty sure he's not on the list at this point.

Of course, Ryan, Stafford, and Newton will be on it and Romo (Romo's team) has as many playoff wins as all of them combined.

But now we're in the top 40...so I this point, I don't really thnk he even should be ranked that high.

With 40 players left Matt Stafford won't make the list. He passed for almost 5000 yards but he completed less than 60% of his passes and his passer rating in 2013 was only 79.8 plus the Lions missed the playoffs. Romo who had a better statistical season than Stafford has a much better chance of making that list.
 

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KJJ;5092773 said:
With 40 players left Matt Stafford won't make the list. He passed for almost 5000 yards but he completed less than 60% of his passes and his passer rating in 2013 was only 79.8 plus the Lions missed the playoffs. Romo who had a better statistical season than Stafford has a much better chance of making that list.
Stafford already made the list (76th).
That was my point.
 

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DFWJC;5092776 said:
Stafford already made the list.
That was my point.

I'm surprised Stafford is on the list I don't get it. :confused: Matt Ryan had a much better statistical season than Stafford and Ryan led Atlanta to the NFC title game. This is exactly why I don't watch the countdown and take that list seriously.
 

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KJJ;5092777 said:
I'm surprised he's on the list I don't get it. :confused: Matt Ryan had a much better statistical season than Stafford and Ryan led Atlanta to the NFC title game. This is exactly why I don't watch the countdown and take it seriously.
Yeah, the rankings can be nuts.
But I wouldn't fret about Matt Ryan, as he almost surely is on the list but has not yet been announced yet. My guess is his is in the next group (31-40)
 

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Because people decide to subscribe to the "QB is to blame and praise for everything", does not make it right. It's an accurate assessment of how people judge, yes, but that doesn't mean that you must follow that rule yourself. Especially if we are all aware of how the team has performed, being that we have probably watched every Cowboy game for at least a decade.

Eh, I'm just annoyed having to talk football with Niner fans who blame Romo for the boys lackluster performances, but praise Kaep for the Niners being so successful. It's like the exact opposite situations going on in each franchise. lol

With that being said the top 100 is not exact and people will be left off. More wins this year, means more boys in the list. :starspin
 

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SDCowboy85;5092688 said:
Then why is Matt Ryan on the list with a worse playoff record?
??...Do you know what Matt Ryan's playoff record is? Do you know what Romo's playoff record is? lol...
 

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DFWJC;5092779 said:
Yeah, the rankings can be nuts.
But I wouldn't fret about Matt Ryan, as he almost surely is on the list but has not yet been announced yet. My guess is his is in the next group (31-40)

As I stated I'm not watching the shows or following the list so I have no idea who's already on it. These year to year lists and rankings are silly. Stafford only had 64 more passing yards than Romo but Romo was well ahead of him in every other statistical category.

Both the Cowboys and Lions missed the playoffs but Detroit finished 4-12. If this ranking list ends with Romo off the list with Stafford being on it then obviously Romo's meltdown vs Washington in the season finale will weigh heavily as to why.
 

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DFWJC;5092779 said:
Yeah, the rankings can be nuts.
But I wouldn't fret about Matt Ryan, as he almost surely is on the list but has not yet been announced yet. My guess is his is in the next group (31-40)

I watch NFLN Total Access every evening and one of the panelists that was discussing the list yesterday doesn't seem to think Ryan will make the list. That gives you an idea of how opinions differ on who should and shouldn't make that list.
 

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KJJ;5092787 said:
I watch NFLN Total Access every evening and one of the panelists that was discussing the list yesterday doesn't seem to think Ryan will make the list. That gives you an idea of how opinions differ on who should and shouldn't make that list.
I thought it was Flacco that the one guy thought wouldn't make it, and all thought Ryan was in. Anyway, we know Ryan is in. He was great last year.

Either way, I hear you.
 

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Nav22;5092652 said:
Durrr but itz diffrint fo' da quotabakks durrr!!!

Its absolutely different for the quarterbacks, my special dude. How could anyone not realize this? Who else is judged nearly as much by wins and losses as the quarterbacks? No one..

Whether you think its fair or not.. quarterbacks get alot more credit for winning and losing than any other position on the field.
 
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