Shady McCoy says Romo Top 100 player...

[SDCowboy]

??...Do you know what Matt Ryan's playoff record is? Do you know what Romo's playoff record is? lol...

Do YOU? Ryan's is 1-4. Romo's is 1-3. 1-4 < 1-3.

 

[SDCowboy]

Its absolutely different for the quarterbacks, my special dude. How could anyone not realize this? Who else is judged nearly as much by wins and losses as the quarterbacks? No one..

Whether you think its fair or not.. quarterbacks get alot more credit for winning and losing than any other position on the field.

Again, why are Matt Ryan and especially Stafford, on the list then?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Again, why are Matt Ryan and especially Stafford, on the list then?

Maybe because Ryan led his team to the best record in the NFL last year? Not to mention won a playoff game.

Not sure who Stafford screwed to get on the list..

 

[Nav22]

Its absolutely different for the quarterbacks, my special dude. How could anyone not realize this? Who else is judged nearly as much by wins and losses as the quarterbacks? No one..

Whether you think its fair or not.. quarterbacks get alot more credit for winning and losing than any other position on the field.

It's different to illogical buffoons who think it makes sense to judge a QB on wins and losses. Are you man enough to form your own opinion? Or do the talking heads do that for you?

If you're a knowledgable fan of the sport and you're smart enough to form your own opinions, it shouldn't make any difference to you what others think.

Remember when Tim Tebow was credited for the Broncos success in 2011? All the geniuses on television, in print and online who jumped on that bandwagon sure feel like complete idiots right now. As they should.

Team sport. Or did you think LeBron James only became the best player in the NBA at the end of last season?

 

[KJJ]

Do YOU? Ryan's is 1-4. Romo's is 1-3. 1-4 < 1-3.

With Romo they look at his elimination game record which is 1-6.

 

[Nav22]

With Romo they look at his elimination game record which is 1-6.

"They" :laugh2:

Why are you concerned with what "they" think? Can't you form your own opinion without using the cowardly crutch of, "Well, the talking heads on TV think so too!"

It's because you know that line of thinking is inherently silly and illogical. To claim it as solely your own opinion scares you. You're worried that the smart people will make fun of you, and you're right.

The talking heads propped up Tim Tebow just 2 seasons ago.

Tim Tebow.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

It's different to illogical buffoons who think it makes sense to judge a QB on wins and losses. Are you man enough to form your own opinion? Or do the talking heads do that for you?

If you're a knowledgable fan of the sport and you're smart enough to form your own opinions, it shouldn't make any difference to you what others think.

Remember when Tim Tebow was credited for the Broncos success in 2011? All the geniuses on television, in print and online who jumped on that bandwagon sure feel like complete idiots right now. As they should.

Team sport. Or did you think LeBron James only became the best player in the NBA at the end of last season?

First of all, questioning someone's manhood on a message board is next to pathetic. You certainly seem very worked up on the topic.. but as i said, whether you like it or not, quarterbacks get judged on wins and losses.

Why? Because they are the leaders out there.. they have the ball in their hands all game, so they have the most control out of any position on the outcome of the game. Its pretty simple. Kind of like pitchers in baseball.. also judged on wins and losses because they have the ball in their hand the majority of the game, so they have the most control over the outcome. Certainly its a team sport, but its not that difficult to see why they are judged that way.

Now, can a QB play well and still lose? Can a pitcher pitch well and still lose?

Of course they can, silly.. which is why wins and losses isn't the be all, end all to judge pitchers or QB's.. its just one of the criteria.. which is why alot of analysts and players are saying that Romo deserves to be on the list. I agree.

 

[KJJ]

I thought it was Flacco that the one guy thought wouldn't make it, and all thought Ryan was in. Anyway, we know Ryan is in. He was great last year.

Either way, I hear you.

You may be referring to someone on the actual countdown show where they reveal the names of the next 10 players on the list or you're talking about the recap show. I'm talking about the discussion on NFL Total Access yesterday with Lindsay Rhodes, Dave Dameshek and another guy I think he's a sports writer. It was the other guy who either didn't think Ryan would make the list or he said he wouldn't put him on the list.

As for Stafford I had no idea he was already on the list I figured if he hadn't already been listed no way would he be voted as one of the top 40 players from last season. His completion percentage and dismal 79.8 passer rating along with the Lions 4-12 season made just making the list an accomplishment. He slid from #41 in 2012 to #76 in 2013.

 

[Nav22]

Comparing a QB's job to a pitcher's... wow. Just wow. They're both on the bench for at least half the game, so they have that in common. But if you can't see why a QB is FAR, FAR more dependent on his offensive teammates than a pitcher depends on his defensive teammates, I feel very sorry for you.

Sounds like you're still very concerned with how others judge players. Sad. Hopefully one day you'll develop the confidence needed to be your own person and form your own opinions.

Dust off that Tim Tebow jersey and rock it proudly. If you're going to be a sheep, at least be a proud one.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

You may be referring to someone on the actual countdown show where they reveal the names of the next 10 players on the list or you're talking about the recap show. I'm talking about the discussion on NFL Total Access yesterday with Lindsay Rhodes, Dave Dameshek and another guy I think he's a sports writer. It was the other guy who either didn't think Ryan would make the list or he said he wouldn't put him on the list.

As for Stafford I had no idea he was already on the list I figured if he hadn't already been listed no way would he be voted as one of the top 40 players from last season. His completion percentage and dismal 79.8 passer rating along with the Lions 4-12 season made just making the list an accomplishment. He slid from #41 in 2012 to #76 in 2013.

How Stafford makes the list at all is mind boggling.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Comparing a QB's job to a pitcher's... wow. Just wow. They're both on the bench for at least half the game, so they have that in common. But if you can't see why a QB is FAR, FAR more dependent on his offensive teammates than a pitcher depends on his defensive teammates, I feel very sorry for you.

Sounds like you're still very concerned with how others judge players. Sad. Hopefully one day you'll develop the confidence needed to be your own person and form your own opinions.

Dust off that Tim Tebow jersey and rock it proudly. If you're going to be a sheep, at least be a proud one.

I don't think you have any idea how dependant a pitcher is on his teammates to help him win a ballgame.

That's what i think..

 

[KJJ]

"They" :laugh2:

Why are you concerned with what "they" think? Can't you form your own opinion without using the cowardly crutch of, "Well, the talking heads on TV think so too!"

It's because you know that line of thinking is inherently silly and illogical. To claim it as solely your own opinion scares you. You're worried that the smart people will make fun of you, and you're right.

The talking heads propped up Tim Tebow just 2 seasons ago.

Tim Tebow.

Dude, I have my own opinion it's been given many times on this board and it's shared by most (they) who know and understand NFL football. Anyone who follows my posts know I form my opinions on facts. Romo is being judged on his elimination game record because his playoff record consists of only 4 games and the Cowboys haven't made the playoffs in 3 years. Romo has been involved in 3 regular season finales where a playoff birth was on the line for both the Cowboys and their opponent and he's 0-3 in those games.

He's going to take some of the blame for those losses especially considering he has 12 turnovers in his 6 elimination game losses. Those 3 elimination games were like playoff games win and you move on and lose and your season is over. FANS like you hate that Romo is being judged on his elimination game record because it adds more losses to his big game resume but until he stops turning the ball over in those games and chalking up some wins that's how he's going to be judged. All QB's are judged by how they perform in playoff like situations and Romo has only avoided turnovers and performed at a high level in one elimination game which led to his only win.

As for Tebow it wasn't just the talking heads that propped him up it was the fans who were making his jersey sales #1 amongst NFL players. Tebow won games in the most unconventional way we've ever seen by a QB in the NFL and not only did it get Denver to the playoffs in 2012 but they won a playoff game.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Dude, I have my own opinion it's been given many times on this board and it's shared by most (they) who know and understand NFL football. Anyone who follows my posts know I form my opinions on facts. Romo is being judged on his elimination game record because his playoff record consists of only 4 games and the Cowboys haven't made the playoffs in 3 years. Romo has been involved in 3 regular season finales where a playoff birth was on the line for both the Cowboys and their opponent and he's 0-3 in those games.

He's going to take some of the blame for those losses especially considering he has 12 turnovers in his 6 elimination game losses. Those elimination games were like playoff games win and you move on and lose and your season is over. FANS like you hate that Romo is being judged on his elimination game record but until he stops turning the ball over in those games and chalking up some wins that's how he's going to be judged. All QB's are judged by how they perform in playoff like situations and Romo has only avoided turnovers and performed at a high level in one elimination game which led to his only win.

As for Tebow it wasn't just the talking heads that propped him up it was the fans who were making his jersey sales #1 amongst NFL players. Tebow won games in the most unconventional way we've ever seen by a QB in the NFL and not only did it get Denver to the playoffs in 2012 but they won a playoff game.

Hey, KJJ.. pipe down over there. Everyone knows if you don't agree with every word Nav says, you must be an uninformed sheep.

Also, seems Tebow had a run with his girlfriend as much as he brings the guy up.

:laugh2:

 

[KJJ]

How Stafford makes the list at all is mind boggling.

I certainly wouldn't have put him on it. He put up a lot of yards but a lot of those yards were garbage yards to megatron in games that were already lost.

 

[gbrittain]

I am well aware that Romo is not a perfect QB but then again who is. I am just amazed how much people attribute to the QB be it good or bad.

Look at Alex Smith. He was the ultimate first round bust then all of a sudden 49ers get a new coach and their D becomes dominant and he goes from bust to one bonehead play by a special teamer away from the Super Bowl.

Mark Sanchez was once a hot property and he was propped up around here as a guy who "led" his team to two consecutive AFC championships. Now with the defense fading the Jets are trying to replace him.

Denver won a playoff game two years ago with Tim Tebow and then don't win a playoff game with Peyton Manning.

While Aaron Rodgers was busy with a playoff run and ultimately winning a Super Bowl the Green Bay defense also happened to pick off the opposing QB 8 times in the playoffs. Of those 8 picks, 3 of them were pick sixes and one of the picks was in the end zone which saved the Pack from losing to the Eagles. When I see Rodgers who I consider to be the best QB going right now need the help of his defense to win some playoff games it should not come as a surprise that Tony is going to need some help in big games as well.

When Tom Brady was busy still learning the pro game and starting in only his 17th game ever he won a Super Bowl. Tom Brady as a seasoned pro and one of the unquestioned best QBs to ever play the game has not won a Super Bowl in nine years.

I am not trying to excuse Romo a mistake is a mistake, just echoing the sentiment that you have to look deeper than just the QB position when assigning success and failure.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I am well aware that Romo is not a perfect QB but then again who is. I am just amazed how much people attribute to the QB be it good or bad.

Look at Alex Smith. He was the ultimate first round bust then all of a sudden 49ers get a new coach and their D becomes dominant and he goes from bust to one bonehead play by a special teamer away from the Super Bowl.

Mark Sanchez was once a hot property and he was propped up around here as a guy who "led" his team to two consecutive AFC championships. Now with the defense fading the Jets are trying to replace him.

Denver won a playoff game two years ago with Tim Tebow and then don't win a playoff game with Peyton Manning.

While Aaron Rodgers was busy with a playoff run and ultimately winning a Super Bowl the Green Bay defense also happened to pick off the opposing QB 8 times in the playoffs. Of those 8 picks, 3 of them were pick sixes and one of the picks was in the end zone which saved the Pack from losing to the Eagles. When I see Rodgers who I consider to be the best QB going right now need the help of his defense to win some playoff games it should not come as a surprise that Tony is going to need some help in big games as well.

When Tom Brady was busy still learning the pro game and starting in only his 17th game ever he won a Super Bowl. Tom Brady as a seasoned pro and one of the unquestioned best QBs to ever play the game has not won a Super Bowl in nine years.

I am not trying to excuse Romo a mistake is a mistake, just echoing the sentiment that you have to look deeper than just the QB position when assigning success and failure.

I think most intelligent people realize this already.. which is why no one has ever mistaken Mark Sanchez or Alex Smith for being "great" quarterbacks, and why Tom Brady is still considered a great QB even without winning a super bowl in 9 years.

Again, wins and losses is just one part of the criteria for judging a QB.. not the be all, end all.

 

[KJJ]

Hey, KJJ.. pipe down over there. Everyone knows if you don't agree with every word Nav says, you must be an uninformed sheep.

Also, seems Tebow had a run with his girlfriend as much as he brings the guy up.

:laugh2:

He's been on this board since 04 and this is the first time I've ever noticed him. I thought he was someone new until I saw when he became a member. He sounds like a typical FAN which is probably why he doesn't stand out.

 

[KJJ]

Remember when Tim Tebow was credited for the Broncos success in 2011? All the geniuses on television, in print and online who jumped on that bandwagon sure feel like complete idiots right now. As they should.

Most experts and knowledgeable fans felt Denver couldn't continue winning with Tebow. Even Denver knew it that's why they dumped him after that season and went after Manning.

 

[durrrr]

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[Ring Leader]

"They" :laugh2:

Why are you concerned with what "they" think? Can't you form your own opinion without using the cowardly crutch of, "Well, the talking heads on TV think so too!"

It's because you know that line of thinking is inherently silly and illogical. To claim it as solely your own opinion scares you. You're worried that the smart people will make fun of you, and you're right.

The talking heads propped up Tim Tebow just 2 seasons ago.

Tim Tebow.

Bingo.