Shanahan Not a Foregone Conclusion

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Not sure if this has been covered yet in a thread but I have been hearing buzz on WFAN radio in New York in recent days that Washington will be the front runner for Shanahan's services next season. It is assumed by many (including me) that he would be the logical choice for Jerry because he fits so perfectly. If Snyder beats us to the punch this is bad news because I doubt Cowher is coming here and who knows on Holmgren or Gruden. Shanahan is what Romo desperately needs ala the Payton-Bress tandem in NO to really take off IMO. Thoughts?
 

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Shanahan's the only retread coach I'm interested in. But even then, he doesn't make me jump and down or anything
 

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Novacek84;3016328 said:
Not sure if this has been covered yet in a thread but I have been hearing buzz on WFAN radio in New York in recent days that Washington will be the front runner for Shanahan's services next season. It is assumed by many (including me) that he would be the logical choice for Jerry because he fits so perfectly. If Snyder beats us to the punch this is bad news because I doubt Cowher is coming here and who knows on Holmgren or Gruden. Shanahan is what Romo desperately needs ala the Payton-Bress tandem in NO to really take off IMO. Thoughts?

He already turned Danny Boy down.
 

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WFAN/Francessa is saying Washington is almost a done deal the only hold up is the payment amount & what percent coming from denver.

I never saw him as a fit for jerry except the possible knee jerk by jerry right after he was fired & jerry was taking a beating for his continuity spiel.

the guy is 10x wade+jason combined (that says nothing really) but there are better coaches available imho. MS would want more control than jerry would allow and doesn't seem to know how to put together a defense two immediate red flags.
 

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Why are some people in love with Shanahan but not Holmgren? I see them as pretty similar, except Holmgren has won with more than one team.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3016365 said:
Why are some people in love with Shanahan but not Holmgren? I see them as pretty similar, except Holmgren has won with more than one team.



Holmgren's my number one retread and it's not really close.
 

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I keep hearing Mike Shanahan will want a lot of front office control on player signings and that would be a big obstacle in Washington and Dallas.

Insurmountable?

Certainly not, anything is possible, but Jon Gruden is the flavor of the week in our nation's capitol.

I'm not enthused at the idea of a retread coach because odds favor him being in town only 3-4 years.

I love how the Pittsburgh Steelers identify a young coach with the right qualities and commit themselves to him long term.

Long term winners need front office and coaching staff stability.

If we need a new coach following the season, I'd like to find the right young guy for the job.

Another prospect I've been interested in for a while now is Arizona Cardinals OL/Assistant head coach Russ Grimm.

He isn't a puppy (50ish) and his playing career as a Hog is a blight on the resume, but he almost got the Steelers job before young dark horse Mike Tomlin got the nod.

If the Rooneys think you can do the job, odds are you can.
 

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MrMom;3016375 said:
Holmgren's my number one retread and it's not really close.

Care to explain? Just wondering what others think.

I would probably prefer Gruden over the others due to his age, energy, etc., but I basically see them all about the same.

None of them bring the excitement factor Jimmy gave me when he came in 1989, (I was estatic over that hire), but any one of the three would definitely be an upgrade over Wade and Garrett.
 

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Grudens last on my list.

Wed be in good hands w/ Shanny/Holmgren for a few years but Id rather find a guy who we think can be here 10 year +
 

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Yeah, a few days ago, I was listening to ESPN Radio and they said it was pretty much going to happen.

And a few days ago, they said it may not happen because Shanahan's relationship with someone in the Front Office.

You never know.

One thing that's for certain, Jim Zorn's days are numbered.
 

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Maikeru-sama;3016407 said:
Yeah, a few days ago, I was listening to ESPN Radio and they said it was pretty much going to happen.

And a few days ago, they said it may not happen because Shanahan's relationship with someone in the Front Office.

You never know.

One thing that's for certain, Jim Zorn's days are numbered.

Everyone knew that the day he became the defaulted Head Coach

Danny makes Jerry look smart
 

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MrMom;3016375 said:
Holmgren's my number one retread and it's not really close.

Same here.

I get why some like Shanahan, and I'd be okay with him, but his defenses were consistently incompetent and Holmgren is a better developer of QBs IMO.

I'm surprised so many are for Gruden with the trainwreck QB situation he consistently had. But hey, he makes intense faces and the People Mag Most Beautiful People list, I guess.
 

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Bluefin;3016381 said:
I keep hearing Mike Shanahan will want a lot of front office control on player signings and that would be a big obstacle in Washington and Dallas.

Insurmountable?

Certainly not, anything is possible, but Jon Gruden is the flavor of the week in our nation's capitol.

I'm not enthused at the idea of a retread coach because odds favor him being in town only 3-4 years.

I love how the Pittsburgh Steelers identify a young coach with the right qualities and commit themselves to him long term.

Long term winners need front office and coaching staff stability.

If we need a new coach following the season, I'd like to find the right young guy for the job.

Another prospect I've been interested in for a while now is Arizona Cardinals OL/Assistant head coach Russ Grimm.

He isn't a puppy (50ish) and his playing career as a Hog is a blight on the resume, but he almost got the Steelers job before young dark horse Mike Tomlin got the nod.

If the Rooneys think you can do the job, odds are you can.

I think this is the best way to go, we've switched coaches every 3 to 4 years since Jimmy left. We need continuity and a consistent team approach that emanates from management all the way down to the equipment manager.

I'm as down on Jerry as anyone, but I think a change of philosophy starting with him would be as close as we'll ever get to having a GM. Surely Jerry can see how the team first approach is working with the better teams. I wish he would not reward hollywood behavior and strive to have his best marketing come from positive results on the field and not big trades, contracts or flashy players. As long as I am dreaming, I wish there would be a heavy emphasis on situational football. I've never even heard that term roll off the lips of a player or coach. Lastly, Jerry & co need to button up the info that comes out of the locker room and preach that everyone is in this together and they're a team above all else. This should be the consistent message that comes from everyone within the organization, don't give the press any rope to hang you with.

The release of TO, Pacman, etc provides some evidence that some of my hopes may be being encorporated into how this team is being managed, but it's too early to tell.

I think teams who have a good staff in place that is backed by the front office and management that emphasizes a team first approach can create a revolving door at various positions because they have drafted and developed players to take expensive veterans places on the field and keep the salary cap manageable. However good scouts and other personnel have to be hired and empowered to identify these players and then we have to have the trust in the coaches to develop these players properly.

Free agent signings can be peppered in but in almost all cases at cap friendly deals. Save the big salary cap crippling contracts for the very few individuals that demonstrate the character, love & passion for the game to let you know they'll work and play to the best of their ability regardless of what they get paid.

No more gambling Jerry, save the wildcatting for the oil fields and begin to build a team that can compete year in and out the owner, management and fans can be proud of.

Some one shake me and wake me up now
 

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Kangaroo;3016410 said:
Everyone knew that the day he became the defaulted Head Coach

Danny makes Jerry look smart

Yeah, he's a terrible owner.

I heard Chris Mortensen state that he would be surprised if Shanahan took the job because he doesn't think he would get along with Snider and the Commanders are a little nervous about the control Shanahan has asked for.
 

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Maikeru-sama;3016407 said:
One thing that's for certain, Jim Zorn's days are numbered.

Is any of this definitive? If so, Snyder's pretty much a classless ***. As much as dislike Jerry, I have to give it to him in that respect, he doesn't pull this kind of crap on his employees and hang this over their heads.

What would make Zorn want to do his best under these circumstances? The 'Skins aren't 0-5, to put something like this on the head coach this early is lame. If he sucks Snyder should have had the wherewithal (or someone counseling him) to recognize this long before the first quarter of a season.
 

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vta;3016419 said:
Is any of this definitive? If so, Snyder's pretty much a classless ***. As much as dislike Jerry, I have to give it to him in that respect, he doesn't pull this kind of crap on his employees and hang this over their heads.

What would make Zorn want to do his best under these circumstances? The 'Skins aren't 0-5, to put something like this on the head coach this early is lame. If he sucks Snyder should have had the wherewithal (or someone counseling him) to recognize this long before the first quarter of a season.

Not sure.

They have struggled against some of the worst teams in the NFL and lost some of those games.

I was looking at the schedule at work today and I wonder if a case could be made that they have one the easiest first 6 games in NFL history or at least rival some of the more easier schedules through 6 games.

I know if the Cowboys would have lost to Detroit and Carolina, there would be good chance Wade Phillips would get the axe.

If Washington loses to Kansas City, then the crap is going to hit the fan.
 

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I am not sure show i want the most but I dont think I'd be upset with any of them. Shannahan, Holmgren, Dungy, Cowher, Gruden. I don't think I'd be upset with any of them to be honest.
 
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