Shaun O'Hara (Giants Center) on the Phillips 3-4

[theogt]

Not much meat here guys, but Shaun O'Hara was co-hosting a show on Sirius NFL Radio this morning and they were talking about the 1-gap vs. 2-gap defense. Shaun commented that it was easier to play against a 2-gap defense because it really ties the hands of the ends. From an offensive lineman's viewpoint, he said, you can gain a significant advantage against a 2-gap because the D-line basically stands up and waits (reacts) for the play to develop.

Just thought it was interesting that our division rival would rather play against the Parcells 3-4 than the Phillips 3-4.

 

[dogunwo]

Well, he cant say that he is scared..........

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Everyone knows Phillips scheme is better.. High risk but real high reward.

 

[CoachHodnett]

Pretty much what he said was last year they would always count Demarcus Ware as a Defensive End and whenever he was walked up on the line (and not out covering someone) they would "Fan" to Ware's side, meaning who ever the last man on the O-Line is (Tackle or TE) would immediately block Ware, the next man would Block the Defensive End, and the RB would pick up any clutter in the A Gap.

What this tells me is that teams schemed against our Vanilla attack because a Fan block against a normal blitz is a great counter. However, if we had looped Ware through the B Gap and Had Spears or Canty Slant out, they would have been screwed.

This is just another reason why i'm extrememly excited for this year.

 

[theogt]

Pretty much what he said was last year they would always count Demarcus Ware as a Defensive End and whenever he was walked up on the line (and not out covering someone) they would "Fan" to Ware's side, meaning who ever the last man on the O-Line is (Tackle or TE) would immediately block Ware, the next man would Block the Defensive End, and the RB would pick up any clutter in the A Gap.

What this tells me is that teams schemed against our Vanilla attack because a Fan block against a normal blitz is a great counter. However, if we had looped Ware through the B Gap and Had Spears or Canty Slant out, they would have been screwed.

This is just another reason why i'm extrememly excited for this year.

Good call. He mentioned that that was an excellent opportunity to blitz up the middle when they fanned out when Ware was lined up far outside. But, of course, we rarely did it and when we were going to it was obvious. Delayed blitzing up the middle with faster ILBs would be killer in those situation. So many things you can do with the talent we have that we just haven't capitalized on yet.

So, when does the season start again?

 

[dmq]

Everyone knows Phillips scheme is better.. High risk but real high reward.

At the very least, it is more fun to watch.

 

[Vintage]

At the very least, it is more fun to watch.

Winning is also fun to watch.

I don't care what we do, how we do it, just so long as we win.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Winning is also fun to watch.

I don't care what we do, how we do it, just so long as we win.

AMEN! :laugh2:

 

[Wolfpack]

Not much meat here guys, but Shaun O'Hara was co-hosting a show on Sirius NFL Radio this morning and they were talking about the 1-gap vs. 2-gap defense. Shaun commented that it was easier to play against a 2-gap defense because it really ties the hands of the ends. From an offensive lineman's viewpoint, he said, you can gain a significant advantage against a 2-gap because the D-line basically stands up and waits (reacts) for the play to develop.

Just thought it was interesting that our division rival would rather play against the Parcells 3-4 than the Phillips 3-4.

Good pick up. Really tells some of the story.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Everyone knows Phillips scheme is better.. High risk but real high reward.

B I N G O!!

 

[superpunk]

Everyone knows Phillips scheme is better..

Let's say that's true for a minute.

Why was San Diego never appreciably better than the Cowboys as a defense? If their scheme was vastly superior, why didn't they outplay the Cowboys? Is our personnel just THAT much better than San Diego's, that we were somehow able to overcome these archaic schemes with our magnificent talent, and San Diego's pathetic talent was propped up by Phillips' magnificent scheme?

It will be more exciting.

That does not mean it is any better. Let's just hope our players execute this scheme better than they did Parcells'.

 

[trickblue]

Let's say that's true for a minute.

Why was San Diego never appreciably better than the Cowboys as a defense? If their scheme was vastly superior, why didn't they outplay the Cowboys? Is our personnel just THAT much better than San Diego's, that we were somehow able to overcome these archaic schemes with our magnificent talent, and San Diego's pathetic talent was propped up by Phillips' magnificent scheme?

It will be more exciting.

That does not mean it is any better. Let's just hope our players execute this scheme better than they did Parcells'.

They were APPRECIABLY better in the sack department...

Can you imagine how much better we would have been had he added on another 30+ sacks?

We may very-well be that much better personnel-wise, or we may be fooling ourselves... but only time will tell...

I can't wait to find out...

 

[WoodysGirl]

Let's say that's true for a minute.

Why was San Diego never appreciably better than the Cowboys as a defense? If their scheme was vastly superior, why didn't they outplay the Cowboys? Is our personnel just THAT much better than San Diego's, that we were somehow able to overcome these archaic schemes with our magnificent talent, and San Diego's pathetic talent was propped up by Phillips' magnificent scheme?

It will be more exciting.

That does not mean it is any better. Let's just hope our players execute this scheme better than they did Parcells'.

Agreed...all the way around.

It'll be much more exciting to watch, but if we give up the same amount of big plays as we did last year, will it be blamed on the scheme or the players?

 

[Vintage]

^Judging by how many around here are acting towards Phillips and Parcells...

It will be the schemes fault.

 

[superpunk]

They were APPRECIABLY better in the sack department...

Can you imagine how much better we would have been had he added on another 30+ sacks?

We may very-well be that much better personnel-wise, or we may be fooling ourselves... but only time will tell...

I can't wait to find out...

I can definitely imagine.

But everyone seems to be focusing on the "high reward" part, and ignoring the "high risk" part.

We all love Terrence Newman. I would have his children. But isn't it possible that our conservative scheme protected guys like him and Henry? For all the stating that the best way to fix a secondary is a pass rush, it ought to be awful tough to find holes with 8 men in coverage, as Parcells liked to do oftentimes.

I'm just saying, in a vastly superior scheme, you'd think they'd put up vastly superior numbers. They didn't. Is our personnel just vastly superior, then?

It'll be much more exciting to watch, but if we give up the same amount of big plays as we did last year, will it be blamed on the scheme or the players?

The scheme, clearly. It's way easier to do that than admit that the players failing in the scheme aren't any good.

 

[theogt]

Let's say that's true for a minute.

Why was San Diego never appreciably better than the Cowboys as a defense? If their scheme was vastly superior, why didn't they outplay the Cowboys? Is our personnel just THAT much better than San Diego's, that we were somehow able to overcome these archaic schemes with our magnificent talent, and San Diego's pathetic talent was propped up by Phillips' magnificent scheme?

It will be more exciting.

That does not mean it is any better. Let's just hope our players execute this scheme better than they did Parcells'.

They were appreciably better, period. Their secondary is horrible compared to ours, yet they were still a better overall defense. The problem with vanilla is that, toward the end of the season, everyone knows what you're doing and can exploit it. That happened with us. I'd bet everything I own it doesn't happen with Wade.

 

[theebs]

Everyone knows Phillips scheme is better.. High risk but real high reward.

better? According to who? Phillips scheme has never won anything.

Teams have always found a way to beat it, regardless of its pass rush.

I hope it works out here, but to say it is better is wrong. That is your mindset because you think that we will instantly have 60 sacks this year.

Parcells 3-4 won in many places and won two superbowls. Phillips hasnt, in fact phillips can never even win playoff games.

I hope it changes this year. The perception that parcells cant coach and doesnt know what he is doing that this forum has taken is comical to me.

 

[trickblue]

They were appreciably better, period. Their secondary is horrible compared to ours, yet they were still a better overall defense. The problem with vanilla is that at the end of the season, everyone knows what you're doing and can exploit it.

Exactly...

When the Detroit Lions say they knew every move you are going to make, you have predictability issues...

 

[superpunk]

They were appreciably better, period.

Come again?

Their secondary is horrible compared to ours,

On the surface, I'd agree with this.

Isn't it possible that the scheme just exposed them more?

 

[superpunk]

Exactly...

When the Detroit Lions say they knew every move you are going to make, you have predictability issues...

Did they say that?

Or did Jon Kitna just say that "#56 alot of times doesn't look like he knows what's going on out there."