Shockey will catch

[jr40usa]

at least 2 Touchdowns on Sunday. We have had a history of not being able to cover TE and this guy is on a role.

 

[budsboys]

shockey hasn't done anything against the boys this far in career and its not going to begin this week

 

[Big D]

i'd change that to: Shockey will DROP at least 2 Touchdowns on Sunday.



:starspin

 

[Spurs21Cowboys22]

at least 2 touchdowns? I'd be surprised.

Dallas has given up 2 touchdowns ALL YEAR to tight ends. One being to Shockey when the secondary didn't get the play call. The other being to Hannam of Seattle.

 

[Jimz31]

I like Shockey and all...in fact, I wanted him during the draft a couple of years back.

However, he will be crying before the game is over.

 

[Crown Royal]

The only player that I have noticed he continues to get the best of is Roy. He has beaten him on numerous crossing patterns and fades into the endzone when roy is covering him man on man. Kind of a knock on Roy, but we already know that doing that isn't to Roy's strengths (man to man coverage).

On the other hand, Shockey would murder us if we try to match a LB up with him. And he has a knack for reading the zones and getting inside.

As a TE, honestly, unless you want to double up, he is virtually uncoverable. If you double up, that leaves Hilliard open, who is doing very well.

In other words - WE MUST pressure Eli and do so in a way that Shockey can't become a hot read. Otherwise, it could be messy.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

at least 2 Touchdowns on Sunday. We have had a history of not being able to cover TE and this guy is on a role.

Will we get to see his dance again?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Roy Williams had a tough time against him in 2003 on Monday Night and Shockey dropped at least 1-2 TDs that game.

But again I have to put his performance this year on Mr. Zimmer's lap.

We totally shut Manning and Shockey down the entire game.

But of course we had a lead late in the 4th quarter so that means dropping back in soft zones and not being aggresive like we were doing most of the game.

Go watch that game if you have the film. Eli Manning started scrambling around and completing all kinds of passess at the end of the game because we decided to play a passive/prevent type zone like we did against Washington. Like we did against Seattle. Like we did against err....nevermind :bang2: .

- Mike G.

 

[Crown Royal]

Roy Williams had a tough time against him in 2003 on Monday Night and Shockey dropped at least 1-2 TDs that game.

But again I have to put his performance this year on Mr. Zimmer's lap.

We totally shut Manning and Shockey down the entire game.

But of course we had a lead late in the 4th quarter so that means dropping back in soft zones and not being aggresive like we were doing most of the game.

Go watch that game if you have the film. Eli Manning started scrambling around and completing all kinds of passess at the end of the game because we decided to play a passive/prevent type zone like we did against Washington. Like we did against Seattle. Like we did against err....nevermind :bang2: .

- Mike G.

I go back to my normal response.

At the time we played them, they were the number 1 scoring offense in the league. We held them to 13 points.

If you hold the highest scoring offense in the league to 13 points, I don't care when they were scored - that's a good defensive stand.

If you hold the highest scoring offense in the league to 13 points, and you still have trouble winning the game, it isn't on the defense. You have other issues. (Hint - it wasn't special teams either).

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I go back to my normal response.

At the time we played them, they were the number 1 scoring offense in the league. We held them to 13 points.

If you hold the highest scoring offense in the league to 13 points, I don't care when they were scored - that's a good defensive stand.

If you hold the highest scoring offense in the league to 13 points, and you still have trouble winning the game, it isn't on the defense. You have other issues. (Hint - it wasn't special teams either).

Didnt say Zimmer's entire gameplaning was weak. I said his late 4th quarter when we have had a lead game planning is extremely week.

Doesnt really matter to me if you hold the 98 Vikings or the 2005 Colts to 0 points throughout most of the ball game, it is all about how you finish not where you start.

I would like to see him stay agressive like he normally does during most of the game. It scares me to death to have a lead in the 4th quarter now because I know the prevent/passive/play-not-to-lose/cover-2 possibly put Roy Williams one on one with the likes of Santana Moss if he gets past the corner defense is coming.

- Mike G.

 

[silverbear]

at least 2 Touchdowns on Sunday. We have had a history of not being able to cover TE and this guy is on a role.

Shockey has had exactly one good game against the Cowboys, that one coming earlier this year (he had 5 catches for 129 yards and 1 TD)... he has NEVER had a game against the Boys where he caught 2 TD passes, in fact he's caught 3 TD passes in 5 games played against them... so your prediction that he'll catch "at least 2" on Sunday is really rather startling (i.e., stupid)...

The truth is, the Cowboys have only given up 2 TDs TOTAL to TEs thus far this year, yet you're running around guaranteeing that Shockey will catch as many, if not more, in this next game... for the season, they've given up a total of 40 catches, for 448 yards, to opposing TDs... that would work out to 58 catches for 650 yards, and 3 TDs for an entire season... yet you're saying that Shockey will have "at least 2" Sunday... it's curious (i.e., stupid), really...

In 5 career games against the Boys, Shockey has 16 catches for 220 yards and 3 TDs... yet you're predicting that he'll catch at least 2, if not more, in this next game... never mind that he has yet to catch as many as 2 TD passes in a single game yet this season, h*ll, he's yet to catch 2 TD passes in a single game in his CAREER to date (covering 50 games, in which he's caught 17 TD passes)... yet you're arrogantly claiming that he'll have a better game than he's EVER had come Sunday... it's quite perplexing (i.e., stupid)...

IOW, junior, you don't know *** you're talking about... do come back and try again, when you've got some troll bait that's not quite as weak (i.e., STUPID) as this was...

 

[Crown Royal]

Didnt say Zimmer's entire gameplaning was weak. I said his late 4th quarter when we have had a lead game planning is extremely week.

Doesnt really matter to me if you hold the 98 Vikings or the 2005 Colts to 0 points throughout most of the ball game, it is all about how you finish not where you start.

I would like to see him stay agressive like he normally does during most of the game. It scares me to death to have a lead in the 4th quarter now because I know the prevent/passive/play-not-to-lose/cover-2 possibly put Roy Williams one on one with the likes of Santana Moss if he gets past the corner defense is coming.

- Mike G.

I don't care when the points are scored - you can't ask your defense to hold ANY team to 13 points or less with any consistency.

If our lead over 6 points was in jeopardy at the end of a game, the onus isn't on the defense if they drive and we lose. 13 points is 13 points - period. I want to trust my offense not to put that on my defense.

If the score were 32 Dallas, 28 NY, THEN I have complaints on my defense.

But as far as last minute drives to bring your score up to 13, that isn't a problem as far as I am concerned.

 

[Kilyin]

If the score were 32 Dallas, 28 NY, THEN I have complaints on my defense.

What if it was Dallas 45, NY 37, like the Colts-Bengals game? To hell with the score, just win.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

It's all about how you finish.

But hey, I guess there is some glory in holding a team ZERO points up until 5 minutes in the 4th quarter and then give up 2 TDs and lose anyway.

I think....

- Mike G.

 

[Crown Royal]

What if it was Dallas 45, NY 37, like the Colts-Bengals game? To hell with the score, just win.

Sure! After that game, though, it's my defense I'm looking at.

A year or two ago, Parcells had a press conference in which he was asked what he would like his average defense and offensive production to be.

His answer was somewhere along the lines of 17 points or less allowed on defense, 24 points or more scored on offense.

I have always followed the same adage.

If I can score 35 points in the first half and no score in the second, but I am not turning the ball over, and I still lose the game, well, quite honestly, it just isn't the offense that is worrying me.

Conversely, if my team shuts the opponent out all game and gives up 14 points in the last quarter, as counter intuitive as it sounds, I still can't blame my defense for losing that game. I am obligating defense to keep the score 17 or below. My offense didn't score enough to cover that allowance. For me, my offense blew it, not my defense.

 

[Crown Royal]

It's all about how you finish.

But hey, I guess there is some glory in holding a team ZERO points up until 5 minutes in the 4th quarter and then give up 2 TDs and lose anyway.

I think....

- Mike G.

It isn't about glory. To me, it's a shame that 14 points scored in that game beat us. Not that those 14 were given up late.

Do I think the pass should have been played better? Sure I do - but I can't say that is the reason we lost the game.

BTW - regarding deep zone - IMO, we would have won the Washington game had we played deeper. Roy was too shallow and inside.

 

[Shaun]

Shockey has had exactly one good game against the Cowboys, that one coming earlier this year (he had 5 catches for 129 yards and 1 TD)... he has NEVER had a game against the Boys where he caught 2 TD passes, in fact he's caught 3 TD passes in 5 games played against them... so your prediction that he'll catch "at least 2" on Sunday is really rather startling (i.e., stupid)...

The truth is, the Cowboys have only given up 2 TDs TOTAL to TEs thus far this year, yet you're running around guaranteeing that Shockey will catch as many, if not more, in this next game... for the season, they've given up a total of 40 catches, for 448 yards, to opposing TDs... that would work out to 58 catches for 650 yards, and 3 TDs for an entire season... yet you're saying that Shockey will have "at least 2" Sunday... it's curious (i.e., stupid), really...

In 5 career games against the Boys, Shockey has 16 catches for 220 yards and 3 TDs... yet you're predicting that he'll catch at least 2, if not more, in this next game... never mind that he has yet to catch as many as 2 TD passes in a single game yet this season, h*ll, he's yet to catch 2 TD passes in a single game in his CAREER to date (covering 50 games, in which he's caught 17 TD passes)... yet you're arrogantly claiming that he'll have a better game than he's EVER had come Sunday... it's quite perplexing (i.e., stupid)...

IOW, junior, you don't know *** you're talking about... do come back and try again, when you've got some troll bait that's not quite as weak (i.e., STUPID) as this was...

Nice post.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

it is all about how you finish not where you start.

that makes no sense, because if we started how we finished that game on D, we would have found ourselves in a hole, and probably would have been forced to come from behind instead of being up

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Sure! After that game, though, it's my defense I'm looking at.

A year or two ago, Parcells had a press conference in which he was asked what he would like his average defense and offensive production to be.

His answer was somewhere along the lines of 17 points or less allowed on defense, 24 points or more scored on offense.

I have always followed the same adage.

If I can score 35 points in the first half and no score in the second, but I am not turning the ball over, and I still lose the game, well, quite honestly, it just isn't the offense that is worrying me.

Conversely, if my team shuts the opponent out all game and gives up 14 points in the last quarter, as counter intuitive as it sounds, I still can't blame my defense for losing that game. I am obligating defense to keep the score 17 or below. My offense didn't score enough to cover that allowance. For me, my offense blew it, not my defense.

*applause*

 

[Qwickdraw]

Shockey is gay.





















You know... "happy".