Shotty, McCarthy, or Garrett

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Our 3 most recent coaches, they all have different coaching styles of course, 2 of them may have been here longer than expected. I know it's too early to judge Shotty maybe a bit unfair, but I think he's done some things that other coaches wouldn't have especially when it comes to holding players accountable.

With that said, who do you like most, and why?

Garrett- The Clapper

Big Mike- Mo jo moments

Shotty- Culture!!!
 
Cowboys5217 said:
They did best under McCarthy, but none of them thrill me. Here's an idea - how about we hire from among the best coaches on Earth? I know, I know, what am I thinking?
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You're clearly out of your mind if you think Jerry isn't going to START the coaching search with some old coach, then as things go on during the week, they'll walk down the hall at the Star and will promote someone from within!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::omg:
 
I know what you're asking and it is a valid question, but I will still write in my answer ..

Jimmy Johnson

Why? Because he was all about winning. He epitomized "You play to win the game!" every day and held every player and coach accountable when their performance negatively impacted that goal.

I don't think Jimmy was the best coach ever because man-to-man, I would take Landry every day, but I prefer Jimmy's style of coaching because today's athletes gravitate and respond to winners who have strong personalties, clear vision and high expectations.

As for the three you listed ..

Garrett was an illusion of intelligence. No doubt he was a smart guy, but being smart does not translate into winning. In fact, I think trying to be overly smart was his biggest flaw.

McCarthy was a good coach, but lacked attention to details from himself and from his players. He led the team to three 12-5 seasons, but in the playoffs against tougher opponents, details matter.

Schottenheimer's evaluation is open-ended and it's great that he bonds with the players, but men need a strong leader to respect and fight for and I'm not sure he's that guy, at least not at this point.
 
Reality said:
I know what you're asking and it is a valid question, but I will still write in my answer ..

Jimmy Johnson

Why? Because he was all about winning. He epitomized "You play to win the game!" every day and held every player and coach accountable when their performance negatively impacted that goal.

I don't think Jimmy was the best coach ever because man-to-man, I would take Landry every day, but I prefer Jimmy's style of coaching because today's athletes gravitate and respond to winners who have strong personalties, clear vision and high expectations.

As for the three you listed ..

Garrett was an illusion of intelligence. No doubt he was a smart guy, but being smart does not translate into winning. In fact, trying to be overly smart I think was his biggest flaw.

McCarthy was a good coach, but lacked attention to details from himself and from his players. He led the team to three 12-5 seasons, but in the playoffs against tougher opponents, details matter.

Schottenheimer's evaluation is open-ended and it's great that he bonds with the players, but men need a strong leader to respect and fight for and I'm not sure he's that guy, at least not at this point.
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Great points, hard to dispute this!!! I think shotty could be the best minus all the extra stuff of trying to get the guys to like him or be like the players
 
Reality said:
I know what you're asking and it is a valid question, but I will still write in my answer ..

Jimmy Johnson

Why? Because he was all about winning. He epitomized "You play to win the game!" every day and held every player and coach accountable when their performance negatively impacted that purpose.

I don't think Jimmy was the best coach ever because man-to-man, I would take Landry every day, but I prefer Jimmy's style of coaching because today's athletes gravitate and respond to winners who have strong personalties, clear vision and high expectations.

As for the three you listed ..

Garrett was an illusion of intelligence. No doubt he was a smart guy, but being smart does not translate into winning.

McCarthy was a good coach, but lacked attention to details from himself and from his players.

Schottenheimer's evaluation is open-ended and it's great that he bonds with the players, but men need a strong leader to respect and fight for and I'm not sure he's that guy, at least not at this point.
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What I like about Schottenheimer is as much as he bonds with his players he is at least showing signs of holding them accountable. Not starting Pickens and CD for the first series, not playing Blue, not letting Diggs back in until his preparation is deemed satisfactory are all great signs imo. How valid all that is I cant say, but the reports and a lot of what hes says to the media indicate hes serious about accountability.

Before someone chimes in about Pickens lazy routes or whatever im not insinuating hes going straight to punishment for every player for every event. Nor do I necessarily believe thats appropriate.

I do think you need address ongoing problems and keep everyone somewhat consistent.
 
CWR said:
What I like about Schottenheimer is as much as he bonds with his players he is at least showing signs of holding them accountable. Not starting Pickens and CD for the first series, not playing Blue, not letting Diggs back in until his preparation is deemed satisfactory are all great signs imo. How valid all that is I cant say, but the reports and a lot of what hes says to the media indicate hes serious about accountability.

Before someone chimes in about Pickens lazy routes or whatever im not insinuating hes going straight to punishment for every player for every event. Nor do I necessarily believe thats appropriate.

I do think you need address ongoing problems and keep everyone somewhat consistent.
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CWR said:
What I like about Schottenheimer is as much as he bonds with his players he is at least showing signs of holding them accountable. Not starting Pickens and CD for the first series, not playing Blue, not letting Diggs back in until his preparation is deemed satisfactory are all great signs imo. How valid all that is I cant say, but the reports and a lot of what hes says to the media indicate hes serious about accountability.

Before someone chimes in about Pickens lazy routes or whatever im not insinuating hes going straight to punishment for every player for every event. Nor do I necessarily believe thats appropriate.

I do think you need address ongoing problems and keep everyone somewhat consistent.
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Schottenheimer has shown signs of potential and as a Cowboys fan I will root for him to succeed, but he seems to do the same thing McCarthy did which was leave people on the field who are not performing well.

To his credit, Schottenheimer is an offensive coach and he not only correctly pick Javonte to start, he also shifted from a planned running back rotation to Javonte as primary and only replaces him for breathers. He also moved on from Tolbert which is really impressive considering Tolbert was not a bad receiver but it was clear he had hit his ceiling with the Cowboys.

On defense, it may be a situation where he's leaving those decisions up to Eberflus out of respect for a former head coach, but he needs to learn this is his team, not Eberflus' team and he is responsible for the team's performance, not just that of the offense.
 
At least Schotty isn't muzzled. He seems to speak for himself and not for Jerry. Hes like coogs, he can start 38 threads a day, I've tried to start 2 over the last 3 weeks and neither made the cut....I feel like Campo felt when Jerry muzzled him.
Schotty also has the respect from his players,..that is one advantage of moving up from coordinator...coordinators, usually have good relationships with the players, not always, but if they do the players will play harder for him, because of it.
 
No coach will have post-season success here with Jerry meddling. There's a reason we've had so many head coaches with the exact same end results since the last SB appearance.
 
Ranching said:
At least Schotty isn't muzzled. He seems to speak for himself and not for Jerry. Hes like coogs, he can start 38 threads a day, I've tried to start 2 over the last 3 weeks and neither made the cut....I feel like Campo felt when Jerry muzzled him.
Schotty also has the respect from his players,..that is one advantage of moving up from coordinator...coordinators, usually have good relationships with the players, not always, but if they do the players will play harder for him, because of it.
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All the players start with respecting a new coach until he loses them. We don't know if Schotty will lose them or not. It remains to be seen, but we haven't seen enough of him to rate him a failure or not, and the handicap of Jerry is not something to shrug off. That being said, Jerry will NEVER bring in a coach with enough control to win it all because it takes the focus off Jerry.
 
McCarthy had problems but he was the best of the 3.
Schottenheimer is still unproven, but by default he still better than Garrett.
Garrett is abysmal, he was actively a hindrance to Romo instead of a benefit.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
Our 3 most recent coaches, they all have different coaching styles of course, 2 of them may have been here longer than expected. I know it's too early to judge Shotty maybe a bit unfair, but I think he's done some things that other coaches wouldn't have especially when it comes to holding players accountable.

With that said, who do you like most, and why?

Garrett- The Clapper

Big Mike- Mo jo moments

Shotty- Culture!!!
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Coogiguy03 said:
Our 3 most recent coaches, they all have different coaching styles of course, 2 of them may have been here longer than expected. I know it's too early to judge Shotty maybe a bit unfair, but I think he's done some things that other coaches wouldn't have especially when it comes to holding players accountable.

With that said, who do you like most, and why?

Garrett- The Clapper

Big Mike- Mo jo moments

Shotty- Culture!!!
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I think in the big scheme of things Shotty will end up being VERY good. Not a fan of Fluss whatsoever though. Remember how BOTH Garrett and Big Mikes first year def coordinators did? Not so good......
 
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