Shotty, McCarthy, or Garrett

Coogiguy03 said:
Our 3 most recent coaches, they all have different coaching styles of course, 2 of them may have been here longer than expected. I know it's too early to judge Shotty maybe a bit unfair, but I think he's done some things that other coaches wouldn't have especially when it comes to holding players accountable.

With that said, who do you like most, and why?

Garrett- The Clapper

Big Mike- Mo jo moments

Shotty- Culture!!!
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Big Mike.
Schotty will, year after year, lead us to 8-9 seasons and put us squarely in the 16th draft pick. (good thing we have a stash of draft picks.)
Garrett is history, as is all our past bad coaches.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
Our 3 most recent coaches, they all have different coaching styles of course, 2 of them may have been here longer than expected. I know it's too early to judge Shotty maybe a bit unfair, but I think he's done some things that other coaches wouldn't have especially when it comes to holding players accountable.

With that said, who do you like most, and why?

Garrett- The Clapper

Big Mike- Mo jo moments

Shotty- Culture!!!
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Of those 3. In this order: MM, shot, garrett
 
Gangsta Spanksta said:
I believe since Tom Landry there have only been two non-puppet coaches here: Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcels. All the other coaches are neutered a bit by our owner/GM. You have a right to believer else-wise and be impressed with words the coaching staff is spewing to the public. Me I am a believer that actions speak louder than words and at the end of the day, it still seems like we are a slightly over-achieving team that will miss the playoffs at the cost of draft capital. If the current puppet wasn't neutered then explain to me again how Parsons was traded again right before the season opener. A real coach wouldn't put up with that kind of fantasy football GMing. Some of you guys believe what you are told; some of us want to see action.
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Possibly and I’m just saying possibly the coach didn’t want Parsons. He was a locker room hazard. I don’t know, and I’m sure you don’t either. I’m still standing by. I don’t believe their puppets.. The game is played on the field and I don’t see Jerry down there telling them what to do. I do see him playing GM this is your team work with it. And that’s most organizations. The problem is we don’t have a real GM.
 
Gangsta Spanksta said:
That's what people said about puppet #2. Honestly, it is hard to judge how good coaches can be, when they allow themselves to be puppets. But I don't buy into all the culture thing, they were spewing at the beginning of the season. All you got to do is see what fans were complaining about online, you find culture, and then if you want to give the fans some lip service you talk the talk. At the end of the day, we still seem like we are about to miss the playoffs, so I'm not overly impressed with what the coaching staff has done to walk the walk.
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If the culture is so great, why is Parsons gone? Why did CeeDee and Pickens go out on the town in Vegas when they knew it was against the rules? Why is Diggs behaving like a child? In a good culture people don't step out of line. They will want to keep the cohesion and chemistry in place.

The whole 'culture' thing is really nothing more than talk. Someone on the team, maybe even Jerry, kept reading about bad culture in the media and decided that was the route they were going to go this season, the selling point, in order to fool the minions and keep them in line. And it has worked for the most part. How may times have we read here on CZ since April about the culture and how much they believe it has improved? Those people are the ones Jerry considers 'sucked'. Those are the people who start making super bowl chants, MVP proclamations, and calling their new HC elite after every win, even though the team still sucks and has a bad record.

Like you, I'm also not impressed with Schotty. All he has done is roll with a tag line (culture), and he was probably ordered to go that route by Jerry.
 
Whirlwin said:
Possibly and I’m just saying possibly the coach didn’t want Parsons. He was a locker room hazard. I don’t know, and I’m sure you don’t either. I’m still standing by. I don’t believe their puppets.. The game is played on the field and I don’t see Jerry down there telling them what to do. I do see him playing GM this is your team work with it. And that’s most organizations. The problem is we don’t have a real GM.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/why-was-jerry-jones-on-sideline-talking-to-garrett-0ap3000000419208

This is the infamous game where Jerry was seen on the sideline mid game ordering Garrett to put Romo back in the game. Jerry denied doing it, of course, but guess what? Romo went back in the game that day.
 
acr731 said:
Dallas is averaging 29.3 points a game this season, but to say it's the best offense in 'decades' is not true. In 2023 they averaged 30.1 ppg, and 30.4 ppg in 2021.

Lets dig a little deeper and look at yards per game. Right now Dallas leads the NFL with an average of 394.9 ypg. But is it the best production in decades? 2021 - 401.4 ypg; 2019 - 431.5.

Both of these stats were researched back to 2003.

It's fine that you are on Team Schotty, and while this seasons offense has been good for the most part, right now it is actually in 3rd place behind better offenses. Coincidentally, while I was looking through the stats it was clear the worst offenses were during the Garrett years, and it was his 'offensive prowess' that Jerry loved so much.
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I realize we’ve have better years offensively. Like Dak just two years ago when he was runner up for mvp etc. My point was the motion Schotty uses. Dak’s under center more as well. Play action. JG and even Mike started getting stale and we looked like Philly’s offense with no movement and just beat your man philosophy.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
Our 3 most recent coaches, they all have different coaching styles of course, 2 of them may have been here longer than expected. I know it's too early to judge Shotty maybe a bit unfair, but I think he's done some things that other coaches wouldn't have especially when it comes to holding players accountable.

With that said, who do you like most, and why?

Garrett- The Clapper

Big Mike- Mo jo moments

Shotty- Culture!!!
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None of the above,
Give me Jimmy
 
DandyDon52 said:
I think mike had Parsons for all 3 of his successful years.
Shotty had him ............for TC lol
Take parsons out of the equation and mike would not have had those 3 12 - 5 years.
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I'm not 100% sure of that,

I mean it's nice to have a player like that, but one player doesn't change things,

Myles Garrett is a perfect example, he's been on a bad team forever, he's the best defensive player in the league right now, and even when he's had games with 3-5 SACKS, they've given up 30 points and LOST, when the rest of your defense is shaky, it affects the team, like I said right now if he had him, I don't know that it changes much, because I know this we wouldn't have then been able to fix our interior defensive line, and have more draft picks, and money for the rest of the team,

but it's also the opposite of that as well, I mean he wasn't the only reason we were winning, I mean literally that whole defense was better and the coordinator was aggressive, that was his thing Dan Quinn used his roster to create a defense ,not the other way around, right now Matt Eberpoo doesn't do that, doesn't want to do it, doesn't know how to do it ,

I mean think about the Eagles their strengths up front maybe even their front 7 but people know you can pick on their back end I don't care what they try to sell you about these players they had last year and the young players they're still vulnerable in the middle of the field and over the top that's what teams will do and they can get beat that way you don't have to run right at them you don't have to run right into their strengths you find the weakness on their team and they have less of those than we do but I'm just pointing out you you can't always be solid and strong in every area.. You just have to try to be strong in most areas and hopefully you can cover up your weaknesses and the Cowboys can't they're not a parsons away from being better this year..

Teams would know right where to go to beat us just like they did when he was here in the bigger games and the better teams literally knew how to counter Parsons...

I don't know,

but Matts D he's not creating anything but a mess because he wants to run some passive zone ,that doesn't work for this team, he's hardly aggressive and a lot of those sacks and turnovers come from being really aggressive up front, bringing blitzes from everywhere stunts, twists ,all that stuff ,is not being done, not on a regular basis, not enough by this current DC ,

so, it's hard to judge all this it's just a mess right now..


I mean think about,

this and I know Parsons was in and out of the lineup and there was a lot of injuries last year the Cowboys had a failed year last year and the defense was pretty much in the bottom five all year with or without him as much as he can affect a defense..


he can't do it all and they can create offenses to avoid Parsons a player like him, if that's all you have that if you can even slow him down or even if you allow him to be him, they can attack the rest of your weaknesses on defense, and still win games,

We saw it last year, even though Mike Zimme,r got the team more aggressive more sacks more turnovers, it wasn't equating in the wins or even low scores.



I don't think there's enough data to support having one of your best defensive ends in the league we've seen it with TJ Watt, Myles Garrett ,and others that have absolutely dominated games in the NFL, and still lose it's still A team game and there's still a lot of problems throughout the entire defense ..

that I don't know if Parsons changes anything this year, other than makes the viewing more entertaining, meaning yes at least we have a player that can affect a game or make a big sack or a play ,but I don't know that he changes the outcomes ,not by himself, because they would just run up the middle, They would still work the opposite edge, and we've seen it with him in the game, I mean he was on that 2023 collapse against the Packers in the playoffs, but he was also on the Packers defense and the cowboys put up forty on him we should have won that game, had it not been for a faulty clock operator...lol

Either way,

there's a lot of viewpoints,

i'm just not buying the fact that if you have one of the best defenders it automatically makes you a better team, I mean this year the issue in the offseason was they really truly thought he was going to be back the decisions they made in the draft and in free agency letting players go like Tank Lewis Golston and others, we're assuming that you had Parsons, and now you let them all go and now you have a much bigger hole than anticipated.

You still have to have a better supporting cast around him, it's no different than the offense, prescott can't do it alone, I mean it's great to have him but here we are at 500 one of the best offenses in the league, But the teams will lose ,if they don't have enough talent around the quarterback or around what you might want to call the quarterback of your defense, if that's your war daddy, is say Parsons or Miles Garrett, it doesn't change most of the scoreboards, it just Moves around your issues.

Now,

I get long winded in the morning,

but I look at this as a great analogy,

you know a whole premise ,when you're struggling financially, especially when you're younger, and when you have all these credit cards that were maxed out, and then you get new credit cards, and you would use those credit card checks ,just to make sure you're making minimum payments on all your other credit cards ,and you're just keeping your head above water,

well, that's what you're doing, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul as my late dad used to say,

we lost a strong part of our defense, but we gained a new strong part of our defense, but either way it wasn't going to change the entire outcomes of games... It just moved around our weaknesses or our strengths but it needed more than that and I think that's what the steps were for Parsons and I don't think it was just the 12 wins was because of Parsons It was also the defensive coordinator tank and having players in their prime like digs and bland playing better having guys like Kearse, Hooker dono etc all playing well in that defense.


Do you remember even then we were getting beat in the playoffs, because they knew how to beat our weakness by going away from our strength to those teams and right now Dan Quinn's doing it again in Washington ,he had a strong year last year but ,he couldn't hide the fact that he was going to have another Green Bay meltdown, this time it was against the Eagles in the championship game ,but he had a lot of games like that ,

WITH PARSONS, TANK, LEWIS ,PRIME DIGGS, BLAND, ARMSTRONG, FOWLER, GOLSTON etc, , but you can win 12 games in a regular season you have the right mix but not just one great player. Don't forget how many good players that Dan Quinn had and lost the Cowboys lost over the last two seasons that is why our defense looks like it does along with the fact that Matt EberPOO has a terrible Scheme for this team...

This Cowboys defense is horrible at many levels many players away, Parsons or a player like him was not going to fix that not this season because we haven't really had an offseason to try to counter that big loss, and we'll do that this offseason....

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We don't need a HC whose style it is to be a pal to his players.

We already have Jerry for that.
 
Garrett had one losing season and brought a ton of professionalism to the organization.
 
I would say Mike was the best Xs and Os coach. Obviously he has had the best teams and seasons of the group.

Schottenheimers grade is on progress. He's been better than feared so far.

I know people like to rip on Garrett. But the notion that he was a poasibly great GM LARPing as a decent but inspectacular vhead coach isn't wrong. Unnder Garrett, the team stopped being about Jerry's whims and started having an idea and a plan and a profile for the type of players we wanted. He also knew how to get Jerry to buy in.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
Our 3 most recent coaches, they all have different coaching styles of course, 2 of them may have been here longer than expected. I know it's too early to judge Shotty maybe a bit unfair, but I think he's done some things that other coaches wouldn't have especially when it comes to holding players accountable.

With that said, who do you like most, and why?

Garrett- The Clapper

Big Mike- Mo jo moments

Shotty- Culture!!!
Click to expand...
Garrett.

Everything that is said about us now (and is not true anymore):

- we draft very good
- we have a great OL
- build thru the draft

Was implemented by him and under him. That was part of his "process". He changed the philosophy of this franchise. And he was very good at that. He established a new culture that was badly needed after the years with bum cupcake. He established it, didnt only talk to the media about it like Schotty because it sounds good.

He was never a good football OC and i understand people who dont like his way or his soulless approach to the game. I didnt like it either. And i cant stand him as a moderator.

But i like the way he assembled coaching and scouting talent around him. Just the way a management guy should do. Again he should have never taken over calling duties. He should have stayed in the background managing the team. He was great at that and whats more he had the standing with the Joneses to do so.

Overall he had the most professional approach that i saw in Dallas for a long time.



-Mike was just at the end if his career and wanted to collect another paycheck. He wasnt really into the sport anymore. But was lucky to find a dumb enough owner he could bewitch with his fairytale of statistical value. Funny as Jones only talent is to bewitch us all. Seems kind of fitting to me.

- Schotty is what he is: the dregs, the sediment of coaching. But this franchise does not have the standing anymore to get better coaches.
 
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Coogiguy03 said:
Our 3 most recent coaches, they all have different coaching styles of course, 2 of them may have been here longer than expected. I know it's too early to judge Shotty maybe a bit unfair, but I think he's done some things that other coaches wouldn't have especially when it comes to holding players accountable.

With that said, who do you like most, and why?

Garrett- The Clapper

Big Mike- Mo jo moments

Shotty- Culture!!!
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Coogs of those three, I would have to say McCarthy is the best overall coach of those 3, although I think Big Mac was here a year too long. And (as @Reality stated earlier) Mac had a serious lack of attention to details which killed us in the playoffs.

Garrett…his greatest asset as a HC was he and his family were close to the Jones family. The fact that he was here an entire decade could be used as evidence of malpractice by our owner/GM. Garrett can’t get hired anywhere as a HC since he left here.

Schotty…the jury is still out. It’s hard not to think there’s a reason why 31 other teams were not interested in him as a HC. Although he says the right things and does show some emotion that his two predecessors didn’t, he doesn’t (yet) have that command of the room his father had.

IMO, only 2 of the 9 HCs Jerry Jones has hired in his 36 years here would I consider being outstanding NFL head coaches: Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells. The other 7 were just guys JJ “felt comfortable” to hire.

Comfortable hires give you the results we’ve had the last 3 decades.
 
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