Should Chuck Howley be in the HOF

[DallasEast]

And on the 8th day, our father made the Cowboys in his image.
Stop it, you big lug, you make me shed a tear of gratatude.

You remind me so much of Penny's ex-boyfriend Zack, it's crazy.

 

[jobberone]

I don't believe there's any Cowboy bias amongst the HOF voters because if there were Irvin would still be on the outside looking in. Only Cowboy fans liked Irvin back in the day who's on the field personality and off the field issues rubbed opposing fans and some in the media the wrong way.

I couldn't disagree more. In fact, if I remember correctly, some voters have said so.

 

[jobberone]

Yeth but not so much about Howley as you.

Speak for yourself and not me, ok.

 

[KJJ]

of co
of course there is cowboys bias; same where there is pro steeler bias; several of those players do not deserve to be in the HOF. Frankly Swann does not and Stalworth is questionable. Bradshaw should not be in.

Look how long it took to get Rayfield Wright in the HOF


you look at the all 60's and all 70's teams and Who is NOT in the HOF from those teams? Three guesses which team they are from

The only bias is on FAN boards like this and you're one of the most biased Cowboy FANS here. You're not going to find much objectivity on FAN sites. According to some FANS here players like Bill Bates should be in the HOF. There's no pro Steeler bias they won 4 SB's and won back to back SB's twice. No other team during the SB era dominated a decade like the Steelers did during the 70's and they had to compete against some great Cowboy teams. Swann and Stallworth are only questionable HOF inductees based on their regular season stats but they combined for 6 SB TD's that contributed to 3 of the Steelers 4 SB wins. Let's see if you can take off your homer cap for a second and be objective.

You claim Bradshaw should not be in the HOF so if he shouldn't be in the HOF should Troy Aikman be in the HOF? Both players are in the HOF due to leading dynasties to multiple SB wins. Aikman certainly didn't get voted into the HOF based on his career numbers he got there because he led the Cowboys to 3 SB wins. Bradshaw not only led the Steelers to 4 SB wins but tossed 9 TD passes in the process and the most productive game of his career was vs the Cowboys in SB XIII. He made some very clutch TD throws in the closing minutes of both SB's vs the Cowboys and deserves to be in the HOF with 4 championship rings.

 

[KJJ]

I couldn't disagree more. In fact, if I remember correctly, some voters have said so.

If there's a Cowboy bias amongst HOF voters than how come 10 Cowboy players have been voted in not including Deion? If there was a Cowboys bias there's plenty of reasons they would have kept Irvin out. They could have kept Aikman out with his less than stellar career numbers if there was truly a bias against the Cowboys.

 

[DallasEast]

Perhaps Jaime Aron, author of Dallas Cowboys: The Complete Illustrated History said it best:

As for the initial question about whether or not there is an anti-Cowboys bias, just remember this: Pearson, Martin, Harris, and Ralph Neely were all voted to the All-Decade Team by the same voters who decide on Hall of Fame induction. Those players were among the best of their era, but apparently voters changed their opinions once those players' careers were done.

 

[KJJ]

Look how long it took to get Rayfield Wright in the HOF

Look how long it took for Wright to be inducted into the Cowboys ROH. He retired from the Cowboys in 1979 which gave the Landry/Shramm regime 9 years to add him to the ROH and they didn't. Wright didn't get added to the ROH until 2004 so why did that take so long? The fact is he was elected to the HOF in 2006 only 2 years after being added to the Cowboys ROH. If there was a bias amongst HOF voters against the Cowboys none of their players would be getting in.

 

[percyhoward]

Of course, we homers will say he be HOF material.

Of course it's his credentials
--not somebody's opinion--that matter.

 

[KJJ]

I hear he was better than Lee Roy Jordan and the rest, so I'll say yes, but that's based on other's opinions.

You heard right because the Landry/Shramm regime added Howley to the ROH in 1977 and never added Jordan. Jordan who began his Cowboys career in 1963 only 2 years after Howley wasn't added to the ROH until 89 when Jerry took over.

 

[burmafrd]

The only bias is on FAN boards like this and you're one of the most biased Cowboy FANS here. You're not going to find much objectivity on FAN sites. According to some FANS here players like Bill Bates should be in the HOF. There's no pro Steeler bias they won 4 SB's and won back to back SB's twice. No other team during the SB era dominated a decade like the Steelers did during the 70's and they had to compete against some great Cowboy teams. Swann and Stallworth are only questionable HOF inductees based on their regular season stats but they combined for 6 SB TD's that contributed to 3 of the Steelers 4 SB wins. Let's see if you can take off your homer cap for a second and be objective.

You claim Bradshaw should not be in the HOF so if he shouldn't be in the HOF should Troy Aikman be in the HOF? Both players are in the HOF due to leading dynasties to multiple SB wins. Aikman certainly didn't get voted into the HOF based on his career numbers he got there because he led the Cowboys to 3 SB wins. Bradshaw not only led the Steelers to 4 SB wins but tossed 9 TD passes in the process and the most productive game of his career was vs the Cowboys in SB XIII. He made some very clutch TD throws in the closing minutes of both SB's vs the Cowboys and deserves to be in the HOF with 4 championship rings.

Good god. Bradshaw was bailed out time and again by his WRs making career catches. Like Eli and his helmet play.
I think you are a squeler fan in disguise. Know you cannot rate QBs due to your Romo hate.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

It really is truly ridiculous that Robinson would be in but not Howley. Howley was 1st team All-Pro 5 years in a row. He should have been able to stop playing right then and just walk in to the HOF with his pads and helmet on and everything.

 

[Fletch]

I'm creating a poll here and also here http://polldaddy.com/poll/8161429/

Chuck was a phenomenal athlete and the only athlete ever at WV to letter in 5 sports. He was drafted by the Bears after playing OL at WV. He was released after two years because of a knee injury he was told was career ending.

Landry had the genius to trade for the guy. How the heck he thought he was worth a 2nd rounder I'll never know but danged if it wasn't a steal.

He played the Sam for two years then moved to the Will when Dave Edwards (who doesn't get enough credit either) was put at the Sam. Howley's career took off. He was a tremendous athlete with true 4.5-4.6 speed who was a great coverage linebacker. He had 5 INTs one year (and I think perhaps another). Jordan, Edwards and Howley were perhaps the greatest trio of 4-3 LBers ever (with no apologies to the Steelers of that time). He intercepted two passes in SB V and another in SB VI. He was SB MVP of V and maybe should have won it in VI.

It's a shame he and Jordan don't get the credit they deserve. IMO, Howley was one of the greatest players to ever wear the star.

If the Squeelers can have multiple backups as HOFers, then yes, Howley should most definitely be in the Hall! Nuff said.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Of course it's his credentials
--not somebody's opinion--that matter.

i will keep that in mind when I read your posts.

 

[Doomsday101]

Howley MVP game

 

[KJJ]

Good god. Bradshaw was bailed out time and again by his WRs making career catches. Like Eli and his helmet play.
I think you are a squeler fan in disguise. Know you cannot rate QBs due to your Romo hate.

Typical FAN response. LOL I knew you couldn't take off your homer cap for a second and be objective. It was great throws by Bradshaw and some great catches by his receivers in some very clutch situations which is another reason they're all in the HOF. Only Cowboy FANS don't think Bradshaw should be in the HOF. You didn't answer the question if you don't think Bradshaw was HOF worthy how about Troy Aikman? He's in the HOF for the same reason Bradshaw is for leading a dynasty to multiple SB wins. It's really not that hard to be objective you should try it sometime.

 

[KJJ]

Good god. Bradshaw was bailed out time and again by his WRs making career catches. Like Eli and his helmet play.

The only play Bradshaw was ever involved in that was anything like Eli and the helmet play was the immaculate reception. I don't recall some of the strikes to Swann and Stallworth in the SB's being anything like the Eli to Tyree play but I'm an objective fan and you're clearly not.

 

[KJJ]

I think you are a squeler fan in disguise. Know you cannot rate QBs due to your Romo hate.

Comments like that show the agenda you have. By the way lucky you deleted that other post before I had a chance to respond. You must have realized that a teams ROH and the HOF go hand in hand. No one knows a player and how great their contributions were like the organization that drafted them.

 

[KJJ]

It really is truly ridiculous that Robinson would be in but not Howley. Howley was 1st team All-Pro 5 years in a row. He should have been able to stop playing right then and just walk in to the HOF with his pads and helmet on and everything.

Robinson had slightly better stats and played for the better team that beat the Cowboys in 2 championship games. The HOF voters had to decide between the two because they weren't both going to get in on the same ballot. Hopefully that wasn't Howley's last shot.

 

[DallasEast]

You heard right because the Landry/Shramm regime added Howley to the ROH in 1977 and never added Jordan. Jordan who began his Cowboys career in 1963 only 2 years after Howley wasn't added to the ROH until 89 when Jerry took over.

Why am I being quoted with erod's comment, which was made in post number five?

 

[5Stars]

Why am I being quoted with erod's comment, which was made in post number five?

Consider the source...lol