Twitter: Should NFL consider draft lottery?

Then how are they supposed to get better to compete. Are you saying give the SB winner better picks as their reward.
Soon you will have a league of 2 teams.

Not that either.

But in football, you don't need a top five pick to build a contender. There are pro bowlers all over the draft. I just don't think drafting position should be determined by Robin Hood.
 
Cleveland drafts top five every year, and it doesn't help them.

The nice part of this is, it doesn't take top five picks to build a contender like it does in the NBA. I just want every team playing all out every game to the final whistle, and this system doesn't encourage that.

This is true but I'm not sure the a lottery would help that. I think the NFL is trying to get that done by forcing teams to spend but a lot of the problem is also FA IMO. Because players seem to move so often and so easily, lots of players play only in contract years. That whole, "It's a business" thought process has killed a lot of the playing hard at all times thing IMO.
 
well the real question is, are they considering it or is this someone looking for a nugget to type up and get some attention?
 
I am not a big fan of the NBA version of the lottery...I am a Sixer fan (feel bad for me)...if there was no lottery, they would get the #2 and #9 pick (I believe)...but, 3 teams could potentially jump ahead of them this year and they could get the #5 pick....of course, there is a possibility that either of their top 10 picks could jump into #1 as well...BUT, if the #9 pick that they have (from a trade) turns out to be a top 3 pick, they don't get it...poor system for the worst teams, great system for all the others

They actually have the #3 and #10 pick this year so one spot lower in each of their picks if they were going off of record. Still, they will get some nice players.

On a side note, how did you get to be a Cowboy fan and a 76er fan?
 
Ahhh, this could be fun.

The NFL could add a "Losers Tournament" to go along side the Playoffs.
Teams with the top four losing records could play to win the the #1 overall pick.

Sounds cheesy, but hey, money is money.
 
well the real question is, are they considering it or is this someone looking for a nugget to type up and get some attention?

Article deadline, and the NBA draft lottery was on...it sparked an idea...but in this case that spark fizzles out....
 
No. It pays to field a sorry team.

I don't know if it's a great idea for the NFL, but what you've described is kind of the opposite of what the lottery system does. The lottery reduces the incentive to tank the season for a top draft pick, because instead of the worst team having a 100% chance of drafting first overall, they'd only have a 25% chance (or whatever, depending on the exact rules). And improving from last-place to second-to-last would only reduce the team's chances of drafting first overall by about 5%, instead of giving them no chance whatsoever. Compared to the NFL system, a lottery would do a better job of encouraging sorry teams to try and win games instead of punishing them for it, which is Tucker's point.

However, there are a number of reasons it makes less sense for the NFL than for the NBA, which have nothing to do with your complaint:

(1) NBA teams field 5 starters and around 12 total players, so a single star player represents a far greater proportion of a team's total roster than in any other major sport. You can even build an entire fairly successful franchise around just one player, even if his teammates aren't that good (see LeBron in Cleveland). That makes the top couple of picks extremely valuable, because that one guy -- if he's the right guy -- can make a world of difference. In the NFL, the rosters are more than four times larger, and a single player can almost never carry an entire team on his back, even if he's an all-time great. There's just not a way to turn your franchise completely around by landing the top pick in the NFL draft the way there sometimes is in the NBA.

(2) Similarly, the NFL draft is far far deeper with potential starters than the NBA draft. In the NBA, landing an immediate starter with a pick outside the top 10 or 12 slots, or landing an immediate star outside the top 3 or 4, is very rare. In the NFL, even if you miss out on the top couple of picks you can usually get an immediate starter with any pick in the top 2 or 3 rounds, which means teams are nowhere near as desperate to get into the very top of the first round as they are in the NBA.

(3) The NBA season is much longer than the NFL season, so bad teams play quite a lot of games after they've already been eliminated from playoff contention and have nothing else to play for. With the NFL season being only 16 games long, and with key divisional matchups deliberately reserved for the end of the year, most teams will at least have a chance to still make the playoffs until much later in the year.

(4) Football is a much bigger draw than basketball right now, such that even lousy NFL teams can usually fill 80% of the seats in a stadium fairly well -- whereas bottom-dwelling NBA teams are often playing in front of half-full arenas. TV viewership follows a similar pattern. That means that even if an NFL team is "tanking," they're still making a decent amount of money for the league. In the NBA, it hurts business a lot more when you stop trying to win, which means it's more in the league's interest to reduce incentives for losing.

In short, the lottery makes sense for the NBA because the incentive to lose is far more powerful, and far more harmful to business, than in the NFL. For its part, the NFL could probably reduce the "suck for Luck" factor by implementing a similar system, but they probably (and justifiably) don't see that as a big problem right now. And since the NFL Draft is already a huge revenue generator, why fix what doesn't seem to be broken?
 
I don't know if it's a great idea for the NFL, but what you've described is kind of the opposite of what the lottery system does. The lottery reduces the incentive to tank the season for a top draft pick, because instead of the worst team having a 100% chance of drafting first overall, they'd only have a 25% chance (or whatever, depending on the exact rules). And improving from last-place to second-to-last would only reduce the team's chances of drafting first overall by about 5%, instead of giving them no chance whatsoever. Compared to the NFL system, a lottery would do a better job of encouraging sorry teams to try and win games instead of punishing them for it, which is Tucker's point.

However, there are a number of reasons it makes less sense for the NFL than for the NBA, which have nothing to do with your complaint:

(1) NBA teams field 5 starters and around 12 total players, so a single star player represents a far greater proportion of a team's total roster than in any other major sport. You can even build an entire fairly successful franchise around just one player, even if his teammates aren't that good (see LeBron in Cleveland). That makes the top couple of picks extremely valuable, because that one guy -- if he's the right guy -- can make a world of difference. In the NFL, the rosters are more than four times larger, and a single player can almost never carry an entire team on his back, even if he's an all-time great. There's just not a way to turn your franchise completely around by landing the top pick in the NFL draft the way there sometimes is in the NBA.

(2) Similarly, the NFL draft is far far deeper with potential starters than the NBA draft. In the NBA, landing an immediate starter with a pick outside the top 10 or 12 slots, or landing an immediate star outside the top 3 or 4, is very rare. In the NFL, even if you miss out on the top couple of picks you can usually get an immediate starter with any pick in the top 2 or 3 rounds, which means teams are nowhere near as desperate to get into the very top of the first round as they are in the NBA.

(3) The NBA season is much longer than the NFL season, so bad teams play quite a lot of games after they've already been eliminated from playoff contention and have nothing else to play for. With the NFL season being only 16 games long, and with key divisional matchups deliberately reserved for the end of the year, most teams will at least have a chance to still make the playoffs until much later in the year.

(4) Football is a much bigger draw than basketball right now, such that even lousy NFL teams can usually fill 80% of the seats in a stadium fairly well -- whereas bottom-dwelling NBA teams are often playing in front of half-full arenas. TV viewership follows a similar pattern. That means that even if an NFL team is "tanking," they're still making a decent amount of money for the league. In the NBA, it hurts business a lot more when you stop trying to win, which means it's more in the league's interest to reduce incentives for losing.

In short, the lottery makes sense for the NBA because the incentive to lose is far more powerful, and far more harmful to business, than in the NFL. For its part, the NFL could probably reduce the "suck for Luck" factor by implementing a similar system, but they probably (and justifiably) don't see that as a big problem right now. And since the NFL Draft is already a huge revenue generator, why fix what doesn't seem to be broken?

I love the the reply above, but still like the idea of some weighted draft and associated lottery. I think even if you win the super bowl you should have an opportunity in the first round to pick higher. Why be penalized for being a better team and better run organization. So in my opinion all 32 teams should have a chance of getting the first pick of the draft and be reslotted just by a lottery. The 2-7 rounds can be however you want them. It won't happen, but imagine the joy of being a 12-4 team that just needs a good pass rusher or WR, or a 8-8 team that may need a QB....you could keep the pick or trade it and move back.
 
Well, if we continue to be a 500 team, it won't really matter. We are stuck in the middle either way so.........................


LOL....... Here is to either getting much worse or getting much better!
 
I like the idea a lot. All non-playoff teams should get re-ordered by lottery balls. It might help a team like Dallas that tries for the playoffs every year instead of tanking. It incentivies trying to win, which is why you play the game. And it would end all those stupid threads about hoping to lose games late in the year to get a better draft spot.
 
They actually have the #3 and #10 pick this year so one spot lower in each of their picks if they were going off of record. Still, they will get some nice players.

On a side note, how did you get to be a Cowboy fan and a 76er fan?

I was born in Syracuse, NY, moved to NE Penna, and started liking all of the philly teams except in football (HUGE Phillies fan, 76ers, flyers)...I was a Bills fan in football (OJ Simpson was the best player in the league, I was young, etc.)...then, while in PA, I watched a game on TV where Staubach took a beatun (spelled correctly), and then came back in the 2nd half to win...been a Cowboys fan ever since
 
I was born in Syracuse, NY, moved to NE Penna, and started liking all of the philly teams except in football (HUGE Phillies fan, 76ers, flyers)...I was a Bills fan in football (OJ Simpson was the best player in the league, I was young, etc.)...then, while in PA, I watched a game on TV where Staubach took a beatun (spelled correctly), and then came back in the 2nd half to win...been a Cowboys fan ever since

Was just wondering because of the obvious Philly/Dallas history.

Doesn't matter how you got here Fredd. As long as you are here now. ;-)
 
Was just wondering because of the obvious Philly/Dallas history.

Doesn't matter how you got here Fredd. As long as you are here now. ;-)

here to stay...over 40 years watching them and counting
 
The Draft is not really all that big a deal for the NBA. I am not really sure that it would create a lot more revenue for the NFL. Hard to say.

Part of why it is not such a big deal is that NBA veterans are valued to their franchises more than NFL veterans to theirs. On draft day you are going to see much more wheeling and dealing, sign and trade, and draft and trade scenarios happen. A 30 year old player in the NFL at most positions a club is looking to dump that guy. In the NBA you might trade a first round pick for him.
 
Ahhh, this could be fun.

The NFL could add a "Losers Tournament" to go along side the Playoffs.
Teams with the top four losing records could play to win the the #1 overall pick.

Sounds cheesy, but hey, money is money.

Thats not bad actually. You would end up getting some 8-8 teams the #1 pick, LOL.
 
The night before the NFL's inaugural draft lottery...

Operator: 9-1-1. What is the emergency?
Caller: We had a break-in.
Operator: Is the burglar still there?
Caller: No. We chased him out.
Operator: Was anything taken?
Caller: No. The equipment is still here.
Operator: What type of equipment?
Caller: Lottery equipment. Look, can someone get here soon? We got a glimpse of the guy, along with part of a license plate.
Operator: Yes sir. A patrol car is on the way. Can you describe the intruder?
Caller: Not well. It was dark and he was wearing a hoodie.
Operator: How about the license plate?
Caller: It was a Massachusetts plate, but the only thing I saw before he drove away were the letters "P-A-T." That's all I saw.
Operator: That's fine sir. The officer should be pulling up at your location now.
 

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