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Both, Dez Bryant and Terrence Williams have the dreaded high ankle sprain.

Brian Price, DT, was seen on crutches and talk of knee inury.

Tyrone Smith has a groin strain. As does WR4, Brown...someone tell Miles Austin to not get caught standing any where near the sidelines now...
 

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Both, Dez Bryant and Terrence Williams have the dreaded high ankle sprain.

Brian Price, DT, was seen on crutches and talk of knee inury.

Tyrone Smith has a groin strain. As does WR4, Brown...someone tell Miles Austin to not get caught standing any where near the sidelines now...

The high ankle sprains have been confirmed?
 

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Both, Dez Bryant and Terrence Williams have the dreaded high ankle sprain.

Brian Price, DT, was seen on crutches and talk of knee inury.

Tyrone Smith has a groin strain. As does WR4, Brown...someone tell Miles Austin to not get caught standing any where near the sidelines now...
Is it actually high ankle sprains or the less serious normal ankle sprain?
Big difference in time off for those 2.
 

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Stephen Jones indicated that Price is likely out for the year.
 

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The next game is HUGE, because it is an NFC game against a very beatable opponent

We need it
 

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I'm going to go all silver lining here and be stoked that its Tyron's groin and not back...
 

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The high ankle sprains have been confirmed?

Haven’t heard that.

Actually heard Dez’s is minor which would not usually be the case with a high ankle sprain. Williams seemed to imply that it’s something he has dealt with all season.
 

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Both, Dez Bryant and Terrence Williams have the dreaded high ankle sprain.

Brian Price, DT, was seen on crutches and talk of knee inury.

Tyrone Smith has a groin strain. As does WR4, Brown...someone tell Miles Austin to not get caught standing any where near the sidelines now...
the sick, lame, and lazy term you used....is that something you made up? i ask because when i was in the military in the 80's, thats what you were called or labeled when you went to sick bay....just wondering.
 

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The high ankle sprains have been confirmed?

Garrett said Dez' was a sprain, anyway. Williams didn't look hobbled leaving the game, fwiw.

Here's what Dez had to say about his: “Extremely blessed it ain’t nothing bad. Everything is stable. My ankle is stable. Just going to be sore. As the week progresses, I’ll get better.”

I think they'll both play. Zeke's the one I think we're without.
 

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Price is done for the year
Dez and Williams should be fine
Smith is a concern for sure
 

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Garrett said Dez' was a sprain, anyway. Williams didn't look hobbled leaving the game, fwiw.

Here's what Dez had to say about his: “Extremely blessed it ain’t nothing bad. Everything is stable. My ankle is stable. Just going to be sore. As the week progresses, I’ll get better.”

I think they'll both play. Zeke's the one I think we're without.

I hope your wrong about Zeke. If you are wrong, I am going to get my hopes up for a positive outcome for the case. Which I had from the beginning until Falia.....
 

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Price is done for the year
Dez and Williams should be fine
Smith is a concern for sure

If Smith can play, I would not start him. I would try to go with Green and see how long of a break I could give Smith. 1 game, 2 games, 3 games, whatever I could get and still win, I would do.
 

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I hope your wrong about Zeke. If you are wrong, I am going to get my hopes up for a positive outcome for the case. Which I had from the beginning until Falia.....

I did, too, until Falia. Listening to Wallach on Talking Cowboys on Friday was pretty sobering, though. Having to win all the arguments of fundamental unfairness, irreparable harm, and whatever the third leg of the stool was (I'm forgetting), after Falia concluded they lost 3 out of 3....that's a tall order. The irreparable harm decision is a no-brainer, because Falia overreached obviously and badly there. Fundamental fairness is a toss-up, given the strength of the CBA powers. But going 3-3 right after going 0-3 with the same team and same arguments seems pretty unlikely to me. I get it that it's a crap shoot with the selection of judges, but it just seems like a really big swing to count on.
 

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If Smith can play, I would not start him. I would try to go with Green and see how long of a break I could give Smith. 1 game, 2 games, 3 games, whatever I could get and still win, I would do.
I agree if there is any chance of making injury worse, sure might help the back issues too getting a week off
 

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I did, too, until Falia. Listening to Wallach on Talking Cowboys on Friday was pretty sobering, though. Having to win all the arguments of fundamental unfairness, irreparable harm, and whatever the third leg of the stool was (I'm forgetting), after Falia concluded they lost 3 out of 3....that's a tall order. The irreparable harm decision is a no-brainer, because Falia overreached obviously and badly there. Fundamental fairness is a toss-up, given the strength of the CBA powers. But going 3-3 right after going 0-3 with the same team and same arguments seems pretty unlikely to me. I get it that it's a crap shoot with the selection of judges, but it just seems like a really big swing to count on.

In order to secure the preliminary injunction, Zeke must show: (i) irreparable harm; (ii) either (a) a likelihood of success on the merits, or (b) sufficiently serious questions going to the merits of his claim to make them fair ground for litigation, plus a balance of the hardships tipping decidedly in favor of the moving party; and (iii) that a preliminary injunction is in the public interest.

As you suggest, Failla completely dropped the ball on irreparable harm. Every court other than hers had previously found irreparable harm in similar circumstances (for example, the Brady case).

But I think she was only slightly less sloppy on [ii] and [iii]. Brady II clearly left open the possibility that the fundamental fairness standard of review should apply to arbitration rulings under the LMRA (which is applicable to this case). Failla attempted to debunk that notion in her reasons, but the fact remains that it is a "sufficiently serious question going to the merits" of Zeke's claim to make it fair ground for litigation. And it's not the sort of question that Failla should have tried to address outside of the actual litigation and as part of a mere motion for a PI, based on limited submissions and oral argument (in fact, that was irresponsible of her, I think most lawyers would agree). Based on this, and the fact that the balance of hardships tips decidedly in Zeke's favor (Failla found otherwise only because she rejected Zeke's irreparable harm argument), I think branch [ii] of the test can be satisfied.

Public interest arguments are always a bit loosey-goosey, so I guess branch [iii] could go either way, but again, these sorts of PIs are habitually granted in similar cases (including Brady) so I assume Zeke will rely on the same sorts of arguments that have held sway with courts in the past.

All to say that I don't think the challenge confronting Zeke is nearly as daunting as Wallach may have suggested.
 

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In order to secure the preliminary injunction, Zeke must show: (i) irreparable harm; (ii) either (a) a likelihood of success on the merits, or (b) sufficiently serious questions going to the merits of his claim to make them fair ground for litigation, plus a balance of the hardships tipping decidedly in favor of the moving party; and (iii) that a preliminary injunction is in the public interest.

As you suggest, Failla completely dropped the ball on irreparable harm. Every court other than hers had previously found irreparable harm in similar circumstances (for example, the Brady case).

But I think she was only slightly less sloppy on [ii] and [iii]. Brady II clearly left open the possibility that the fundamental fairness standard of review should apply to arbitration rulings under the LMRA (which is applicable to this case). Failla attempted to debunk that notion in her reasons, but the fact remains that it is a "sufficiently serious question going to the merits" of Zeke's claim to make it fair ground for litigation. And it's not the sort of question that Failla should have tried to address outside of the actual litigation and as part of a mere motion for a PI, based on limited submissions and oral argument (in fact, that was irresponsible of her, I think most lawyers would agree). Based on this, and the fact that the balance of hardships tips decidedly in Zeke's favor (Failla found otherwise only because she rejected Zeke's irreparable harm argument), I think branch [ii] of the test can be satisfied.

Public interest arguments are always a bit loosey-goosey, so I guess branch [iii] could go either way, but again, these sorts of PIs are habitually granted in similar cases (including Brady) so I assume Zeke will rely on the same sorts of arguments that have held sway with courts in the past.

All to say that I don't think the challenge confronting Zeke is nearly as daunting as Wallach may have suggested.

Great stuff. I'm out of my league here, so I defer. It's good to hear you don't think it's all that unlikely he gets the injunction, at least.

Part of me just thinks that's how it plays out because it seems like how that would play out for Dallas. Zeke's suspended, we sneak past ATL and go into the PHI game thinking we have a shot and get clobbered. Then get in position for the WC and maybe get into the postseason with Zeke back and something to prove in a long shot playoff game v. Wentz and company. The alternative that we keep Zeke, win the next two and come down to how the two teams play out the string with the NFCE crown on the line seems rosey for long-suffering fans to accept after a steady diet of unnecessary suspensions and no holding calls going our way. :)
 

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Great stuff. I'm out of my league here, so I defer. It's good to hear you don't think it's all that unlikely he gets the injunction, at least.

Part of me just thinks that's how it plays out because it seems like how that would play out for Dallas. Zeke's suspended, we sneak past ATL and go into the PHI game thinking we have a shot and get clobbered. Then get in position for the WC and maybe get into the postseason with Zeke back and something to prove in a long shot playoff game v. Wentz and company. The alternative that we keep Zeke, win the next two and come down to how the two teams play out the string with the NFCE crown on the line seems rosey for long-suffering fans to accept after a steady diet of unnecessary suspensions and no holding calls going our way. :)

I hear you. So much that I'm actually hesitant to temper everyone's conditioned pessimism (including my own) with some cautious optimism.
 

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I hear you. So much that I'm actually hesitant to temper everyone's conditioned pessimism (including my own) with some cautious optimism.

Honestly, if Elliott is suspended but we continue to play well enough in his absence and get a WC berth, I'm happy. If the young defense continues to play like it has here very recently, we're a team that can beat anybody in their own home on any given Sunday. I don't mind going into the playoffs with Elliott back and as underdogs who travel well and who nobody wants to play. And the opportunity to go into PHI and ruin their dream season has some appeal on it's own, honestly.

As long as we somehow make the playoffs, of course.
 

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the sick, lame, and lazy term you used....is that something you made up? i ask because when i was in the military in the 80's, thats what you were called or labeled when you went to sick bay....just wondering.

Exactly it's origin...and as a NCO then, disliked a lot.
 
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