Signalgate: What is fair?

[fortdick]

I want to see what the prevailing attitude is here, so I can compare it to the Vick polls. What is the more approriate punishment for the Pats?

 

[AbeBeta]

Has to be a loss of picks. That's the only penalty serious enough. Forfeits, although more serious, are not a viable option.

 

[fortdick]

Has to be a loss of picks. That's the only penalty serious enough. Forfeits, although more serious, are not a viable option.

Forfiet! Ya see, that is what I think would be more appropriate! They won't do it because it would cause the league to set a precident.

 

[Big Dakota]

1 of their first round picks, a million $ fine and a 1 game suspension for belicheat.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Suspend Belichick 16 games and a first and third round pick, then fine the Pats $3 million.

Some may say that 16 games is to much, but he is a coach and as they did with Wade Wilson, he should be held to a much higher standard. Cheating from the highest levels within a team should be dealt with harshly. If you make an example, other teams will be far less likely to do any other type of cheating for fear of such a harsh penalty.

 

[YosemiteSam]

1 of their first round picks, a million $ fine and a 1 game suspension for belicheat.

You think cheating on that level is only worth a one game suspension? That is a slap on the wrist for a coach. The team suffers the rest of the penalty which I beleive is more than just a slap on the wrist, but isn't near as harsh as it should be.

 

[AtlCB]

Huge salary cap fine, Belichick suspended for the remainder of this season, loss of the Patriots 1st round, 4th round, and 7th round picks. They were warned. Goodell needs to send a strong message to stop teams from cheating.

 

[sacase]

Lifetime ban. Nothing less plus the loss of all draft picks in 2008. This has called in to question the integrity of the NFL and calls into question every game that has been coached under Belacheat. This is far worse than anything Vick has done.

 

[fortdick]

You think cheating on that level is only worth a one game suspension? That is a slap on the wrist for a coach. The team suffers the rest of the penalty which I beleive is more than just a slap on the wrist, but isn't near as harsh as it should be.

So you think the entire team should be punished? Maybe suspend Brady, even though he had nothing to do with it?

Again, if this was the Raiders, who would care? I mean, c'mon, teams should be sending their signals to the Raiders before every game just to make it reasonably fair.

What should they do to teams that sign players cut by their opponents just to bring them in for a scouting report? What if one team found (stole) another team's playbook? Should they give it back without looking at it?

This is about all the hate for the Pats, not about the rules.

 

[AtlCB]

So you think the entire team should be punished? Maybe suspend Brady, even though he had nothing to do with it?

Again, if this was the Raiders, who would care? I mean, c'mon, teams should be sending their signals to the Raiders before every game just to make it reasonably fair.

What should they do to teams that sign players cut by their opponents just to bring them in for a scouting report? What if one team found (stole) another team's playbook? Should they give it back without looking at it?

This is about all the hate for the Pats, not about the rules.

If you believe that the Patriots' coach is solely responsible, then a one game suspension would be even less appropriate. If he was acting on his own, I would expect a multiple year suspension for the coach. I just have a difficult time believing that the Kraft was completely ignorant about what was occurring. Kraft is also ultimately responsible for the behavior of his coaching staff.

 

[superpunk]

This is far more serious (or should be) to the NFL than fighting some dogs.

The head man (Bellichick) should get all Vick gets and more.

 

[Eddie]

Steroids = cheating.

Videotaping = cheating.

 

[THUMPER]

1. They forfeit the Jets game. Standings would then be: Jets 1-0, Pats 0-1

2. Belichick is suspended for 8 games. No contact with the team in any manner during that time.

3. The Patriots lose a day-1 draft pick. A 1st rounder if it ends up being #21 or lower or a 2nd rounder if they have a pick in the top-20.

If there is a second offense then it would result in a lifetime ban for Belichick and the forfeiture of multiple draft picks as well as a spot in the playoffs (if they earned one).

 

[fortdick]

Lifetime ban. Nothing less plus the loss of all draft picks in 2008. This has called in to question the integrity of the NFL and calls into question every game that has been coached under Belacheat. This is far worse than anything Vick has done.

:laugh1: :beer1: :toast:

Oh, you were being sarcastic, right?

 

[sacase]

:laugh1: :beer1: :toast:

Oh, you were being sarcastic, right?

No. Vick got a indefinate suspension for committing an act that gave the NFL a black eye. What Bellicheat has done is far worse for the NFL because it calls into question are the games fixed and how much cheating goes on. Also it is a clear violation of the code of conduct. This action is illegal and it was stressed this offseason. It falls along the same lines as gambling on NFL games even if you are not playing.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Well I'm thinking more like forfeit a game and a fine of $1,000,000....

 

[YosemiteSam]

So you think the entire team should be punished? Maybe suspend Brady, even though he had nothing to do with it?

YES! The *team* damn well knew what was happening! When I say team, I mean the New England Patriots, not each individual player. The problem is, you can't say since the kicker didn't know about it we are going to not punish the TEAM.

Again, if this was the Raiders, who would care? I mean, c'mon, teams should be sending their signals to the Raiders before every game just to make it reasonably fair.

I would care. What do the Raiders have to do with this? This was a team cheating, and that team was the Patriots, not the Raiders.

What should they do to teams that sign players cut by their opponents just to bring them in for a scouting report? What if one team found (stole) another team's playbook? Should they give it back without looking at it?

Your points are nothing more than psychobabble. If you are going to make points at least making something relative. It's not cheating to tell your own teammates and coaches what you know about another team. It *IS* cheating to circumvent league rules to obtain private information about another teams signals. ...and FYI. If a team is caught with another teams playbook. You can expect the same fines and penalties that you will see here if not more harsh.

This is about all the hate for the Pats, not about the rules.

Actually, I like the Patriots and have since living in New Orleans in 1985 when the Bears and the Patriots where in the SuperBowl at the New Orleans Super Dome. While I didn't have tickets (and was only around 13 years old) I was at the SuperDome during the game.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Well I'm thinking more like forfeit a game and a fine of $1,000,000....

You cannot forfeit games. The NFL is a business and business is about money. It's just not going to happen. At best, they could be ruled out of the playoffs. That is the most that they could forfeit in my opinion.

 

[cleverusername]

Well I'm thinking more like forfeit a game and a fine of $1,000,000....

 

[fortdick]

YES! The *team* damn well knew what was happening! When I say team, I mean the New England Patriots, not each individual player. The problem is, you can't say since the kicker didn't know about it we are going to not punish the TEAM.

OK, then what do you do to Mancini? He knew not only that the Pats were doing it, but how they awere doing it. Why? Because he was part of it when he was with the Pats. Prolly should suspend him because he tacitly admitted he was part of it.

Psychobabble?

I really would like to know your agenda. Your arguments can't make enough sense for me to figure it out. If you can;t understand my points, I will try smaller words.