Signing Wilson and Wagner forced Seattle to release starting defensive tackle Tony McDaniel

[xwalker]

I mean good ones. Hayden beat out those yahoos.

McClain was playing through injury all of last season and Bishop was a small college rookie.

 

[xwalker]

They're just loaded at tackle. Dallas isn't. This is a great opportunity. Seattle fans hope to re-sign him at a cheaper rate.

There's probably a waivers process that will have to happen first. Depending on the cost, the Cowboys may not get a chance at him.

We'll see.

Can someone break down the waivers process to see if there's even a possibility?

Edit: He's 30, so he probably isn't going to get more than 2-3 years from the Cowboys, and would likely want more than that.

No waivers on vested veterans until after the trade deadline.

 

[xwalker]

All Marinelli needs from his 1 tech is someone that can hold the L.O.S. and keep the guards off the LBs.
We can generate a pass rush when we need to from the 1 with subs, like asthma field said.
If we get lucky, and find a 1 tech that can do both thats a big time bonus, esp against offenses like the Eagles, where Chips fast paced offense doesnt allow you to sub very often.
Maybe McClain can be that guy.

No, that is more of a tradition 1tech role. Marinelli prefers to get some pass rush from the 1tech. Also, he requires the 1tech DT to get out in the flat and back to LB depth on plays away from him.

 

[Bluefin]

Marinelli loves Hayden for some unexplained reason.

I would love to see Bishop and McClain beat him out, but I don't see him being cut unfortunately.

There's always a chance...

This was the session wherein Joseph Randle and Lance Dunbar were able to exploit big creases created by the offensive line, often enjoying big gains before there was any contact.

On one of those, a pretty Dunbar scamper, Rod Marinelli lit into Nick Hayden, either for getting beat or for making an incorrect read. In either case, it was pretty clear that Dunbar had found room in the area where Hayden was stationed, and his coach was none too pleased. link

Not even the Golden one can escape coach Marinelli's wrath.

I'd like to see Nick Hayden get beat out, I'm really hoping Ken Bishop makes strides in year two, but at the very least it looks like Goldy will see a serious reduction in playing time if he manages to stick again.

Hayden will be near the bottom in DL snaps instead of leading the way (2013) or coming in second (2014).

Less is more, in this case.

 

[xwalker]

I know. But I won't complain if my 1 tech can put a QB on his butt every now and then.

I'm explaining why someone said sacks were irrelevant. Obviously you want to get sacks and getting pressure from the 1tech is more important to Marinelli than to some other D-Coordinators, but in regards to comparing 1techs to each other, sacks is not a good method.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Different position.

I don't get caught up in all that 1T and 3T and specialized positions. Back in the day it was just simple old-school DEs and DTs. And this year I think the parts are going to be interchanged a lot. You will see Hardy at both DE and DT. Same with Tyrone Crawford. Probably Mincey moving all around. Some others too. I think flexibility is the future for any 4-3 DL. There are so many stunts and stuff going these days.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Yes.why not?
I know what side of the ball the long snapper plays on.

You said

no matter what position they come from.

Evidently humor escapes you.

 

[Typhus]

No, that is more of a tradition 1tech role. Marinelli prefers to get some pass rush from the 1tech. Also, he requires the 1tech DT to get out in the flat and back to LB depth on plays away from him.

ya, but this team is trying to find a 1 tech without paying for a Ndamukong Suh.
When I said all Marinelli "needs", thats based off my opinion, sure he "prefers" pressure from the 1 tech, we all do.

 

[reddyuta]

where are we on the

No, that is more of a tradition 1tech role. Marinelli prefers to get some pass rush from the 1tech. Also, he requires the 1tech DT to get out in the flat and back to LB depth on plays away from him.

yes,Hayden is a pass rushing demon.how many sacks did he have last season?.he got embarassed in the playoff game but thats nothing new.

 

[Redball Express]

Cowboy fans say that Hayden didnt even play last year

Hahha..

Stop bashing my pet player, boys

 

[AmericasTeam81]

So if Hayden is the starter again this year is Marinelli stupid or do we just not have anybody better than Hayden?

 

[sureletsrace]

I don't get caught up in all that 1T and 3T and specialized positions. Back in the day it was just simple old-school DEs and DTs. And this year I think the parts are going to be interchanged a lot. You will see Hardy at both DE and DT. Same with Tyrone Crawford. Probably Mincey moving all around. Some others too. I think flexibility is the future for any 4-3 DL. There are so many stunts and stuff going these days.

I don't mean to be offensive at all, but just because you don't get all caught up in the "specialized positions", doesn't mean that NFL coaches don't. They are different types of players with different skill sets, different responsibilities, and different physical makeups.

For reference, a 1 tech is your DT that occupies blockers. Typically someone who doesn't need to have quick twitch or pass rushing ability. He's someone who creates opportunities for the guys around him. A 3 tech is your DT that needs to really be able to bring the heat on the QB, as well as play the run too. They typically are a little lighter than the 1 tech, are quicker in space, and have quick twitch muscle ability.

Now it does work differently in Marinelli's scheme, as he does want every DL to be able to provide pass rush, but if you have to have an average player on the DL, in this scheme you want it to be the 1 tech.

They can be used interchangeably, but not efficiently, unless you have two athletic freaks. That's obviously the dream, but a hard one to achieve in the salary cap NFL, and it usually comes at the expense of another position that is more valuable than the 1 tech.

Not trying to be rude, just offering up some info on the difference between the two.

 

[BAZ]

So if Hayden is the starter again this year is Marinelli stupid or do we just not have anybody better than Hayden?

It's gotta be both right? Big fan of Rod,but this i just don't get.

 

[Hardline]

You said

Evidently humor escapes you.

Sorry. I get defensive for no reason sometimes.
I apologize.

I need to learn to relax more.

 

[guag]

Bishop, McClain, Whaley,, why does everyone think Hayden is our only option.
Out of this group, I doubt Hayden even makes the team this year.

We've been saying this for like 3 offseasons now. Not only has he made the team every year, he has been the starter. I don't see him failing to make the team as long as Marinelli is the defensive coordinator.

 

[guag]

Seriously doubt that Marinelli has any confidence in a 1 tech that constantly gets washed out by powerful guards, and thats all Hayden does.

I really want to believe that Marinelli doesn't love Hayden, but I can't see it. Surely if the Cowboys were looking to replace Hayden, they would have brought in a least a few new bodies for competition? If they weren't comfortable with Hayden starting last year after McClain was injured, I feel like they would have brought in someone else to push Hayden off the roster... instead of saying "oh well, Hayden's competition is injured, so I guess he's our starter now"

There's always a chance...

Not even the Golden one can escape coach Marinelli's wrath.

I'd like to see Nick Hayden get beat out, I'm really hoping Ken Bishop makes strides in year two, but at the very least it looks like Goldy will see a serious reduction in playing time if he manages to stick again.

Hayden will be near the bottom in DL snaps instead of leading the way (2013) or coming in second (2014).

Less is more, in this case.

I hope you're right.

 

[Nightman]

We've been saying this for like 3 offseasons now. Not only has he made the team every year, he has been the starter. I don't see him failing to make the team as long as Marinelli is the defensive coordinator.

Exactly, he led the team in snaps in 2013 and was second last year.

With no production besides turning around and tackling a guy 5 yards downfield.

 

[Plankton]

Hayden was "healthy" last season, thats it.
He didnt beat out anyone else, he didnt have anyone to compete with .
I stand by my statement that Hayden wont even make this roster this year.
Seriously doubt that Marinelli has any confidence in a 1 tech that constantly gets washed out by powerful guards, and thats all Hayden does.
And thanks speed for that snipet on McClain that you posted, thats good stuff man.

Prepare to be disappointed - the coaches appear to love Hayden's effort and leadership. He'll be on the roster again.

 

[Bluefin]

If Nick Hayden gets beat out during training camp and pre-season and is among the team's final cuts, does anyone believe he'll get picked up by another team?

Or would Hayden be sitting on his coach during the season waiting for the phone to ring in the event Dallas had a DT injury and needed to make the call?

 

[conner01]

Cowboy fans say that Hayden didnt even play last year

He out played mcdaniel