Single-high safety plus man coverage

[gimmesix]

sounds good but they dont have the safety that can play the single high. Im sure they had plans for Allen to be that guy and he looked it early in camp. But we know what happened from then on.

Wilcox has that kind of athletic talent, but I'm not sure he has the instincts needed. That would be mitigated somewhat by our corners' ability to play bump and run.

 

[texbumthelife]

Never meant to say we shouldn't run compound coverages, just that our base should be single-high because that appears to best fit the strengths (and weaknesses) of the secondary and linebackers.

Oh I know. I wasn't responding to you. I was just throwing in my $.02

 

[ghst187]

Wait this insinuates we actually put a LB or a safety on the RB.... From what I've seen no one covers the RB in this defense. We just let them run around freely.

s in

the only player we've ever had that covered RB's out of the backfield was Dexter Coakley

 

[MichaelWinicki]

the only player we've ever had that covered RB's out of the backfield was Dexter Coakley

Coakley was terrific in coverage.

This whole covering the backs out of the backfield thing... It's one thing to let the back catch the ball 4 yards past the LOS and then dropping him immediately and another to catch the ball 4 yards past the LOS and scamper another 6 yards untouched... That's the problem.

 

[Plankton]

the only player we've ever had that covered RB's out of the backfield was Dexter Coakley

Back in the day, Darrin Smith was good at it.

Bruce Carter certainly has the athletic ability to be good at it. Not sure where the disconnect is with him.

 

[Future]

If you watch him specifically, you can see that he's the same player Church is. And thats not bad. He'll eventually push church to the bench or trade. But he isnt the single high center field type of Safety the Cowboys need. Wilcox is a hitter tackler defend the flats type of player.

He's a much better athlete than Church

and in a single high like the OP mentioned, he wouldn't necessarily be playing just centerfield. Most likely, he'd be over the top on the vertical TE or slot guy, and MO/Carr on the outside wouldn't be getting much help.

 

[LatinMind]

He's a much better athlete than Church

and in a single high like the OP mentioned, he wouldn't necessarily be playing just centerfield. Most likely, he'd be over the top on the vertical TE or slot guy, and MO/Carr on the outside wouldn't be getting much help.

Being a better athlete doesnt mean he's a better player. Wilcox didnt play any better than Church in any situation.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Do we Rue for Will Allen

I don't know about 'we' but I do not.

 

[Frozen700]

I don't know about 'we' but I do not.

thanks God he is gone

 

[cowboysooner]

Never meant to say we shouldn't run compound coverages, just that our base should be single-high because that appears to best fit the strengths (and weaknesses) of the secondary and linebackers.

thanks God he is gone

Single high as a base is a risky scheme to run when you have a corner that is struggling like Mo and a team that attacks seams like Garçon Moss and Robinson did against us.

 

[Future]

Being a better athlete doesnt mean he's a better player. Wilcox didnt play any better than Church in any situation.

Yea, right now he might not be a better player, but its his second game as a starter. The ceiling is much higher.

 

[links18]

Coakley was terrific in coverage.

This whole covering the backs out of the backfield thing... It's one thing to let the back catch the ball 4 yards past the LOS and then dropping him immediately and another to catch the ball 4 yards past the LOS and scamper another 6 yards untouched... That's the problem.

Three 4 yard passes to a RB equals first down.

 

[tm1119]

Both Wilcox and Church are good tacklers and fly around the field on running plays. But, wow are they both awful in coverage. Neither can cover a deep zone effectively. Our CB's will be the whipping boys all season (not that they don't deserve criticism), but in reality its hard to play CB in the NFL with no help.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Three 4 yard passes to a RB equals first down.

LOL!

Boy links... If you think in today's day and age of profootball you're going to successfully blanket all receivers all the time you're way off base.

Between 3-step drops, liberalized blocking rules, more-rigid interference rules... It simply isn't going to happen.

You have to be grateful that a 4-yard completion isn't a 20-yard completion... And it's a 1st down and not a touch down.

Especially when you're playing a HOF caliber QB with an array of weapons that is considered very good.

 

[links18]

LOL!

Boy links... If you think in today's day and age of profootball you're going to successfully blanket all receivers all the time you're way off base.

Between 3-step drops, liberalized blocking rules, more-rigid interference rules... It simply isn't going to happen.

You have to be grateful that a 4-yard completion isn't a 20-yard completion... And it's a 1st down and not a touch down.

Especially when you're playing a HOF caliber QB with an array of weapons that is considered very good.

You simply cannot ignore the RB coming out of the backfield on virtually every play. At the very least, you have to vary it up or a decent team is just going to march it down the field. Which is exactly what happened the last two weeks.

 

[gimmesix]

Single high as a base is a risky scheme to run when you have a corner that is struggling like Mo and a team that attacks seams like Garçon Moss and Robinson did against us.

The whole point is that Claiborne is better in man/bump-and-run coverage than when we use him in zone. He played a much better game against Denver and said afterward on the postgame show that the Cowboys played a lot more man coverage with the corners.

I'd rather put Claiborne, Carr and Scandrick out there on an island, with a safety slanting over to help in certain situations, than continue to play coverage where teams can just pick apart our linebackers and safeties with the tight ends and backs.

We paid a hefty price to get Claiborne and Carr, let's ask them to carry that load. Bracket the tight end (on most plays), man up on the running back (on most plays), and give over-the-top safety help to whichever corner needs it most or has the toughest matchup.

I'd rather have a team have to consistently beat one-on-one coverage by Carr, for instance, than beat one-on-one coverage by Church.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You simply cannot ignore the RB coming out of the backfield on virtually every play. At the very least, you have to vary it up or a decent team is just going to march it down the field. Which is exactly what happened the last two weeks.

I agree that you can't ignore them. But is it the scheme or the player not following his assignment?

 

[links18]

I agree that you can't ignore them. But is it the scheme or the player not following his assignment?

I don't know, but its hard to imagine a player blowing his assignment time and time again.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't know, but its hard to imagine a player blowing his assignment time and time again.

I don't think anything should surprise you with this team.

 

[gimmesix]

Good to know that Monte's reading the board.