News: Six Cap Moves The Cowboys Will Make In The 2017 Offseason

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I don't pretend to understand the details of the salary cap, I guess I'm just too lazy to try. My question though is this, isn't restructuring just kicking the can down the road? Could someone who really knows the nuances of it all explain that to me? Not trying to be confrontational, just wanna know.
 

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Which nobody here was doing. You introduced a negative, 'low road' dynamic where none existed.

It clearly exists - this information has been presented numerous times but people just now accept it?
 

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I don't pretend to understand the details of the salary cap, I guess I'm just too lazy to try. My question though is this, isn't restructuring just kicking the can down the road? Could someone who really knows the nuances of it all explain that to me? Not trying to be confrontational, just wanna know.

Kicking the can down the road is a bad characterization. The cap consistently rises. By almost 10 mill a year recently.

If you aren't taking advantage of the fact that you can use proportionally lees cap space on a deal by converting salary to bonus, then you really aren't doing things right.

Realistically, the only time you'd avoid doing that is if you planned a rebuilding year where you were pretty much going to clean house and start over
 

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Kicking the can down the road is a bad characterization. The cap consistently rises. By almost 10 mill a year recently.

If you aren't taking advantage of the fact that you can use proportionally lees cap space on a deal by converting salary to bonus, then you really aren't doing things right.

Realistically, the only time you'd avoid doing that is if you planned a rebuilding year where you were pretty much going to clean house and start over

Or if you weren't sure that you wanted to stay in a long term contract with a particular player. This is the factor that continues to be minimized and overlooked. Accounting is one thing. Flexibility is another. You gain short term cap space at the expense of long term commitment.

Take Dez Bryant's contract. Left alone, the team gains the option of terminating the deal if they wanted to. Reworking it may save money today, but it makes walking away from the deal if things were to go bad, much more problematic.

There's a tradeoff.
 

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Kicking the can down the road is a bad characterization. The cap consistently rises. By almost 10 mill a year recently.

If you aren't taking advantage of the fact that you can use proportionally lees cap space on a deal by converting salary to bonus, then you really aren't doing things right.

Realistically, the only time you'd avoid doing that is if you planned a rebuilding year where you were pretty much going to clean house and start over

Thanks for the reply, that clarifies it for me.
 

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I don't pretend to understand the details of the salary cap, I guess I'm just too lazy to try. My question though is this, isn't restructuring just kicking the can down the road? Could someone who really knows the nuances of it all explain that to me? Not trying to be confrontational, just wanna know.

Some do refer to it as 'kicking the can down the road.'

When a player signs a new contract or gets restructured, he receives a signing bonus. The bonus is considered to be paid at the time of signing/restructuring, even though it can actually be paid out over several years. These bonuses can count against the salary cap for a period of up to five years.

If a players signs a six year deal with a $10M signing bonus, the bonus will count $2M against the cap over the first five years of the deal. The final year of the contract doesn't have any prorated bonus money in it. The bonus proration, yearly salary and any workout bonuses or other incentives all add up together to give a player's yearly cap charge.

2017: $1m base salary, $2M signing bonus = $3M cap hit
2018: $11M base salary, $2M signing bonus = $13M cap hit
2019: $5M base salary, $2M signing bonus = $7M cap hit
2020: $7M base salary, $2M signing bonus = $9M cap hit
2021: $9M base salary, $2M signing bonus = $11M cap hit
2022: $12M base salary, $0M signing bonus = $12M cap hit

If the player has a large base salary in year two of his contract, the team could opt to turn the majority of the salary into another signing bonus in order to reduce the cap hit in the second season.

In this case, the 2018 base salary will drop to $1M with the remaining $10M being converted to signing bonus.

2018: $1M base salary, $4M signing bonus = $5M cap hit
2019: $5M base salary, $4M signing bonus = $9M cap hit
2020: $7M base salary, $4M signing bonus = $11M cap hit
2021: $9M base salary, $4M signing bonus = $13M cap hit
2022: $12M base salary, $2M signing bonus = $14M cap hit

The restructure in 2018 creates $8M in salary cap space that season. That money is added to the remaining years of the contract in equal $2M amounts.

If the player gets released or traded before the end of the contract, any remaining bonus proration will accelerate into that season. This is what's known as 'dead money.'

It isn't money owed to the player, it's just salary cap space that is unavailable because of what he was paid in the past and how it was assigned to the salary cap.

There would be $10M in dead money in 2020 if the player was released/traded. It would be $6M in dead money if it happened in 2021 and only $2M in dead money if it took place in 2022.

The team would be looking at only $1M in cap savings in 2020 and that doesn't include the cost of a new player replacing the old one. The savings would rise to $7M if it happened in 2021 and $12M in 2022.

The player would be safe in 2017, '18 and '19.

2020 could go either way, but the team would likely use the June designation to avoid taking the entire dead money hit if they released the player. The saving would not count against the salary cap until June 2nd, but only that season's regular proration of $4M would go against the cap. The remaining $6M in dead money would hit the 2021 cap the following season.

Over the cap has a guide to the salary cap that you can read.
 

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Thanks for the reply, that clarifies it for me.
There is ZERO harm in converting the salary and "kicking it down the road"....... but a better term is borrowing future cap space on a zero interest loan

It is always smarter to pay less when the cap is smaller and more when the cap is higher......if a player is going to be on your roster you should lower his cap......it is better to have the cap space and not use it than to need it and not being able to create it........with roll-over any harm in creating space is negated

No one is advocated wasting this space on frivolous spending though...you still have to pay the right players.....but Rule #1 is do not listen to fans that warn restructuring makes it harder to cut players later......Dead money plays no part in the decision to keep a player or not
 

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Typical for any new deal. Without looking, I can be pretty sure thats all guaranteed. Guaranteed money like that always means a planned restructure
That is why TCrawford should be restructures as well.......his 7.25m contract guarantees March 13th ........keep him and restructure and save the 5m.....same with Dez.......it doesn't do us any good taking a 17m hit on Dez this year when we will be 50m under next year
 

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Doug Free
Three things are clear. Doug Free is aging. Chaz Green is good but often injured. $5 million is too much for Doug Free to make in 2017. Whether Green takes over the starting role or not, Free’s leadership and veteran savvy in addition to his demonstrated ability to play both left and right sides of the line make him a valuable asset as his career winds down. I would extend Free for two years at vet minimum and convert his $5 million 2017 salary into signing bonus.

2017 — $18.1 million under
2018 — $47.9 million under

Hell no.

No extension.

I don't know if Doug Free will be asked to take a pay cut this off-season and face open competition from Chaz Green for the starting RT job or not. However, if Green gets healthy and wins the job, Free will almost certainly be asked to take a pay cut or get released before the regular season begins.

Free has value to the team, but he's no longer an option to play LT, even as a reserve. Those days are past.

Emmett Cleary would play LT before the team turned to Free, La'el Collins could also be moved outside in a pinch during a game.

The Cowboys need to add another OT.
 

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Hell no.

No extension.

I don't know if Doug Free will be asked to take a pay cut this off-season and face open competition from Chaz Green for the starting RT job or not. However, if Green gets healthy and wins the job, Free will almost certainly be asked to take a pay cut or get released before the regular season begins.

Free has value to the team, but he's no longer an option to play LT, even as a reserve. Those days are past.

Emmett Cleary would play LT before the team turned to Free, La'el Collins could also be moved outside in a pinch during a game.

The Cowboys need to add another OT.
100%.... I would cut Free and roll with Green, Cleary and a draft pick......if no one signs Free he can come back for depth at the min.
 

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100%.... I would cut Free and roll with Green, Cleary and a draft pick......if no one signs Free he can come back for depth at the min.

I've gone back and forth on it.

Doug Free would be on extremely shaky ground if Chaz Green had managed to stay healthy, Stephen Jones expected the Gator to push to start last season.

If the team expects Green to make that push this year, taking a pay cut will probably be broached with Free and his rep. The last time it happened, Free accepted the drop in pay by having the reduced base salaries become guaranteed, thus ensuring he wouldn't get released.

I'd be willing to guarantee Free's '17 base salary if he agreed to reduce it from $5M to something like $2.5M.

He'd probably like a year added to the deal, but I would not do that.
 

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I've gone back and forth on it.

Doug Free would be on extremely shaky ground if Chaz Green had managed to stay healthy, Stephen Jones expected the Gator to push to start last season.

If the team expects Green to make that push this year, taking a pay cut will probably be broached with Free and his rep. The last time it happened, Free accepted the drop in pay by having the reduced base salaries become guaranteed, thus ensuring he wouldn't get released.

I'd be willing to guarantee Free's '17 base salary if he agreed to reduce it from $5M to something like $2.5M.

He'd probably like a year added to the deal, but I would not do that.
I would just cut him......let him test his wares on the open market....Green and Cleary can handle the job for 1/10th the cost
 

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But it's not here! It's not being brought up here in this thread until he did it!

I guess this point escaped not only him, but you as well.

Ya sorry Stash I misread what you said. I deleted the post when I realized but apparently too late for you to reply.

Sorry my man. My bad.
 

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Ya sorry Stash I misread what you said. I deleted the post when I realized but apparently too late for you to reply.

Sorry my man. My bad.

No need to be sorry, I'm just glad that you understood where I was coming from.
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I would just cut him......let him test his wares on the open market....Green and Cleary can handle the job for 1/10th the cost

Very understandable.

I really want to see Chaz Green step up and take the job, but even if he does, the injury history would still be a concern. Emmett Cleary seems to have some upside, but he's the type I always want to improve upon.

We'll have to see who else is added during the off-season. Maybe a cheap veteran free agent who gets cut or a draft pick.

Right now, I'd take all of them to camp and see what happens.
 

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That is why TCrawford should be restructures as well.......his 7.25m contract guarantees March 13th ........keep him and restructure and save the 5m.....same with Dez.......it doesn't do us any good taking a 17m hit on Dez this year when we will be 50m under next year

Dez is largely designed to restructure. It will be interesting to see how that's handled. He has underperformed since signing the deal, so we might want to take the hit now and allow flexibility in 18. It has to be the case that if he's hurt again that we can't have him here with a big cap hit in the 4th year of the deal

Tyrone's deal is more a take a paycut since you haven't earned it or leave thing.
 

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Dez is largely designed to restructure. It will be interesting to see how that's handled. He has underperformed since signing the deal, so we might want to take the hit now and allow flexibility in 18. It has to be the case that if he's hurt again that we can't have him here with a big cap hit in the 4th year of the deal

Tyrone's deal is more a take a paycut since you haven't earned it or leave thing.
0% chance TCrawford is even asked to take a paycut......this is Year 2 of his deal and he was top 15 in QB pressures last year

Dez is a lifer....he is a Cowboy, like or not, forever....knock down his ridiculous 17m cap hit and move on to the next guy
 

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Dez is largely designed to restructure. It will be interesting to see how that's handled. He has underperformed since signing the deal, so we might want to take the hit now and allow flexibility in 18. It has to be the case that if he's hurt again that we can't have him here with a big cap hit in the 4th year of the deal

Tyrone's deal is more a take a paycut since you haven't earned it or leave thing.

I'm without you on both counts here.

I'd rather the team leave themselves the flexibility to get out of underperforming deals rather than continuing to be stuck with them. Crawford has obviously underperformed his, and Dez is pretty close. If I'm going to restructure, let it be with the Pro Bowl offensive linemen I have little to no worries about.
 
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