News: Six Cap Moves The Cowboys Will Make In The 2017 Offseason

[Floatyworm]

I quit readng after.... "extend Doug Free 2 years"...

I guess Jim Scott only writes for Blogging the Boys instead of actually watching games....

 

[Stash]

Everyone overpays in free agency you're right. But you're either able to offer a market rate contract to a player or you are not. You're able to be offering enough to be in the conversation or you're not. Players also don't always take the absolute biggest deal possible. The fact of the matter is we can be legitimately in any conversation with any free agent in the market. This is fact. Not opinion. Not really interested in debating these facts any further.



I'm similarly disinterested in debating your alternative facts.

Now I'm seeing qualifiers. It's quite a different thing to "be legitimately in any conversation with any free agent in the market" to "we can do whatever we want". If the team wanted to make a big money free agent signing, sure they could do that. But that's not "anything we want.

Ahhh so we arrive at the truth. Befor eyou said Crawford costs this team $10mm. Now you arrive at the correct number of $6mm. How big a difference is being 40% too high in your original claim between friends?

My position hasn't changed. But unlike you, I don't try to sweep the bonus money under the rug. And how is $6 million "the correct number"? Where's that at? Before you get caught up in trying to lecture someone else, make sure that you have your act together yourself. You end up looking pretty stupid otherwise.

If you want to do a 3 year average of his cap allocated cost you arrive at under $5mm per. And next year we'd actually save money releasing Crawford.

Who cares about "next year"? When you still have to suffer through yet another year of overpaying and then figuring out what to actually do with the guy?

Pointing to Crawford as some type of albatross of a contract and/or player shows that you don't understand how we structure deals and you don't understand how we value players. Crawford is neither expensive off the field nor a bad player on it.

You're embarrassing yourself again.

No, I'm embarrassing you. And the rest of the self-professed know-it-alls who think they're smarter than they actually are and don't have the sense to know a bad deal when they see one.


But, carry on. And tell everyone about that "$6 million" again...

 

[Nightman]

Now I'm seeing qualifiers. It's quite a different thing to "be legitimately in any conversation with any free agent in the market" to "we can do whatever we want". If the team wanted to make a big money free agent signing, sure they could do that. But that's not "anything we want.




My position hasn't changed. But unlike you, I don't try to sweep the bonus money under the rug. And how is $6 million "the correct number"? Where's that at? Before you get caught up in trying to lecture someone else, make sure that you have your act together yourself. You end up looking pretty stupid otherwise.



Who cares about "next year"? When you still have to suffer through yet another year of overpaying and then figuring out what to actually do with the guy?



No, I'm embarrassing you. And the rest of the self-professed know-it-alls who think they're smarter than they actually are and don't have the sense to know a bad deal when they see one.


But, carry on. And tell everyone about that "$6 million" again...

His cap number is whatever they make it........you want it to be 10.3m to help your case

But if it is 5.5m then it destroys your case........his last 2 cap hits were 2.8m and 4.3m....so when you say he isn't worth 10m a year that is the biggest strawman ever created

and I'm not smarter than everyone.........I learned 90% from Adam and OTC....... but I am smarter than you about the cap and player evaluations

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Now I'm seeing qualifiers. It's quite a different thing to "be legitimately in any conversation with any free agent in the market" to "we can do whatever we want". If the team wanted to make a big money free agent signing, sure they could do that. But that's not "anything we want.

Well of course there are qualifiers. You only control one half of the free agent equation. Sometimes offering the most money doesn't even get you the player. We see that every offseason. As I said we can offer a market rate contract to any free agent we want. It's often wise not to do so. It's entirely different to say we cannot do so.

My position hasn't changed. But unlike you, I don't try to sweep the bonus money under the rug. And how is $6 million "the correct number"? Where's that at? Before you get caught up in trying to lecture someone else, make sure that you have your act together yourself. You end up looking pretty stupid otherwise.

I'm always happy to have my numbers scrutinized. And I did look at the wrong column. His true cost this year is his base salary of $7.25mm. So you were only off by 30% not 40%.

But if we try and make an apples to apples comparison using just cap hits you're still off by 40%.

Now a true 3 year accounting would be as follows. And oh by the way this is closer to how NFL teams view this rather than the year to year chicanery you're purporting.

His 2015 cap hit was $2,828,813
His 2016 cap hit was $4,350,000
His 2017 cap hit is $10,350,000

That's a 3 year average cost of $5.8mm. There is that $6mm you wanted so badly.

Considering he led our team in pressures this year...i'm not miffed at all with that number. Why are you? Especially when his contract is nto an impediment in offering any free agent a market rate contract should we feel the desire to do so?

Who cares about "next year"? When you still have to suffer through yet another year of iverpaying and then figuring out what to actually do with the guy?

"Who cares about next year" said no GM of any NFL team ever. You're embarrassing yoruself.

But, carry on. And tell everyone about that "$6 million" again...

This is painful to watch.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

His cap number is whatever they make it........you want it to be 10.3m to help your case

But if it is 5.5m then it destroys your case........his last 2 cap hits were 2.8m and 4.6m....so when you say he isn't worth 10m a year that is the biggest strawman ever created

and I'm not smarter than everyone.........I learned 90% from Adam and OTC....... but I am smarter than you about the cap and player evaluations

That about sums it up. He is being intentionally misleading to try and prove a point.

 

[Nightman]

It was two years.

And it is completely obvious from the contract structure - 2017 is the year that dead cap matches the cap hit to keep him - that we absolutely intended the deal to work like this.

He's had two years to justify the salary. Now we can cut him with little consequence for the cap. This is exactly the sort of situation where you ask the player to take a cut.

I expect we'll see his base cut in half and guaranteed - possibly for both 17&18.

He was already under contract for 2015 at 675k when they extended him......the 17m would only cover 2016 if they cut him and that is nowhere near the plan.......the plan is for him to play out the entire deal.....his salary is 6m next year and 7m next....it doesn't escalate dramatically like it would for a 1-2 year deal

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Cleveland didn't give him a carry either. He might just not be as good as people expect.

Tough to come in, as a small school Rookie and pick up a Pro Offense in the middle of a season. I mean, you may be right but I don't think we can go by how many carries he had in Cleveland last year. We will know better this next season IMO.

 

[Stash]

I'm always happy to have my numbers scrutinized. And I did look at the wrong column. His true cost this year is his base salary of $7.25mm. So you were only off by 30% not 40%. I apologize.

As expected. Ignorant enough to attack someone else while not knowing what the **** you're talking about yourself.

Glad it's now public knowledge.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

As expected. Ignorant enough to attack someone else while not knowing what the **** you're talking about yourself.

Glad it's now public knowledge.

Wait. You're going to ignore the entire post? I conflatted your meaningless sole focus on 1 year cap numbers to my more holistic approach toa 3 year number. I then said if you want to be myopic you should look at his base salary for a true 1 year cost given it is what is guaranteed.

But it's quite obvious that in all I posted if this is your sole response....well...when a dog has his tail between his legs and runs off...it's cruel to still shoot him. I'll let the readers decide who to listen to going forward.

 

[Stash]

His cap number is whatever they make it........you want it to be 10.3m to help your case

I mention it because it's the total cost of the player. Salary, signing bonus, restructure bonus - everything. And I use the term total so that people know the difference. Unlike you, I'm not hiding anything or trying to wish away money already paid to him as "sunk cost" as if it somehow doesn't count.

But if it is 5.5m then it destroys your case........his last 2 cap hits were 2.8m and 4.3m....so when you say he isn't worth 10m a year that is the biggest strawman ever created

Yiunlet me know when it's "5.5 million" and then we'll talk. It isn't so why do you bring it up?

and I'm not smarter than everyone.........I learned 90% from Adam and OTC....... but I am smarter than you about the cap and player evaluations

Not when you're defending deals like Tyrone Crawford you're not. Tell yourself whatever ******** you need to to try to justify that awful deal, but spare the rest of us.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Tough to come in, as a small school Rookie and pick up a Pro Offense in the middle of a season. I mean, you may be right but I don't think we can go by how many carries he had in Cleveland last year. We will know better this next season IMO.

Can't be worried about a late round runningback. Any average back will look pretty good in our offense. Especially if we are talking a backup role for 5 carries a game. I mean you see how this board howls anytime Zeke is off the field.

 

[Nightman]

Considering he led our team in pressures this year...i'm not miffed at all with that number. Why are you? Especially when his contract is nto an impediment in offering any free agent a market rate contract should we feel the desire to do so?

That is the key....no one wants to admit the cap has gone up 45m+ since 2013...that is huge

TCrawford is only 7th on the team right now, before any restructures......DAL usually restructures all guaranteed contracts.......they skipped Dez last year but I think they down his 17m number this year

Either way how far under the cap do fans want to be.....being 50m under that cap regularly is just not trying to win.....choosing profits over victories......DAL plays the fine line pretty well imo....in fact I wish they spent a bit more

Next year we will start off 40m under the cap and these threads will turn into JJ Watt, Antonio Brown and Eric Berry trade threads to spend all the money

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I mention it because it's the total cost of the player. Salary, signing bonus, restructure bonus - everything. And I use the term total so that people know the difference. Unlike you, I'm not hiding anything or trying to wish away money already paid to him as "sunk cost" as if it somehow doesn't count.

That's not how you should look at any individual year. Unless of course you were talking about how cheap Crawford was in prior years. You can't ignore that and then talk about how expensive he is now. That would be....stupid.

Don't be stupid.[/QUOTE]

 

[Stash]

Wait. You're going to ignore the entire post? I conflatted your meaningless sole focus on 1 year cap numbers to my more holistic approach toa 3 year number. I then said if you want to be myopic you should look at his base salary for a true 1 year cost given it is what is guaranteed.

But it's quite obvious that in all I posted if this is your sole response....well...when a dog has his tail between his legs and runs off...it's cruel to still shoot him. I'll let the readers decide who to listen to going forward.

And when a person is completely ignorant of what's actually happening, there's little chance that they'll suddenly 'get it'.

I find it hilarious that you try to attack me for not knowing what I'm talking about while throwing out terms like "$6 million", showing everyone that it is in fact you that doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.

I'm glad it's recorded here for posterity. And "the readers" can clearly see it for themselves.


I see who still doesn't have the common sense to "tuck tail" after that one.

 

[gimmesix]

I still scratch my head at cutting RB Jackson less than a year after using a draft pick on him but keeping not one but two largely washed up RBs on the roster that cost twice as much plus Dunbar who we also didn't end up using anyway. Seems like it would've made tons more sense to go with the younger cheaper option for at least one of those four RB spots. Maybe the guy was a turd or something but I never understood it.

After being claimed by Cleveland, Jackson did not see any game action while Dunbar, McFadden and Morris each played for Dallas. So, it appears that Dallas thought more of them than anyone has thought of Jackson so far, and while he's younger and cheaper, the jury is still out on whether he'll ever be an NFL option.

I don't like wasting a draft pick on a player you let go in his first year, but it happens all the time and not because a player is a "turd or something." It's questionable at this point if he's good enough to contribute at this level. If he turns out to be a Jimmy Smith, then we can lament his loss.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Can't be worried about a late round runningback. Any average back will look pretty good in our offense. Especially if we are talking a backup role for 5 carries a game. I mean you see how this board howls anytime Zeke is off the field.

I don't think I agree with this. I mean, it may be true that we can just bring in anybody but that doesn't really change the fact that we let go a younger, cheaper back with some talent, in favor of two older, more expensive backs and one guy we really didn't use.

I think I agree with the original poster on that. The good news is that this is a deep draft for RBs so there should be some opportunity to bring in a guy, if we want to but, it's still a waist of resoucres, in so far as how we handled that particular situation IMO.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

And when a person is completely ignorant of what's actually happening, there's little chance that they'll suddenly 'get it'.

I find it hilarious that you try to attack me for not knowing what I'm talking about while throwing out terms like "$6 million", showing everyone that it is in fact you that doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.

I'm glad it's recorded here for posterity. And "the readers" can clearly see it for themselves.


I see who still doesn't have the common sense to "tuck tail" after that one.

I ran through the numbers. his 3 year cap hit average is just below $6mm. His cost to the team this year is $7mm. Notice nowhere in this post does $10mm fit in.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I don't think I agree with this. I mean, it may be true that we can just bring in anybody but that doesn't really change the fact that we let go a younger, cheaper back with some talent, in favor of two older, more expensive backs and one guy we really didn't use.

I think I agree with the original poster on that. The good news is that this is a deep draft for RBs so there should be some opportunity to bring in a guy, if we want to but, it's still a waist of resoucres, in so far as how we handled that particular situation IMO.

He is certainly younger and cheaper and hey we all love his measurables. But we are talking about a healthy player that lasted into the 6th round of the NFL draft and hasn't convinced two teams to give him a carry in a game that matters. While I wish he was the Lance Dunbar/Alfred Morris/Dmac all rolled into one....I just can't get worked up over losing him. And I actually didn't want him cut for the same reasons as everyone else.

But RBs are a dime a dozen. There is almost always a "deep class" of RBs. And there are always a ton available late. Because they are running backs.

 

[gimmesix]

That is pretty hard to believe. Fredbeard? He wouldn't have been my first guess.

He's the most recent to receive an extension, so his "first year" is going to be inflated since it's designed to be restructured, much like Tyron Smith's was.

Smith had a $10 million base salary last year, but Dallas lowered his salary to $1 million and converted the rest into bonus to create $7.2 million in cap space. In 2015, the Cowboys converted $10.2 million of his $11.039 base salary into bonus, opening up $8 million in cap space.

These built-in restructures for long-term starters is what Dallas salary structure is all about these days.

 

[Stash]

I ran through the numbers. his 3 year cap hit average is just below $6mm. His cost to the team this year is $7mm. Notice nowhere in this post does $10mm fit in.

That would be the figure at the end of the row, second column from the end. His total cap hit.

I can see why that gives you trouble as you have a well-established issue with keep your rows and columns straight.



Tell us all again about that "$6 million" figure.